bye bye ustream.tv, justin.tv & livestream.tv? Can we do it?

[manwon]

Welcome to The Onsite Pool Network! "Combining efforts in the billiard industry"

Many of you possibly heard about our own high definition streaming servers capable of high bit streams and plenty of bandwidth. Yes, the rumors are true. Take a gander at our site. http://www.onsitepool.com The site may seem a vauge at the moment, but thats on purpose. We are adding new features behind the scenes everyday. Currently it’s just a TV window and Chat Window with plenty of room for billiard sponsors. We are effortlessly trying to keep the site as clear as possible making room for nothing more than billiard related content. (No KY Jelly or Trojan Condom Commercials, We promise.)

Now onto our madness and quite possibly sadness. Let us spell it out for you in our opinion, if you will..

We understand the billiard industry contains about 99% of the world's entrepreneurs.. ha ha.. (kidding).. It actually feels true. What a great industry to be apart of--Seriously. It takes a keen mind to master the game of billiards on the table, and off. I'm obliged to say I've invested 20 years myself. It's no wonder many of us are intuned to the capitalization the industry defines. Many of us have seen projects flop, and a few have made it, some of them barely.

We are hoping OnSitePool.com Productions will be one that will stay afloat for many years to come. We’ve invested huge amount of time and research into the project and even streamed our hometown tournaments and local pool room matches.

The key principle that motivates our effort is not so much to hog all the glamor, but enabling the industry to be revitalized. The sacrifice from so many that bring us countless hours of pool matches and content online is going undercompensated, if not at all. The more tournament directors throw at live streaming their events, the less players could possibly get. The large streaming sites are using our content for their gain. Imagine having 10% of that, or 20%, 30%, 50%. Now fathom 100%. One of our goals is to keep all potential revenue within the billiard community. We need to stop giving it away!

Many shows and streams that struggle can now support the cause and actually make money. Even going to stream risky 1st annual events, amateur events, and mom and pop tournaments can be feasible. Even if it’s a $100.00 profit. Or even the performance paid for the high bit stream and broke even. All would be better than losing money. There’s much overhead traveling the country and streaming billiards. With technology progressively renewing itself, it seems daily, will enable more streamers to hit the net. We need to be ready for them, enabling a larger market for the billiard sponsors and for the sake of seeing unknowns out there. It almost vindictive of the similarities how amateur pool supports the professionals. In this case the amateur streamers will create a larger audience for the sponsors, in fact supporting the billiard streaming community as a whole.

The delimiting factor will be our beloved sponsors. Imagine sponsors spending half of what they're currently spending for direct campaigns, or all campaigns for that matter. Sponsors will be able focus more of their advertising budget towards a turnkey environment where nearly 100% of impressions and clicks will be from the billiard community. They won’t have to divide their advertising budget into many pieces based on “word of mouth”, or rely on guessing who did the best. There’s currently no analytic data to justify their advertising budgets. There could be!

Elimination of all unrelated billiard in-stream commercials and advertising will increase viewer satisfaction. Server side advertising will be controllable by the streamer so not to interrupt programming. Streamed advertising “on-air” will still be permissible giving the local industries and promoters better opportunity to plug their products and services.

The billiard industry having its own high definition streaming servers will enable a slew of possibilities. It could eliminate the streamers responsibility struggling to find and negotiate sponsorship. Also, it will immediately reduce overhead from inflated premiums at the large streaming sites. Many times premiums are unknown and based on bandwidth consumption. Scary if I may add.

To further reduce overhead for our members, OnSitePool.com Productions offers backend support with the latest in webhosting, webdesign with our dedicated servers. This will create seamless integration into a member's website with our streaming capabilities and advertising structure themed around billiards and technology. Members will still have complete control of their website, if not more control, by their current provider. Instead of members having a ‘streaming channel’ they will have their ‘streaming website’ backed by OnSitePool.com. We will be happy to design a site based on your likes, or if you wish keep your site the same. The choice is left to our members.

