I have a problem...Bustamante vs TAR 26 Winner Back to Back. Opinions wanted

crosseyedjoe said:
Create a package deal. Something like 30% off for both.
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Thats not a bad idea. You usually charge $35 a match, sell a package deal of $60 for both weekends. People get a deal and alot of people will likely lock in for both matches and you get people in for both PPV's.

IF TAR ever really gets a regular schedual of matches and predicatble content I would in fact love to buy a yearly subscription to TARevision for ~$250 which simply gives you access to all TAR content for the year including challenge matches and any PPV streams of tournaments. Kinda like a Golf Channel subscription.
 
JCIN said:
I talked to Dennis yesterday. Week before Tunica is looking good. Just have to find him an opponent. Shane said he thinks he'll be out of the country for something then. Have to sit down and get all the dates straight. Not sure who to go after if SVB cant make it. Maybe Alex...?
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Alex or busti might be the only guys dennis wont run over like he did to shane a couple weeks ago! You need someone with a lot of heart to play dennis on a ppv.
 
Go For It

Tape it and don't tell anyone the outcome. Opportunity is now.
Per Diem
 
The chance to see Orcollo and Alex fight it out on the TAR table is something no pool fan would ever miss out.
Keeping it on the topic, the package deal is probably the best thing you could do but have to warn you that half the people here who say they will buy the package, in the end they probably wont. I'd count up the number of people have posted support on this thread and expect maybe 50% of them to actually buy the ppv. Not trying to demean anyone on this thread, just keeping it real :P
 
Back to back would be cool. Like someone else suggessted, a discount would be nice and encouraging


JCIN said:
It seems that when it rains it pours...Bustamante is in the U.S. for the 1Pocket and 10 Ball Opens going on now and told me he wants to play the winner of TAR 26 Archer/SVB but it would have to be the following weekend which is June 1-3.

That would be a whole lot of PPV's in a row and I'm very concerned people wouldn't or couldn't pay for that much pool in a short time. Between now and then we have the US Open 10 Ball event and TAR 26.

I may be able to get Busty back to Vegas in July around the Tunica event but its not guaranteed. So I am in a quandary. Do you do the match and take a big risk of losing money because people are burned out on PPV or let the opportunity go and try to do it at some point in the future but with no guarantee when ?

This whole model is possible because of the people who buy and support our matches and I really do not want to burn anyone out. I am torn on this one and would like to hear peoples opinons on the situation.

What would you do?
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I wasn't going to respond a 2nd time to this thread because I feel that JCIN and the TAR crew have a good business model and have far superior business skills than I posses. But, after hearing the response from the normal pool players here, I think I need to respond.

I play pool in a weekly in house league. It cost me $12 plus bar/food tab for an average of $25/week or $100/month (I estimated low). If TAR charges for the US open 10 ball ($25) and $35 for SVB vs Archer and $35 for Busti vs someone and $35 Mike vs someone, thats $100 to $130 dollars to WATCH pool. My total bill would be $200 - $230 dollars for pool entertainment for the month. Even if I have that kind of money to burn month, why would I want to do it and jeopardize the relationship I have with my family.

Furthermore, I can't give up every weekend I have off sitting at home watching pool for 5 - 8 hrs a day for 3 days. I work shifts so I only have 3 out of every 5 weekends off anyway. Now I would have to tell my wife that I'm going to ignore her for a month to watch pool.

I am the rare guy that is talked about on the forum. I have a great job with good pay and save my dollars in case of job loss or other disaster. I also save my money because I trust no one including corporations with my retirement. I am the upper middle class guy that pool needs to target to get money. I am the guy that will shell out dollars to enter in a tourney that I know I don't have a chance to win because I love the game and want to support it. I deliberately eat the shitty bar food to support the pool hall when a steak house is next door. I am the guy that's telling you that I can't buy every event you have going on. On average, one event a month is what I'm willing to invest my time and money in for on line pool entertainment.
 
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Do it

I will pay for every match you guys put on. Hell I payed for Mike and Dennis twice so my friends could watch it too. I just wish there was some way to watch it where it wouldn't freeze up on me so much the connection from Okinawa always sucks. TAR rocks and I'll support as much as I can.:smile:
 
Fast Lenny said:
You gotta find one of those dudes in Vegas that builds VOD porn sites, haha, what you want done would be cake compared to that I think. :smile:
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An ex-roomate of mine is a project manager at the world's largest adult website hoster in the world. She- yes, she- has been offered to JCIN before.
 
Fatboy is that you? Hello Fatboy?

We all appreciate you telling us about what a philanthropist you are, it doesn't go unnoticed.

