What you are describing is a shark, not a nit although he may very well be a nit also.
Without a name it is hard to compile a list.
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What you are describing is a shark, not a nit although he may very well be a nit also.
Without a name it is hard to compile a list.
Lee
There is absolutely no way I would have forfeited a match, or even a single game to someone like that. All that does is reinforce his actions. If he didn't come back to the table after being told by the desk, I would have sat there until they booted him. I am like Mark Griffin, and try to avoid all the confrontational stuff I can, but this would have pushed the limits.
There is absolutely no way I would have forfeited a match, or even a single game to someone like that. All that does is reinforce his actions. If he didn't come back to the table after being told by the desk, I would have sat there until they booted him. I am like Mark Griffin, and try to avoid all the confrontational stuff I can, but this would have pushed the limits.
thanks for the vocab lesson
Ah, now we know something,Lee.
In a perfect world, your opponent should be lifting the rack....but whoever
is doing it can't be called on a foul...you have temporary status as a ref
when you are doing this.
Funny, back in the action days, the non-striker did all the fielding.
Now, since tournaments have become popular, I've seen players make
the nine off the break and fly the cue-ball off the table....their reaction?
...they sit down while the in-coming shooter has to fetch the cue-ball
and spot the nine.
A lot of those old-time hustlers had more class than modern 'pros'.
And people that acted like 'nits' got very little action...and most of that
was bad.
No offense Mark, but how many frickin decades has this been going on and not addressed. It's always the same lame soft excuses. You have no problem charging players up the ass to attend certain events of yours, but you just aint gonna go an extra step to make sure players don't end up in situations like this that make it somewhat of a nightmare for players who attend, all the while making sure you suck up to certain ones for reasons I can only imagine. Half ass. .
Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.
Canwin
Well then, Jay Helfer is a self described NIT. His words, not mine.
He also displays the unavoidable conflict of interest in many ways at tournaments. . true story!
Canwin
It is impossible to run a tournament flawlessly unless all the players act
in good faith.
So put yourself in Mark's shoes...I doubt anyone can do better.
People are people..even the ones who run governments can be rowdy.
..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...most-come-to-blows-over-Syria-on-live-TV.html
You can't get more off topic then this. You're rambling on about apparently some beef you have with Mark, but Mark runs a tight ship and Bill even tighter. I've been here this whole tourney and there's no favoritism to anyone.
Man sometimes this shit is just too much.
Mark has done a lot of good things for pool.
Like someone else said, ain't sure what your beef is with Mark. He came on here and told Lee he should have got an official to handle it. He has been more active in promoting, and making positive changes in this sport than anyone else around.
Like someone else said, ain't sure what your beef is with Mark. He came on here and told Lee he should have got an official to handle it. He has been more active in promoting, and making positive changes in this sport than anyone else around.
RBC
Deceased
Canwin
I've played in many events. Events put on by Mark and by others.
I've seen a few situations like this and they all have one common denominator, a bad person. How do you go about blaming the tournament for the bad actions of a player. At what time does self responsibility go out the window our actions now become the responsibility of the tournament.
I'm on the tournament side here, but I'd be happy to discuss it in further detail.
Lets start by knowing who we are discussing this with. My name is Royce Bunnell, and I'm from Dallas Texas. I play in many leagues and have played in many events, although not as much lately as work has been keeping me busy.
Tell me who you are, other than Canwin, and I'd be happy to hear your side of the story, as well as give you mine. No fights, just a good discussion for the betterment of pool.
All I want is to make pool better.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
I've played in many events. Events put on by Mark and by others.
I've seen a few situations like this and they all have one common denominator, a bad person. How do you go about blaming the tournament for the bad actions of a player. At what time does self responsibility go out the window our actions now become the responsibility of the tournament.
I'm on the tournament side here, but I'd be happy to discuss it in further detail.
Lets start by knowing who we are discussing this with. My name is Royce Bunnell, and I'm from Dallas Texas. I play in many leagues and have played in many events, although not as much lately as work has been keeping me busy.
Tell me who you are, other than Canwin, and I'd be happy to hear your side of the story, as well as give you mine. No fights, just a good discussion for the betterment of pool.
All I want is to make pool better.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
They are like cocker roaches. Where there is one, there is more.
I was at the USBTC for all the events and I can say this tournament as well as other ones run by csi are the best run tounaments around. The event Lee is talking about was during the WPPA shootout held at the same time.