To mention a few, we offer these services: Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress web content management. Also, cpanel, ssh, ftp access. The latest rtmp, rtsp, hls, cbr, vbr streaming in high definition to any device including iphones, ipads, and android mobile devices with selectable bit rates.

Here's the kicker. We need a couple of the larger streaming bodies such as TAR, PoolActionTV, InsidePoolTV, GBST, and among others to pony up their sponsorship rights. As a whole, more revenue would be generated. Distribution of the collaborated advertising revenues would be based upon impression and click performance. Just as many large internet conglomerates are doing today. i.e. Google, Yahoo, and Facebook.

I hope your reading hasn’t caused you to become turbulent. We kindly ask for respect on this venture, as we are dead serious. We are asking for respectable responses to this post and hopefully earn the right of the AZBilliard moderators to make this as sticky as possible.

Furthermore, if you wish to inquire about OnSitePool.com Productions and wish to speak with us directly to share your ideas or concerns, please direct those to sales@onsitepool.com.

Written by Zach Goldsmith, co-founder, OnSitePool.com Productions
Zach is also a league operator in Columbus, Ohio (Central Ohio NAPA)
Licensed by the North American Poolshooters Association, (NAPA)
http://www.napaohio.com; http://www.napaleagues.com

Edited by Jason Cobble, co-founder, OnSitePool.com Productions
Jason is a licensed Unix Administrator and owns uniXplatform Networks
Special thanks in Jason’s efforts making this a reality.

Sorry but out of respect to the others who have already been doing a great job in my opinion your services are not needed!!

However, I will be watching your every move on this forum!!!!!


I heard that this is your producer is that true????

I heard that this is cast of workers is that true??????????


Last but not least, I have it from a very reliable source that this is your studio and that this is you hard at work?????????


I wish you well, but you are really not needed because we already have people doing a job who's shoes you can't fill. You see loyalty is something you can only earn by your actions over time, you can't stream it, and you can't buy it!!!!!

Very Respectfully

Oh and by the way, my comments here are mine alone and they are based upon my opinion alone!!

Good Luck with your venture and please keep your sense of humor, I am certain that I am not the only one who finds your title to this thread a little disrespectfully to those who have already done so much to improve and provide streaming of billiard related events to the general public!!!!!

 

[Goldy]

Never use one word when ten will do right?

Justin. If you feel the use of the English Language eludes your concentration, I'm deeply sorry it frustrates you. I assume the significance paying attention to detail doesn't apply to you.

Let me rephrase my initial assessment: It looks like a pool guy met an internet guy and had a good idea that was then kidnapped and brainwashed by a sales guy.

You must have mixed up the definition of "brainwashed" with "educated" because you hate to pay attention to English.

Good luck with your plans for world domination of the pool streaming market. I'll just stay over here with YouTube, Ustream and AudioVideoWeb instead of Zach, Jason and Mike.

This venture is no way means of dominating the World, let alone the billiard streaming industry, or the billiard industry as a whole. If you feel the necessity to sell out your content to YouTube, Ustream, and AudioVideoWeb to recover losses associated with streaming, more power to you. That is exactly what you have to do, as everyone else, to make money currently.

It is my opinion, and my reasoning behind this venture, is to limit this practice. It is counter-productive. Secondly, the content will be more valuable provided OnSitePool.com proves successful. Plus it will be protected.

Edit: You dont know a whole lot about how pool streaming really works do you? All this emphasis on HD streaming is useless. Well over half the venues I have streamed in over the years won't support putting a 1.5mbps stream out in the first place. A metric shit ton of casinos dont support that and the ones that do would probably charge $500-$1000 a day for the access. There is only one streamer out there who puts out a true 720p stream and thats Accu-Stats through AudioVideoWeb. No one is going to pay extra for HD either sending or receiving. The only possible way you guys could compete with AudioVideoWeb is if you are just acting as a reseller for another CDN.

Really Justin? Do you find it necessary to troll around AZBilliards and just disagree for the significance to prove your ignorant of relevant and recent changes in technologies surrounding on demand/live video streaming market through rtmp, rtsp, and http dynamic streaming?