Thank you.

chevybob20 said:
I wasn't going to respond a 2nd time to this thread because I feel that JCIN and the TAR crew have a good business model and have far superior business skills than I posses. But, after hearing the response from the normal pool players here, I think I need to respond.

I play pool in a weekly in house league. It cost me $12 plus bar/food tab for an average of $25/week or $100/month (I estimated low). If TAR charges for the US open 10 ball ($25) and $35 for SVB vs Archer and $35 for Busti vs someone and $35 Mike vs someone, thats $100 to $130 dollars to WATCH pool. My total bill would be $200 - $230 dollars for pool entertainment for the month. Even if I have that kind of money to burn month, why would I want to do it and jeopardize the relationship I have with my family.

Furthermore, I can't give up every weekend I have off sitting at home watching pool for 5 - 8 hrs a day for 3 days. I work shifts so I only have 3 out of every 5 weekends off anyway. Now I would have to tell my wife that I'm going to ignore her for a month to watch pool.

I am the rare guy that is talked about on the forum. I have a great job with good pay and save my dollars in case of job loss or other disaster. I also save my money because I trust no one including corporations with my retirement. I am the upper middle class guy that pool needs to target to get money. I am the guy that will shell out dollars to enter in a tourney that I know I don't have a chance to win because I love the game and want to support it. I deliberately eat the shitty bar food to support the pool hall when a steak house is next door. I am the guy that's telling you that I can't buy every event you have going on. On average, one event a month is what I'm willing to invest my time and money in for on line pool entertainment.
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I think 90 some % of the people would like to see Yang.

The ticket would cost a bit more, but maybe people pay to see him in a few matches, or a round robin over a few days.

JCIN said:
I talked to Dennis yesterday. Week before Tunica is looking good. Just have to find him an opponent. Shane said he thinks he'll be out of the country for something then. Have to sit down and get all the dates straight. Not sure who to go after if SVB cant make it. Maybe Alex...?
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Joe T said:
Johnny & Shane vs Busty & Orcollo! I'll pay fiddy

Back to reality, I buy all the streams but would consider not buying back to back at $35 for 2 weekends (probably not, lol) but I'm sure a lot would so i'm not sure what to tell ya bud, keep thinking & asking and maybe something will pop up.
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Now you're talking Joe! Same format as the World Cup of Pool, two on two team event.

My feeling is that TAR has to mix it up and provide pool fans with some different programming than only Ten Ball matches.

Dennis Orcollo would be another VERY interesting player to see in a TAR match. He may well be the best pool player on the planet today! Just ask his peers and see what they tell you about him. NO ONE really wants to match up with him now.

I have a proposal for TAR that may bring some new viewers to his site. It's a double header with me and Billy Incardona playing in the prelim and Shane and Dennis O. in the main event.

Billy and I will play a Bank Pool match, probably a Race to Five or Six each day, two out of three sets. Billy is an icon in the sport and I have a pretty good following as well. It is kind of a grudge match as well, and it's not like we both can't play the game.

In the main event at night Shane and Dennis O. will tangle at One Pocket, also a Race to Five or Six each day. That way viewers will get to watch two entirely different matches in the same day.

There is a little more to this proposal that Justin may find appealing and we can discuss this privately. One possible BIG PLUS is that Shane and Dennis can commentate our Bank Pool match (wouldn't that be fun) and Billy and I would commentate their One Pocket match. So he now has two interesting matches with four commentators built in.

Let me know what you think about this idea. I had meant to discuss it with Justin first but maybe some feed back on here would be helpful. I'm a promoter so I try to think outside the box sometimes, as to what might work to get people to watch. It's not all about pool (of course that's the main thing), but about entertainment as well.
 
Yukio

I will defer to Jay as he knows more about the game than I do but I have played Yang and Wen and I have never seen someone play perfect pool for so many hours as Yukio Akagariyama did when he was here . He plays some of the cleanest patterns and he does it while acting like a total professional . If he enters this tournament I would like to make some sweat bets and I'll :thumbup:take him against whoever.
 
JCIN said:
I talked to Dennis yesterday. Week before Tunica is looking good. Just have to find him an opponent. Shane said he thinks he'll be out of the country for something then. Have to sit down and get all the dates straight. Not sure who to go after if SVB cant make it. Maybe Alex...?
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You need a killer opponent against Dennis or else the match is going to be kinda boring and predictable.

Possible opponents that would challenge him and get action going on both sides without massive spots and weight are...

Yang
Wu
Souquet
Jung-Lin Chang

That is close to it atm that would be both a good draw and a tough "pickem" match. I avoided another Filipino because ATM everyone wants to get the question answered "are the Filipinos the best on the planet atm?" and you need to throw in one of the other world class players above against Dennis to get an idea about the answer.

