What happened to the old cue gallery

tikkler

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am I the only one who has noticed the big difference on this gallery......... what used to be mostly people posting pics of there newly acquired cues and cases........has now turned into mostly newer cuemakers using this site for free advertising to try and sell there cues.

It seems like so many posts now start out with HEY LOOK AT WHAT I AM BUILDING FOR HANK.....and by the way these other four are for sale...lol

I dig a lot of the newer cuemakers.......but what happened to all the old faithfu, AZers
 
Free advertising is how it should be. In a world ran buy large producing factories, the little guy should get some extra room. They do spend a lot of time, money, and passion on what you pay for, so the craft, i believe, is not respected which means the game is not respected when people complain about someone selling what they love to do. Az has grown in popularity because of reasons like that. On top of that, alot of people are paying members. And most those people do that out of respect for the money az has made them. THIS IS THE GREATEST BILLIARD COMMUNITY ON THE PLANET. for reasons that are being complained about in this thread. Sorry for sounding blunt. Felt I should explain.
 
am I the only one who has noticed the big difference on this gallery......... what used to be mostly people posting pics of there newly acquired cues and cases........has now turned into mostly newer cuemakers using this site for free advertising to try and sell there cues.

It seems like so many posts now start out with HEY LOOK AT WHAT I AM BUILDING FOR HANK.....and by the way these other four are for sale...lol

I dig a lot of the newer cuemakers.......but what happened to all the old faithfu, AZers

Steve, i've noticed the same thing and i've wondered why more people don't post pictures of their cues especially something new to them.

James
 
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Free advertising is how it should be. In a world ran buy large producing factories, the little guy should get some extra room. They do spend a lot of time, money, and passion on what you pay for, so the craft, i believe, is not respected which means the game is not respected when people complain about someone selling what they love to do. Az has grown in popularity because of reasons like that. On top of that, alot of people are paying members. And most those people do that out of respect for the money az has made them. THIS IS THE GREATEST BILLIARD COMMUNITY ON THE PLANET. for reasons that are being complained about in this thread. Sorry for sounding blunt. Felt I should explain.



The craft....the game....not being well respected. Is that what you got out of what I said? That's all I do is have incredible respect for any cuemaker. But this joint has changed. Has it not?
 
I finally posted my family pics...mine was out of laziness and a really crappy camera that I had (just got a new one)!

Honestly, that's been one of the main reasons I haven't posted pics...especially of the individual cues...I hated to show them off when I couldn't make them come even close to looking as good as they do in person...it all boiled down to "picture envy"! :p

I agree that I would like to see more of people's individual cues they're proud of (or even cues they're not proud of :p ), but I have to say I also enjoy seeing the pics from cuemakers...especially the "progress" pics!!!
 
am i the only one who has noticed the big difference on this gallery......... What used to be mostly people posting pics of there newly acquired cues and cases........has now turned into mostly newer cuemakers using this site for free advertising to try and sell there cues.

It seems like so many posts now start out with hey look at what i am building for hank.....and by the way these other four are for sale...lol

i dig a lot of the newer cuemakers.......but what happened to all the old faithfu, azers
hey i posted my new 8 point vollmer. Man what a player!!
 
am I the only one who has noticed the big difference on this gallery......... what used to be mostly people posting pics of there newly acquired cues and cases........has now turned into mostly newer cuemakers using this site for free advertising to try and sell there cues.

It seems like so many posts now start out with HEY LOOK AT WHAT I AM BUILDING FOR HANK.....and by the way these other four are for sale...lol

I dig a lot of the newer cuemakers.......but what happened to all the old faithfu, AZers



Steve things have certainly changed, but I agree that things use to be much better. I hope things will change in time, but only time will tell.

Take Care
 
am I the only one who has noticed the big difference on this gallery......... what used to be mostly people posting pics of there newly acquired cues and cases........has now turned into mostly newer cuemakers using this site for free advertising to try and sell there cues.

It seems like so many posts now start out with HEY LOOK AT WHAT I AM BUILDING FOR HANK.....and by the way these other four are for sale...lol

I dig a lot of the newer cuemakers.......but what happened to all the old faithfu, AZers

Actually i'm all for the changes and new additions of cuemakers coming in and showing their craft with pictorial description of how a certain cue is made or for who.
For people like me who do not have the good fortune of ever visiting a cuemaker or understand how a cue is made, it's a blessing to be able to see them pictures. And i reckon it's the new cue makers who are more tech-savvy and inclined to share the processs. I do hope they continue with such postings as i think it adds colour to this forum.

I definitely wouldn't say it has changed from the old times, rather an addition.

Importantly there's only these few collectors on AZ that are fortunate enough to add new cues to their collection every now and then... therefore allowing them to share updated pictures. I know i would definitely share if i have new cues come in....but unfortunately i don't have any and can only admire what's for sale on this forum or in the gallery. So i think the main reason you're not seeing that many new postings of new cues own is because most of them have been shown..