The emphasis on HD streaming has such insignificance because it's impossible to obtain it economically as of current. Why? I covered that in my opening post, and in several of my replies. Go read them. Repeat if necessary. Be forewarned you might have to weed through the mountain of English.

Not to piss on your cheerios but the whole idea sounds interesting except it doesnt fit any part of how the real industry works at this time.

You really haven't proved beyond doubt why this won't work. So don't whip it out and pee just yet. We have the power to change the industry, especially with OnSitePool.com footing the bill.

Zach.

 

[hejests]

I'm not in the billiards industry but I've been working as a consultant with new and emerging technologies for more than a decade.

Reading this thread, this venture seems to suffer from the same sort of circular reasoning that a lot or other technology ventures suffer from. Specifically something like: when we became the youtube of <insert industry> we'll be able to do some really great things to become really successful. Yah, and when I become the president of the world i'll be able to do some really great things too.

The question is how do you become successful in the first place? Whats the business model upfront and the execution plan to get there.

It seems to me, you can only be successful if you can get the streamers to stream through you and the advertisers to advertise with you.

What i'm not seeing in this thread is how you're planning on doing that other than promisses of once we're successful we'll be able to do x y & z.

I'd also mention that the tone of both the thread and subject line can't do anything but alienate the streamers. IMO you're coming off more as someone who's trying to muscle in on the space rather than partner up for success.

It would have also made more sense to approach the streamers in some other way first. Not a public forum.

That's my .02$

Serge

 

[JCIN]

Justin. If you feel the use of the English Language eludes your concentration, I'm deeply sorry it frustrates you. I assume the significance paying attention to detail doesn't apply to you.



You must have mixed up the definition of "brainwashed" with "educated" because you hate to pay attention to English.



This venture is no way means of dominating the World, let alone the billiard streaming industry, or the billiard industry as a whole. If you feel the necessity to sell out your content to YouTube, Ustream, and AudioVideoWeb to recover losses associated with streaming, more power to you. That is exactly what you have to do, as everyone else, to make money currently.

It is my opinion, and my reasoning behind this venture, is to limit this practice. It is counter-productive. Secondly, the content will be more valuable provided OnSitePool.com proves successful. Plus it will be protected.



Really Justin? Do you find it necessary to troll around AZBilliards and just disagree for the significance to prove your ignorant of relevant and recent changes in technologies surrounding on demand/live video streaming market through rtmp, rtsp, and http dynamic streaming?

The emphasis on HD streaming has such insignificance because it's impossible to obtain it economically as of current. Why? I covered that in my opening post, and in several of my replies. Go read them. Repeat if necessary. Be forewarned you might have to weed through the mountain of English.



You really haven't proved beyond doubt why this won't work. So don't whip it out and pee just yet. We have the power to change the industry, especially with OnSitePool.com footing the bill.

Zach.

This whole thing reminds me very much of another similar venture that was featured in that great American Movie "Step Brothers":

 

[bfdlad]

Man, I think you are maybe picking the wrong guys to get into a pissing contest with at this early stage in your plans. You said yourself when you are ready to move forward... I take that as you are not ready to move forward yet. So I would be making friends at this point. The pool community is so small that mostg everyone on here knows each other. Some of us are friends and have done biz together. Its hard to get into this by being anything but kind and respectful. I am not a power player in the biz by any stretch of the imagination but I do know and call alot of these people my friends and loyalty in the group goes a long way. Hope this makes sense and I want to see anyone do something better if its possible. Just tred carefully cos from what I have seen you are coming off a little arrogant. JMO. I hope something can be worked out with all concerned.
You have given me an idea though that may work on my end. Nothing like the tech stuff you are thinking about but its amazing where ideas can come from.

 

[bfdlad]

This whole thing reminds me very much of another similar venture that was featured in that great American Movie "Step Brothers":

Investors??? could be you... Boats an Ho's

 

[Ktown D]

This whole thing reminds me very much of another similar venture that was featured in that great American Movie "Step Brothers":

I'm not so good wif engrish myself but........this post is the stuff of legend.:rotflmao:

 

[Goldy]

I recovering from a hang over today so maybe I didn't read closely enough. I'm confused how this model works.