Mark and his staff do a great job, it was in world ppa, and Bob handled it very well. The staff from bad boys said they would of thrown the guy out. So they are spot on in not letting things like this happen again in tournaments, they have done a great job.
Mark,
Was great meeting you finally at DCC... With that said I'll move on to my thoughts in regards to player actions...
I think we have all had areas where someone has pulled a move on us at one time or another... I don't think of these folks as NITs... To me NITs are locksmiths and dogs with no bite but plenty of bark.... I always wonder if the term originates from common lice... Many undesirable and shady characters were referred to in that vein... I could see at some point someone telling a real work of a human being being called out on some crap they tried to pull and they were told they "were lower than a louse.... They were a lowly nit" and the term moved forward thru pools subculture with different opinions of what it meant......
The question is is how to do anything about sportsmanship.... I personally suggested a Nit list awhile back and has lots of great feed back... In hindsight I figured out that while that would be a fun thing to start it would be pretty useless in trying to get players to behave properly....
I have little faith in the ABPL instituting a code of conduct with any teeth towards addressing violations... Which leaves conduct up the event promoters especially since not all participants will fall under the ABP umbrella.... I would think a list could be created that covers all sportsmanship rules with appropriate penalties set in place.... Players would be required to sign a copy when entering a tournament and there would be subject to the sportsmanship rules and policies as well....
1) Physical Altercation with an Opponent... Tournament Disqualification
2) Physical Threats against an Opponent... Immediate loss of match
3) Verbal Argument with a player... Immediate Loss of Game
4) Verbal Argument with a spectator... Mandatory timeout by offending player.. If timeout was already used a loss of the current game is incurred but the timeout will be required. During the timeout the event staff shall remove the offending spectator for the rest of the match in questions duration...
*In all of the above instances there was always a turning back point.. A point where you could have went to an official and had them come address a perceived problem before item 1-4 happened....... *4 If a player comes to an official about a problem with a spectator before an argument has ensued it is the officials required responsibility to issue a non charged 5 minute timeout and take that time to have the spectator removed....
I am down with the flu so just above wore me out feel free to add to the rest of the rules and penalties..
5)Getting out of the chair/Physical Sharking/Cuebreaking or abuse....
6)Verbal/Auditory Sharking
7)Cellphone use -calls/texting
8)Sidebets - If you want 200 on the side give the cash to your partner/horse or make the bet yourself... WITH THE RAIL.... This has always been a psych move... You hit your opponent up for it at match time and get reported go sit down... You lost the lag.....
9)Game Concessions/Raking the balls
the NIT list
To Canwin:
Not sure what your problem is with I am real easy to find so we can talk about it. At this point you came across way 'out of line'.
I know nothing about the same 'old lame excuses' you are referring to. In this situation, it was not EVEN my event, (maybe an apology due?)
We have one of the best referee programs around. There is no favoritism in our events. We do not 'suck up to anyone' - so you obviously are mistaken or don't know the facts.
As far as 'charging the players up the ass' - you real strong hiding behind a keyboard.
You have the same opportunity and right to ask me anything you want - but it will be in a civil manner.
I also have the right to respond if I would like.
I don't like being accused as doing things 'half-assed' - I think you need to properly assess your thought processes, because you are not looking at the same landscape that I am!
So if you want to be part of the solution for pool - here is your golden opportunity. If you wanna just spewing 'your brand of crap' - that is also your option.
Now go home and do something worthwhile.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI ( and damn proud of it and my crew)!
To Canwin:
Not sure what your problem is with I am real easy to find so we can talk about it. At this point you came across way 'out of line'.
I know nothing about the same 'old lame excuses' you are referring to. In this situation, it was not EVEN my event, (maybe an apology due?)
We have one of the best referee programs around. There is no favoritism in our events. We do not 'suck up to anyone' - so you obviously are mistaken or don't know the facts.
As far as 'charging the players up the ass' - you real strong hiding behind a keyboard.
You have the same opportunity and right to ask me anything you want - but it will be in a civil manner.
I also have the right to respond if I would like.
I don't like being accused as doing things 'half-assed' - I think you need to properly assess your thought processes, because you are not looking at the same landscape that I am!
So if you want to be part of the solution for pool - here is your golden opportunity. If you wanna just spewing 'your brand of crap' - that is also your option.
Now go home and do something worthwhile.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI ( and damn proud of it and my crew)!