As for the newer cue makers capitalising this platform to do some free marketing, i really think it's a good idea. Personally i haven't seen anyone of them hard selling, rather i see them showing off their skills and craft and selling their hardwork. It's more of a they show and you decide if it's up your alley, ain't gonna force u to buy nothing kind of thing. That i have no problems with. Besides, newer cue makers have a hard time and if they still don't have the platform to showcase their ability then i think there won't be anymore aspiring young cue makers...
 
steve

i really enjoy seeing your pictures
i don't get out much and your cues are really providing pleasure
 
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Steve things have certainly changed, but I agree that things use to be much better. I hope things will change in time, but only time will tell.

Take Care



I sure hope more folks start posting there new cues again....soon. I have a whole bunch of brand new high end bueties coming, and I am wondering if I should show them on here
 
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Actually i'm all for the changes and new additions of cuemakers coming in and showing their craft with pictorial description of how a certain cue is made or for who.
For people like me who do not have the good fortune of ever visiting a cuemaker or understand how a cue is made, it's a blessing to be able to see them pictures. And i reckon it's the new cue makers who are more tech-savvy and inclined to share the processs. I do hope they continue with such postings as i think it adds colour to this forum.

I definitely wouldn't say it has changed from the old times, rather an addition.

Importantly there's only these few collectors on AZ that are fortunate enough to add new cues to their collection every now and then... therefore allowing them to share updated pictures. I know i would definitely share if i have new cues come in....but unfortunately i don't have any and can only admire what's for sale on this forum or in the gallery. So i think the main reason you're not seeing that many new postings of new cues own is because most of them have been shown..

As for the newer cue makers capitalising this platform to do some free marketing, i really think it's a good idea. Personally i haven't seen anyone of them hard selling, rather i see them showing off their skills and craft and selling their hardwork. It's more of a they show and you decide if it's up your alley, ain't gonna force u to buy nothing kind of thing. That i have no problems with. Besides, newer cue makers have a hard time and if they still don't have the platform to showcase their ability then i think there won't be anymore aspiring young cue makers...

There are more new cuemakers now than there EVER was. Buy yourself a cheap lathe....buy some blanks and off you go....your a cuemaker. Shouldnt they put in the time and effort that the established cuemakers have done?????
 
Shouldnt they put in the time and effort that the established cuemakers have done?????

Isn't that exactly what they are doing?

The only difference is that in the old days there wasn't an audience for the process simply because there was no internet. They are still doing the same thing...just with an audience.

Who is to say that Rambow, Spain, Balabushka, or Martin wouldn't have been on AZB posting pics had such a thing been possible?

Personally, I am not just interested in seeing stuff from "established" cue makers. After all, if that is all we saw, how would we have any real perspective on the work? In addition, the entire process of the evolution of the cue maker is inherently interesting to a lot of people.

I read these forums for years before I signed up. I used them for research about cues. But most of what I know about cues I learned long before I found these forums. Regardless of that I am now provided a window into the construction of the cues I love so much, even when I cannot afford them. I have set foot in only one cue makers shop, that was Paul Mottey's shop, but these forums allow me a virtual visit almost daily into the shops of many others. We get to see not only the end product but the actual process. More than that we get to express an opinion smetimes about how a cue might be completed because a maker will ask what we think.

There are both positives and negatives to the evolution of this particular forum, the gallery, and I prefer to concentrate on the positives. As much as the dealers and collectors sometimes seem to have so much "authority", the fact is that it is the cue maker that is at the center of all of this. If the cue makers see fit to open their work to this forum then I say "thank you" for the opportunity to peek.

Your own contributions here are extremely valuable. We get to see things that otherwise would be far beyond the scope of our view. But that is exactly what is afforded us when the cue makers contribute here and I feel the value is no less.

It is my great hope that you would continue to post pictures and stories of your cues. It is also my great hope that not a single cue maker would ever feel pushed aside in favor of a dealer or collector in this forum or anywhere else for that matter. I support the cue makers first, no matter their level of skill or experience because the rest of us, no matter how many cues we own, or how expensive they might be, or how great our buying power might be, are merely the audience.

Cue makers in general are not getting rich engaging in their craft. If participating in the gallery helps them get their next order and I get to see another cue here then I say "bravo" and "thank you". Why should the fact that one made or is making a cue exclude one from a gallery? In fact, if one goes to an art gallery, is not the art for sale?

Lastly, you have a lot of cues you can show off. You know we all dig it and go ape-shit over the beautiful cues you have. This particular thread contains no cue pictures, yet is posted in the gallery. How about including a pic in this thread? Just one? You know that your collection is among the most popular things among those who love cues...we always want to see more....can't get enough of it....almost need it like air....