I've been sober for 5 months now.

Let me answer some if your questions and shed a bit more light on the venture.

Are you handling ppv services for the streamer?

OnSitePool.com Productions will have a very simple PPV interface which will be integrated with the bootstrap processes of Flash Media Server and Flash Media Gateway. All of our PPV output streams will be over HTTPS and dynamic utilizing HLS. Any device and operating system will be able to receive the stream, and will be to select 300/600/1000/1500* during live broadcast.

Will the viewers watch for free? If they watch for free, is this a straight sponsorship play? 1500k times, say, 500-1000 viewers is a shit-ton of throughput requiring tons and tons of datacenter resources and server clustering. Are you building this out yourself or are you working from a larger CDN such as Akamai or VitalStream?

For maximum benefit, Yes. It would be possible if there was enough sponsor support to do a 1 time free HD broadcast, or "sponsorship play", if you will.

What will be of significance for our fellow streamers is the actual "feed" can broadcast completely ad free. (more or less the streamer will not have to produce the sponsor ads, and be concerned with back end production, but small logos, event banners, and simple stream watermarks, etc, etc, could still be implemented) This will open a door for endless flexibility on the production end. It will also enable a compact setup gear for a slew of new potential amateur streamers, and ease the burden and overhead of current streamers.

All Sponsor ads will be provided and cued on a "off-air server" so to speak. The ads will then be remotely controllable by the streamer to overlay the "on-air" broadcast when the time is pertinent. This is already available. What is currently happening is "non-related" ads are coming across without any control. (unless you have purchased premium services where they go away)

With our own network catered for the billiard industry, everyone will have absolute control of the advertising content supplied by billiard industry. Just think of a stream site that is very similar to ustream, except stripped of all unwanted and unnecessary garbage.

Embed code will be available for those wishing to continue to use their own websites, but this may become unnecessary in the future.

The OnSitePool.com site will not be 'universal' for all types of streaming entrepreneurs, nor will it be allowed. It will be welcoming to everyone wanting to watch billiards in High Definition for free, and all the ad content will be themed around billiards and technology.

We have plenty of bandwidth and computing power to produce a very nice 1k HD stream @ 720p allowing 1000 concurrent connections. We have already planned to double this throughput, and can be added when the demand is there, and beyond.

$100/hr of streaming PLUS whatever you collect for the tiny bit of sponsorship money available will NEVER cover hosting costs. You need to make money on a per-connection basis to stay interested in this business. Would that drive your costs above what the market will pay?

Leave that up to us. We have creative geeks and individuals who have come up with solutions to many problems you have mentioned.

We offer a slew of other services which will ultimately keep OnSitePool.com alive despite costs associated with having our own streaming server without the complete support of the billiard community. We understand this will not happen overnight, nor in the next 12 months.

Justin is 100% correct. 1500k throughput on an upstream is a PITA to get in most venues. Like Justin, I've been streaming large corporate events for a long, long time-- well over a decade. Even in the largest venues, a 1500k dedicated-up is nearly impossible w/out a dedicated circuit (which is IMPOSSIBLE to afford for a pool event). You mentioned offering this to amateur and mom/pop events: how many rooms do you think can support a 1500k-up stream? You NEED value beyond your "HD" play.

I guess some of you are unaware of recent proprietary software available that will produce high qualify HD720P streams @ 30fps with FMLE 3.2 support at around 1mbit. It is so clear, you can actually see the numbers on the balls even when their rolling around the table, respectively. Man speaking of "brainwash", these sites have really got you guys fooled.

This will enable many to produce good quality HD720P streams @ 30fps where bandwidth is choked to 1mbit upstream. Of course DSL @ 1mbit/384k isn't going to slice it.

I think if you want to be successful, you can't focus on just the pool industry. There aren't enough click-throughs / impressions. Otherwise, your cost-per-impression is going to be through the roof compared to larger services. I like your concept, but I'm clueless how you're going to make money. Your competing with competitors that drive hundreds of thousands of impressions/viewers. You'll be blessed to get 10% (or 5%) of their traffic. Without that traffic, you won't get sponsors. I dunno-- I'm lost.

