Tell me your brooklyn butch stories

"I hope you didn't get out of line with him. He clears out entire bars." What an odd thing to be the very first aspect of you that people remember.

Weird ain't it. Some guys absolutely LIVE to have that rep and to have people think of them in that way. I guess we all gotta have our own "thing".
 
I played out of The Golden Cue outside of Los Angeles and would take a trip to one of the pools rooms in Los Angeles from time to time.

I was in a pool room on Wilshire Blvd playing this guy some $5 snooker.
Someone who knew me came in and asked what I was doing. I told him we were playing $5 a game and I was three games up. He told me I was playing Brooklyn Butch and he was liable to knock me out and turn the table over on me if he thought I was hustling him.

We broke even and have been friends ever since.

I told this story to a guy named Larry Corrado from New York who played at the 7/11 and now played at the Golden Cue. He told me Butch was the bouncer at the 7/11 and it was one of the toughest rooms in New York.

John,

Was the "Golden Cue" was it a room on Sherman Way in Reseda?

Chris
 
Butch used to hang out in Hollywood at the Billiard Den in the 1970's. Cuban Joe, Crazy Bruce, Gene the Mechanic, a guy named George, they were all regulars. I came in when I could and always got a game there.

I got to know him a little there. He was actually a friendly guy, loved to talk, and a friend to pool players, but an enemy to smack talking rail birds. He more or less befriended me. I knew he liked to come off as a tough guy, but I actually found him to be intelligent and quite pleasant.

I don't know how Butch plays - we never played. My assumption was that he was a good "B" player but he liked hanging around players and gambling cheap, etc.

Butch was like a character in a movie. He reminded me a lot of "Sach" in the Bowery Boys movies.

Anyway, I was dating a girl who lived in a run-down apartment house near Highland and Franklin. Hollywood was kind of a nasty place in the 1970's. There were hookers, drugs, and a lot of street life types right in that area.

One night I was leaving her apartment late, when this creepy looking druggie guy comes through the apartment area. I see Butch charge up and I say "Butch". He does a double-take and says "Hi Chris. I'm the manager here, excuse me." then he proceeds to chase down the guy and in the booming voice says "don't let me see you here again". The guy says "oh yeah? Who are you?" . His mouth opened about a foot wide, he charged forward and booms "I'm from Brooklyn, where you have to be tough. I'm Butch, that's who I am!". That loud voice would scare the crap out of anyone.

That was it - the guy took off running. Butch turns to me and laughs.

Anyway, I always found Butch to be a perfect gentleman and I like him. I ran into him a few years ago and he called me a few times. It was fun to catch up.

Chris

Butch lived in that building with his first wife and son for several years, before buying a house in the Valley. I visited him there a few times.
 
John,

Was the "Golden Cue" was it a room on Sherman Way in Reseda?

Chris

The Golden Cue was in El Monte. "Hustler's Paradise" would have been a better name for it. Just a few of the regulars and semi regulars - Popcorn (the man in charge), Philly Joe Veasey, Alibi Al, Ray Booth, Eddie "The Hat" Burton, Fat Harley, California Buttermilk, Don Watson, Mike Massey and Larry Lisciotti.
 
Butch has been helping me out lately, house sitting for me when Im gone on extended trips. I had a home burglary in December (actually they stole my bike off the patio, which is in a secure area), when I was in England for the Mosconi Cup.

He happens to be an amazing craftsman with all kinds of wood, and has taken it upon himself to fix up my garage area with shelves and cabinets. Most people who have known Butch for years have no idea of his expertise in other areas besides pugilism. He IS a fight expert though, and loves to watch the fights on TV. He can almost always pick the winner prior to the fight. He called the Mosley-Paquiao fight to a tee. Mosley would run run run he said, and he did.
 
OK. I announced on 12-23-2009 that I would meet Butch and on 12-15-11, I did (amazing what one can do when one puts their mind to something).

Butch is a great guy, smart and friendly with great stories.


Butch explained to me that I was mis-pronouncing tush hog and I realized that was one of the those terms you have read but never heard or said before. I figured it was "tush" like your butt, because a tush-hog was a guy who covered your butt. Wrong!

I'm ready for more Brooklyn Butch stories (please!).

Kevin
 
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OK. I announced on 12-23-2009 that I would meet Butch and on 12-15-11, I did (amazing what one can do when one puts their mind to something).

Butch is a great guy, smart and friendly with great stories.


