I have a problem...Bustamante vs TAR 26 Winner Back to Back. Opinions wanted

JCIN said:
The big problem that jumped out to me when I looked into the services you describe is that you have a third party taking a big chunk of your money. The only way to really make anything is lots and lots of buys. My experience in pool tells me that just doesnt work. Add in the fact that if you do anything that third party doesn't like their TOS basically says they can tell you to blow and keep whatever they want money wise.

Perfect example is Ustreams PPV service. Sure it looks all cool and would be easy for a regular Ustreamer to start doing PPV's but they take half of the gross and make you wait up to 60 days to actually get paid for the work you did. No thanks. Its like the CafePress model of merchandise. easy to do almost impossible to actually make any money at unless you are doing crazy volume. I looked at the YouTube program for VOD and was not that impressed with how you actually get paid and what the cut is. Sure something is better than nothing but I'm of the school that I would rather just wait for the right price than give something away.

I found a model that an independent film studio put together using the Amazon cloud service as a host. The price for storage and bandwidth is dirt cheap compared to everything else I have seen. The catch is to capitalize on that you have to build your own back end, user interface and payment processing. Basically you just use them to host and serve video. You build the structure that takes money, catalogs the content and allows people to navigate that catalog. Then you keep the vast majority of gross sales.

All I need is someone that can do all that a reasonable price that I can trust not to flake out on me cause their cat got an upset tummy. I'll catch that particular roadrunner someday.
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You gotta find one of those dudes in Vegas that builds VOD porn sites, haha, what you want done would be cake compared to that I think. :smile:
 
Hey Justin, any idea on the lineup for tomorrows one pocket? A good match at 4pm would be Darren and Bernie. I think Bernie finished 7/8th at this past Derby, he is also a member here and on onepocket.org. Looking forward to staying indoors like a vampire all day watching one pocket. :grin-devilish:
 
Fast Lenny said:
You gotta find one of those dudes in Vegas that builds VOD porn sites, haha, what you want done would be cake compared to that I think. :smile:
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Dude. You are exactly right. I want a porn site I just want to fill it with pool content. I started a thread with that title awhile back and I got everything BUT someone saying "I can do that for this price" or "I know a guy who can do that."

Thats all I want. It makes me nuts when I think about it. I know its my fault as much as anything for not having the patience to dig and find the right solution. All I want to do is give someone a link to a working site and say "This is what I want. How much?" So far when I tried that I got a cute "Let me google that for you" response and five or six people telling me what they couldn't do. I have a long temper but damn whenever I get into this whole thing it puts me on full puppy kicking tilt.
 
Fast Lenny said:
Hey Justin, any idea on the lineup for tomorrows one pocket? A good match at 4pm would be Darren and Bernie. I think Bernie finished 7/8th at this past Derby, he is also a member here and on onepocket.org. Looking forward to staying indoors like a vampire all day watching one pocket. :grin-devilish:
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That match sounds fine to me. Book it.
 
JCIN said:
Dude. You are exactly right. I want a porn site I just want to fill it with pool content. I started a thread with that title awhile back and I got everything BUT someone saying "I can do that for this price" or "I know a guy who can do that."

Thats all I want. It makes me nuts when I think about it. I know its my fault as much as anything for not having the patience to dig and find the right solution. All I want to do is give someone a link to a working site and say "This is what I want. How much?" So far when I tried that I got a cute "Let me google that for you" response and five or six people telling me what they couldn't do. I have a long temper but damn whenever I get into this whole thing it puts me on full puppy kicking tilt.
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This is just one guy I found on CL in your area, he has a list of sites I guess to check out. Would not hurt to ask a price on it and see what kind of things he has already done. http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cps/2999035913.html
 
If SVB is involved am onboard I can watch him 24/7 its cheaper to pay $35 than to fly from wherever, check the numbers, with matches with Shane they are always higher. GO SVB!:thumbup:
 
why not just make it SVB vs FB for TAR 27?
dont get me wrong, JA is a monster too.
but as far as business-wise, svb vs fb might get more numbers

then again, im no businessman and its just my opinion.
either way, its gonna be some awesome pool shooting.
 