Your right, we are not just focusing on pool. Like I said we offer other services.

I think you've missed the point slightly about the impressions/viewers. It will not be a 'traditional' concept.

The analytics will dictate performance of the streams which in turn will buy down the cost of the HD services.

If the concept rings true, then obviously 1 HD broadcast will be enough. There will be a slew of options for viewers to watch the content they missed. One of which, viewers that have subscribed to content to be watched in HD anytime all the time, they will be able to watch the content in HD whenever after login. Even watch it on mobile devices and internet TV's. Secondly streamers will be able to select content to be distributed to the poison sites, which will already be packaged at a lower bitrate. Then again another benefit for experience streamer. This will be beneficial for the streamer because all re-broadcast material that does not come from OnSitePool.com saves the streamer bandwidth consumption.

This should put the principal of our venture in perspective.

Sounds cool -- but fiscally impossible. Please share more about how you plan to make it-- financially. If guys like Justin don't think you'll last in the long-run, they're not jumping ship because it's too much of a PITA to switch-up and then switch back with their content in limbo.

I think we'll be just fine fiscally. But of course there will be a time where it does have to make at least enough revenue to break even. If it's breaking even, then it's a viable concept.

Also keep in mind, if this venture succeeds, there will be essentially no need for PPV. The real back end revenue in which viewers will be utilizing the service to re-broadcast previous works, without handing them to the devil for a quick fast cash, making the content insolvent for the future.

Plus content will be ultra secure if it never has to be burned to a DVD. Instead of burning it to a DVD, you hand them a login/password to view online in HD, which will entice them to sign up for the service.

Switch up what? I don't think it's that hard change code on a website when all you have to do is cut and paste it. Is it really that hard to change rtmp:// and the streamid in the broadcasting software?

Our TOS and policies will be very flexible, not only for streamers, but the end users.

We even may offer services down the road to have a streamers content copyrighted and trademarked the proper way.

Thank you very much SpiderWeb. It was a pleasure answering your questions.

Zach.

 

[Goldy]

I happen to work in the business of providing servers and bandwidth to clients that want to do what you are doing.

Hardware and bandwidth are you biggest factors. Not advertisers or even streamers to pay for your service.

To blow players like ustream or audiovideoweb, you will have to have multiple servers...and a TON of bandwidth.

Not to mention the amount of coding and programming that comes with providing all those services out there.

The reason that ustream and audiovideoweb and those other providers are successful is because they fill a niche...and they are already here. They don't have the huge startup costs that comes with this type of business.

It would be one thing for an individual like TAR or Fast Lenny to setup a server or two and stream their matches and be successful at it because it's done on a much smaller scale.

That doesn't mean it can't be done...it just means that it's going to take a lot of cash, manpower, and programming to get there

We are perfectly aware of the circumstances to which will make this a success. We are half way done. Our server idles @ live.onsitepool.com. you can take a look at a sample embed code w/ our IRC chat server @ www.onsitepool.com

Currently we have adequate resources to provide a 720P HD stream @ 30fps @ 1k with a 1000 viewer capability. If it were a 1.5k stream, then 750 viewers.

But in my previous replies, new proprietary software has come to light which will generate a nice smooth 720P HD stream 30FPS @ 1k w/ FMLE 3.2 support. So clear in fact, you can see the numbers on the balls, even when they are moving about the table.

Thanks Abie for your reply. Stay tuned for more..

Zach.

 

[jimmyg]

Interesting new concept for developing an emerging business marketing plan, one I'm sure that Wharton and Harvard will want to immediately incorporate into their MBA program.

Rather than thoroughly research the business model; including competition and primary target accounts, assess the unfulfilled needs of your target clients, crunch numbers for mutual cost, profit and growth potential, create a valid business pro forma, and then, and only then, contact key potential business partners directly and privately in order to obtain an opportunity to make a professional (perhaps power point), face to face, presentation...we can now make a general post in a public internet forum and almost immediately offend many of the industry leaders and likely your primary client base when they don't respond the way we want. Great plan. :shrug:

J

 

[Mickey Qualls]

... The key principle that motivates our effort is not so much to hog all the glamor...