Of those matches Wu and Souquet would be HUGE draws for PPV. Yang would be a very strong draw if marketed right and you make sure people know about the last long 10-ball match they played in which Yang drilled Dennis. Chang is a monster, the 2012 world 8-ball champ, and plays as good as anyone on the planet but he would be the least likely to draw a huge crowd as few know who he is.

One thing this sport needs badly is for people in America to actually start to see these top teir players they have only heard about, this sport needs the top 10 players in the world to be in competition with each other. We don't need to see a Dennis Orcullo exhibition where he drills a player out of his league and anyone in America beyond SVB is certainly out of his league. The guys in the above list are guys that would rank right there with him and a match between Dennis and any one of those guys in the TAR format would have alot of discussion and debate on who the favorite should be.
 
Celtic said:
You need a killer opponent against Dennis or else the match is going to be kinda boring and predictable.

Possible opponents that would challenge him and get action going on both sides without massive spots and weight are...

Yang
Wu
Souquet
Jung-Lin Chang

That is close to it atm that would be both a good draw and a tough "pickem" match. I avoided another Filipino because ATM everyone wants to get the question answered "are the Filipinos the best on the planet atm?" and you need to throw in one of the other world class players above against Dennis to get an idea about the answer.

Of those matches Wu and Souquet would be HUGE draws for PPV. Yang would be a very strong draw if marketed right and you make sure people know about the last long 10-ball match they played in which Yang drilled Dennis. Chang is a monster, the 2012 world 8-ball champ, and plays as good as anyone on the planet but he would be the least likely to draw a huge crowd as few know who he is.

One thing this sport needs badly is for people in America to actually start to see these top teir players they have only heard about, this sport needs the top 10 players in the world to be in competition with each other. We don't need to see a Dennis Orcullo exhibition where he drills a player out of his league and anyone in America beyond SVB is certainly out of his league. The guys in the above list are guys that would rank right there with him and a match between Dennis and any one of those guys in the TAR format would have alot of discussion and debate on who the favorite should be.
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People keep talking about Ralf but I really do not see him being that big of a draw, he plays great but its usually death by boredom. I also dont see him having the 10 Ball break to not get his nuts shot well and truly in by Dennis. As for Wu and Yang....Yang left most people who saw him this week underwhelmed and I seriously doubt 75% of our customers could pick Wu out of a line up (me included).

Honestly I do not have that much interest in doing all the work to get some mostly unknown guy from overseas here only to have him maybe win once, take the money and never be seen again. That doesnt help build anything. With guys like Bustamante and Alex we at least know they are going to be in the country for a few months out of the year.

When Dennis plays a TAR match I am thinking Alex or Shane will be his opponent. But who knows....after this week and the show he put on its possible no one wants any of Dennis right now.
 
jay helfert said:
Now you're talking Joe! Same format as the World Cup of Pool, two on two team event.

My feeling is that TAR has to mix it up and provide pool fans with some different programming than only Ten Ball matches.

Dennis Orcollo would be another VERY interesting player to see in a TAR match. He may well be the best pool player on the planet today! Just ask his peers and see what they tell you about him. NO ONE really wants to match up with him now.

I have a proposal for TAR that may bring some new viewers to his site. It's a double header with me and Billy Incardona playing in the prelim and Shane and Dennis O. in the main event.

Billy and I will play a Bank Pool match, probably a Race to Five or Six each day, two out of three sets. Billy is an icon in the sport and I have a pretty good following as well. It is kind of a grudge match as well, and it's not like we both can't play the game.

In the main event at night Shane and Dennis O. will tangle at One Pocket, also a Race to Five or Six each day. That way viewers will get to watch two entirely different matches in the same day.

There is a little more to this proposal that Justin may find appealing and we can discuss this privately. One possible BIG PLUS is that Shane and Dennis can commentate our Bank Pool match (wouldn't that be fun) and Billy and I would commentate their One Pocket match. So he now has two interesting matches with four commentators built in.

Let me know what you think about this idea. I had meant to discuss it with Justin first but maybe some feed back on here would be helpful. I'm a promoter so I try to think outside the box sometimes, as to what might work to get people to watch. It's not all about pool (of course that's the main thing), but about entertainment as well.
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I like your idea quite a bit. Variety is the spice of life and frankly, as great a game that 10 ball is, I don't want to watch it every time. I've got little time for pool and pool viewing these days, but I will find a way to tune in should something like you describe transpire.

Also, I love the doubles and/or teams concept. I feel that this is what pool needs more of generally.

Cheers all...
 
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