A package deal would be nice and if done I would prob be in for both. But honestly it's a tough spot, and too much of a good thing can sometimes be bad. Unfortunately if done right after Tar 26, you will likely lose viewers just because its a lot to be spending in ppv.

Or how about for those who stayed in support and bought the us open 10 ball AND Tar 26, get the first day of Tar 27 free or maybe a reduced rate if it is right behind it. OR even better, someone who purchased the previous two who purchases day 1, will get day 2 for free. Sound good??? That way they are still purchasing at least one day. I mean the people you are concerned about are those who just bought the last few anyway, so throw them a little hook up.
 
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corvette1340 said:
Surely people would pay to see the extra match no matter the timing, but I've been out of the pool loop (<-----wow, not sure what that's called, but it's a rare bird I bet), for a year and half so I may be off base.
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I think that's a palindrome. They're not as rare as you think...
 
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Justin, in case you haven't made up your mind yet, I'll add my thoughts. You wanted to start a business model that provided PPV events. If you ever wanted to find out whether you've got audience interest for back-to-back-to back PPV's, then a "Busty got winners" match is one strong way.


Freddie <~~~ now how to get Orcullo to put his quarters up
 
Ron Moore said:
There is a substantial residual value to your productions. At some point, you will have the opportunity to monetize your back catalog through VOD or a provider who needs programming may wish to lease or purchase those rights. DVD releases are dead but the value of your company is in the rights not the product.

Building your catalog should be the top priority if it is within your means to do so. My suggestion is to think more like a music publisher.
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My sentiments exactly! Think Long Tail...
 
Establish a rule asap- If the first 10 games aren't over within X minutes a shot clock may be implemented. This way you aren't perceived to be picking on anyone. It may have to wait now but do it for the future when u can.

I'll probably buy everything.
 
Not the format

I believe TAR already has the format they want that isn't the question. The question is does he play the matches in consecutive weeks, after having a TAR match, US Open One-Pocket, and US Open Ten Ball. Do people have the monies to watch all events, and/or the want to.
 
robsnotes4u said:
Do people have the monies to watch all events, and/or the want to.
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I believe this is the wrong way to look at the problem. Your statement suggests that the only way to make this work is if all or most watchers buy all streams. Maybe that's not what your saying, but it reads that way.

I think the better way to ask is simply if there's enough interest overall to support these consecutive PPV streams. The monies don't have to come from the same people, so having the monies is not the issue.
 
Cornerman said:
I believe this is the wrong way to look at the problem. Your statement suggests that the only way to make this work is if all or most watchers buy all streams. Maybe that's not what your saying, but it reads that way.

I think the better way to ask is simply if there's enough interest overall to support these consecutive PPV streams. The monies don't have to come from the same people, so having the monies is not the issue.
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I think i have to disagree Fred- I think it's 80% the same viewers everytime-just like at the tournaments- MANY of same guys in the VIP seats at DCC -US Open etc. If anyone knows Justin does and that's probably why he is asking the question.

You would be correct in most any other sport imo but this is pool.
 
What would an annual subscription cost you guarentee lets say 10 matches a year you could sell those and schedule as you need. This might be a boon to your tried and true PPV purchasers who buy all feeds they could save a few bucks and you can have a for sure amount of cash in the pipeline. Also you could use the annuals to show viewers are firmly behind you when you talk to advertisers.

I think your sales will be less for SVB Archer if Busty is on board to play the winner the following weekend, many who would have bought the archer match will hold off to buy the busty and this is purely a function of dollars and time.

I think you need to get more commercial outlets if you had 10 sport bars in each state that would 500 buyers I think that has to be possible and would be the start of a bigger national audience. I think you would need to replay matches so they would have pool on league nights on TV alongside basketball and the other mainstream sports.

Good luck Justin you guys at TAR rock and pool is better because of your efforts.
 
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