This is where I stopped reading. Especially based on the title of the thread...

 

[Goldy]

I'm not in the billiards industry but I've been working as a consultant with new and emerging technologies for more than a decade.

That's awesome! We have a few experienced geeks in our group as well. A few know it all nerds too. LOL... Makes for great ideas that actually come to fruition before our eyes.

Reading this thread, this venture seems to suffer from the same sort of circular reasoning that a lot or other technology ventures suffer from. Specifically something like: when we became the youtube of <insert industry> we'll be able to do some really great things to become really successful. Yah, and when I become the president of the world i'll be able to do some really great things too.

Yeah, but to get down to the nitty gritty.. "Ya' gotta start some place". Sometimes you just have to get the ball rolling, and most of the time things come into place, and new ideas are born in the process.

We are essentially capitalizing on an industry that is already there, and specializing it to cater to a particular market. It has been done a few times. A prime example is twitch/justin.tv.

The question is how do you become successful in the first place? Whats the business model upfront and the execution plan to get there.

We're not starting a fortune 500 company first of all. Billiards is played by many as a hobby.

I guess you can derive that this venture has been started by a group of pool players that have day jobs with various skills in the IT industry. A few are current streamers. I'm a league operator. We'll keep it at that for the time being.

It seems to me, you can only be successful if you can get the streamers to stream through you and the advertisers to advertise with you.

Not entirely. In theory, there are several approaches to remedy small revenues in the beginning. Plus we've retained some capital for these times.

Also we've been okay'd to test out a few remote Hi Def stationary streaming cameras in a couple local halls here. We have an avenue to receive samples of the product for beta testing. We plan to offer a variety of streaming services to pool rooms throughout the country.

What i'm not seeing in this thread is how you're planning on doing that other than promises of once we're successful we'll be able to do x y & z.

Promises? We are merely providing a better streaming service as what is currently available with an infrastructure suited more towards billiards and technology. It's actually a no-brainier. Maybe for others some things haven't come together properly to merit the time and investment to get it done. I wish not to discuss the hindrance in why it hasn't been done already.

To offset the costs of providing those services, we are kicking around details to make in a win-win situation for both sides, and to continue to provide the services, self-sustained.

Essentially we do not want to resort to tactics of our competitors to rape streamers. A nice stable place where streamers can use the services with knowing up everything up front. Plus knowing the fact that the server is operated by similar individuals that are well in tuned with the billiard industry, and some of them well known.

I'd also mention that the tone of both the thread and subject line can't do anything but alienate the streamers. IMO you're coming off more as someone who's trying to muscle in on the space rather than partner up for success.

I'm sorry if my professionalism and well spoken nature propagates inferiority complexes with fellow streamers, AZBilliard guru's, and billiard enthusiasts. Our intentions are beyond childish rhetoric. I'm a mature adult with a dream, a mission, a family, and many supporters.

It would have also made more sense to approach the streamers in some other way first. Not a public forum.

That's my .02$

Serge

Well a few of us thought of that. We decided to publish it here, as it would obviously have a dramatic influx of emotions, ideas, and concerns.

We are capitalizing on that at this very moment.

There's no need to go behind the scenes and create favoritism. I'm an upfront and realistic individual. I don't need to hind behind others to keep my ideas, and the ideas of my colleagues for that matter, a secret.

Thank you for your honest reply. I hope I answered you as well as you replied to us.

Zach.

 

[Goldy]

This is where I stopped reading. Especially based on the title of the thread...

I admit that could have been stated a bit better.

Thanks for getting as far as you did..

Zach.

 

[Goldy]

Sorry but out of respect to the others who have already been doing a great job in my opinion your services are not needed!! However, I will be watching your every move on this forum!!!!!

Did I mention that everything as of current is not good enough? Did I point fingers at anyone and tell them their doing a horrible job? Of course not.

Actually everyone is doing an excellent job!