Butch explained to me that I was mis-pronouncing tush hog and I realized that was one of the those terms you have read but never heard or said before. I figured it was "tush" like your butt, because a tush-hog was a guy who covered your butt. Wrong!

I'm ready for more Brooklyn Butch stories (please!).

Kevin

I figured tush was pronounced like "push". Right?
 
Tush like hush.

I figured tush was pronounced like "push". Right?

Jim you are prounouncing it like the yiddish word for ass, "tush." (push)
Tush (hog) is pronounced like, hush.
It comes from tusk-hog, a smelly, mean wild pig.

Beard
 
I figured tush was pronounced like "push". Right?

I used to. I thought it was tush (like push) because the guy watched your ass. But as Freddie points out, its a Southern word that was derived from a kind of feral pig. I'm so glad Butch didn't hit me.

Thanks

Kevin
 
An other variation

I used to. I thought it was tush (like push) because the guy watched your ass. But as Freddie points out, its a Southern word that was derived from a kind of feral pig. I'm so glad Butch didn't hit me.

Thanks

Kevin

Another supposed history of the word was associated with "touch" hog, meaning somebody who liked to put their hands on people.

Beard
 
Brooklyn butch

I met Brooklyn butch a couple of years ago.

I really enjoyed the few times we have talked.

He was usually dressed to the nines - super sharp.

At one time he was talking about moving to Panama (I think).

He is a real cool guy. Very intelligent with a good sense of humor.

I hope to see him again.

Mark Griffin
 
I've met Butch several times and never had any problems with him that I know of. I think his stories are incredible and he is a riot to listen to.

But I was recently told that he can't stand me. I have no idea why this is, but I guess I did something in the past that he didn't like. Ah well...he isn't the first person I've met that doesn't like me...and he won't be the last :)

Melissa
 
I've met Butch several times and never had any problems with him that I know of. I think his stories are incredible and he is a riot to listen to.

But I was recently told that he can't stand me. I have no idea why this is, but I guess I did something in the past that he didn't like. Ah well...he isn't the first person I've met that doesn't like me...and he won't be the last :)

Melissa

It was probably that 6 pack you ran on him. That tends to put people off!

Chris

Seriously, though, people can be difficult to understand at times. Best wishes and hope you have a nice Christmas!
 
I've met Butch several times and never had any problems with him that I know of. I think his stories are incredible and he is a riot to listen to.

But I was recently told that he can't stand me. I have no idea why this is, but I guess I did something in the past that he didn't like. Ah well...he isn't the first person I've met that doesn't like me...and he won't be the last :)

Melissa

Melissa

I really take it with a grain of salt when someone takes the time out of their lives to inform me that someone else doesn't like me. I always end up wondering about the motivation of the person relaying the negative info.

Have great holidays

Kevin
 
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Melissa

I really take it with a grain of salt when someone takes the time out of their lives to inform me that someone else doesn't like me. I always end up wondering about the motivation of the person relaying the negative info.

Have great holidays

Kevin

I hear what you're saying...but the person who passed the info along is a long-time friend with no ulterior motives or intentions. He simply thought it was hilarious how much Butch doesn't like me (considering that Butch didn't give him a reason...just said he coudn't stand me). I have to admit...I find it a little amusing too since I don't recall ever having any issues with Butch. Ah well...like I said before...he ain't the first person who I've rubbed the wrong way somehow! I make no apologies for it :D

Melissa
 
I hear what you're saying...but the person who passed the info along is a long-time friend with no ulterior motives or intentions. He simply thought it was hilarious how much Butch doesn't like me (considering that Butch didn't give him a reason...just said he coudn't stand me). I have to admit...I find it a little amusing too since I don't recall ever having any issues with Butch. Ah well...like I said before...he ain't the first person who I've rubbed the wrong way somehow! I make no apologies for it :D

Melissa

Melissa

I hear what you are saying and really you can't go through life worrying about or altering your behavior out of avoiding what some folks might or might not feel. All I'm saying, is when some 3rd party is "being my friend" by passing info like that on to me, the first question I always ask myself is, "how is my life enhanced by knowing this stuff?".

Knowing Butch the little I do, I would guess that your friend misinterpreted what Butch said, he's more than a little "in your face" at times and really is mostly having his own brand of fun.

Anyway, all the best.

Kevin
 
Nobody willing to tell me a 1st hand Brooklyn Butch story? No "there I was in 7 -11 when a guy walked up to Butch........." stories?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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