Obviously you didn't read my post with an open mind..

Last but not least, I have it from a very reliable source that this is your studio and that this is you hard at work?????????

hahahhha. Funny.. But not exactly..

I wish you well, but you are really not needed because we already have people doing a job who's shoes you can't fill. You see loyalty is something you can only earn by your actions over time, you can't stream it, and you can't buy it!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Very Respectfully

Oh and by the way, my comments here are mine alone and they are based upon my opinion alone!!

Good Luck with your venture and please keep your sense of humor, I am certain that I am not the only one who finds your title to this thread a little disrespectfully to those who have already done so much to improve and provide streaming of billiard related events to the general public!!!!!

I respect your opinion entirely. It was a nice delivery. I have a great sense of humor.

Obviously you have totally missed the point on our venture. The only disrespect I've portrayed is towards the the current avenue for streaming services and the free outlets for content.

A sincere thanks, otherwise, for a rather weird response.

Zach.

 

[Goldy]

Interesting new concept for developing an emerging business marketing plan, one I'm sure that Wharton and Harvard will want to immediately incorporate into their MBA program.

Rather than thoroughly research the business model; including competition and primary target accounts, assess the unfulfilled needs of your target clients, crunch numbers for mutual cost, profit and growth potential, create a valid business pro forma, and then, and only then, contact key potential business partners directly and privately in order to obtain an opportunity to make a professional (perhaps power point), face to face, presentation...we can now make a general post in a public internet forum and almost immediately offend many of the industry leaders and likely your primary client base when they don't respond the way we want. Great plan. :shrug:

J

We "almost immediately offend" many of the industry leaders? Who are those leaders that you speak of if I may ask? Do you know them? Personally?

We followed that plan you reference, dead on nonetheless, which you kindly shared.

How do you think we secured capital? Our good looks and English skills?

We already have a server up and running and streaming particular clients for rounds of beta testing. We hope to be ready with our first run of code by August. You should check it out.. www.onsitepool.com

Thank you,

Zach.

 

[jimmyg]

We "almost immediately offend" many of the industry leaders? Who are those leaders that you speak of if I may ask? Do you know them? Personally?

We followed that plan you reference, dead on nonetheless, which you kindly shared.

How do you think we secured capital? Our good looks and English skills?

We already have a server up and running and streaming particular clients for rounds of beta testing. We hope to be ready with our first run of code by August. You should check it out.. www.onsitepool.com

Thank you,

Zach.

My pleasure, and good luck.

J

 

[manwon]

Did I mention that everything as of current is not good enough? Did I point fingers at anyone and tell them their doing a horrible job? Of course not.

Actually everyone is doing an excellent job!

Obviously you didn't read my post with an open mind..



hahahhha. Funny.. But not exactly..



I'm sorry you feel that way.




Zack I am all for free enterprise, however, I think you could have picked a better way to introduce yourself "bye bye ustream.tv, justin.tv & livestream.tv? Can we do it?" because the title to this thread is out of line.

You could have just started a thread explaining what you had to offer, and what the benefits of your groups abilities are without making the statements that you choose to use.

I for one do not care at this point what you have to offer, I don't need anything you have to offer and my limited support doesn't mean anything to you. But when you come on one of the largest billiards forums around and make the comments you are making there are many who will be offended. If you wanted a loyalty check to see how your comments will effect the market you have succeeded.

 

[MoonshineMattK]

I do not understand why most AZ members feel like meeting new ideas with extreme negativity.....

But I have become accustomed to it

 

[Matt90]

where ? do they get these people ?

:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw&feature=related

 

[manwon]

I do not understand why most AZ members feel like meeting new ideas with extreme negativity.....

But I have become accustomed to it

At least I made a comment which offered an opinion based upon this thread. My comments are based upon meeting new idea's, whatever that means but I do not have to agree with statements made. But when some one starts a thread in a negative manner it opens up the thread to negative comments.

I am glad you have become accustom to it, however, I never will be able to. When some one intentionally starts a thread in search of drama on a forum with as many members as this forum has they will find it.

Sorry if you do not understand that.