I for one, because I put myself deeply in debt educating myself and taking care of my family, will probably never be able to afford a single cue of the caliber of any cue you have. So please, show off, show more.....:smile:
 
There are more new cuemakers now than there EVER was. Buy yourself a cheap lathe....buy some blanks and off you go....your a cuemaker. Shouldnt they put in the time and effort that the established cuemakers have done?????

i for one see no problem with cuemakers posting pics of cues in progress, whether they be new cuemakers or the more established cuemakers.

i assume when you say established cuemakers that you are talking about black boar, gina cue etc, etc. the internet did not exsist or at the least was in its infancy when such cuemakers started making cues. for that matter niether was this forum.

i do understand your viewpoint but i think you are discrediting a lot of new cuemakers craftsmanship by lumping them all in the category such as you described in your 1st sentence.

btw i am curious about your last sentence. as for these newer or shall i say less established cuemakers, what do you think is an appropriate time frame that they toil in their shops before being allowed to showcase their products in the same forum with the more established cuemakers?
 
darn doc ! i was typing while you posted. basically the same viewpoint just different words lol.
 
darn doc ! i was typing while you posted. basically the same viewpoint just different words lol.


Yeah well...that's my problem...too many words to say something simple. :D

I should just PM you and ask you to post. LOL! :thumbup:


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There are more new cuemakers now than there EVER was. Buy yourself a cheap lathe....buy some blanks and off you go....your a cuemaker. Shouldnt they put in the time and effort that the established cuemakers have done?????

There most certainly are more cue makers now than there used to be, but demand has also increased so supplies naturally follows.
Some of the bigger name cue makers have retired, and a few of the top tier ones are not getting any younger and although they are still making cues now i'm not sure for how long more (eq, blackboar, gina..).
A clear sign that demand has increased is in the long wait that one has to endure to get some of the custom cues such as Southwest (10yrs), Hercek (I think 7years but book has closed for now), Jeff Olney (7-8yrs? i could be mistaken), Szamboti, Showman, Mobley, Searing...the list goes on for these elusive cue makers.

It's great that more and more young cue makers are coming into the game, i think it ups the game every once in a while and also helps steer the sport as a whole.

However i do feel you when you say that some "cue-makers" are like assemblers (reminds me of the horology world...), but i think that's a very small percentage of them. I reckon potential buyers who lurks in AZ long enough know when to avoid them. But people always start somewhere and starting out here on AZ is a great way to allow budding cue makers or simply cue enthusiasts to spar on the subject and improve their skills..
 
I sure hope more folks start posting there new cues again....soon. I have a whole bunch of brand new high end bueties coming, and I am wondering if I should show them on here



I can only hope you do, where will I get my idea's for my next design if you don't Steve!!!!:D

Seriously please continue, and maybe others will see the trend and follow it. I always enjoy your posts Steve, whether it's pictures of your room, which I really loved by the way or pictures of your cue collection.

I always learn something new every day on this forum, and for me the cue gallery is the place to be!!!

Thanks for the reply Steve.
 
i for one see no problem with cuemakers posting pics of cues in progress, whether they be new cuemakers or the more established cuemakers.

i assume when you say established cuemakers that you are talking about black boar, gina cue etc, etc. the internet did not exsist or at the least was in its infancy when such cuemakers started making cues. for that matter niether was this forum.

i do understand your viewpoint but i think you are discrediting a lot of new cuemakers craftsmanship by lumping them all in the category such as you described in your 1st sentence.

btw i am curious about your last sentence. as for these newer or shall i say less established cuemakers, what do you think is an appropriate time frame that they toil in their shops before being allowed to showcase their products in the same forum with the more established cuemakers?[/QUOTE]



I will offer my opinion concerning your question above, however, it only applies to me. Since I started making cues in approximately 2006 I have had certain expectations for myself before I will truly call myself a cue maker. I think in the true sense a cue maker should be able to produce cues from blanks that they make themselves and to go along with that until they can they are a hobbiest. When I say blanks I do not mean plain solid wood forearms, I am talking about Re-cut, V-Spliced or Full Spliced forearms or cues. I think that when someone is using nothing but purchased blanks they are a Hobbiest and should not be confused with the great Cue Makers we have today.

Now before someone says this I will say it myself. I am aware of the history of cue making. I am aware that one of the greatest cue makers known did make his own blanks ( George Balabushka ) but to those that will remind me of this I would say the following. When George was making cues and even before his time there was never such a vast array of equipment available. You could not just buy blanks or other cues parts on line like people have been able to do for the last thirty years. In fact back in the day no one really cared if you made the blanks or if the blanks were purchased, the only think that mattered was the way the cue played and the design used.

Like I said above these are the standards I apply to myself, others may feel and rightly so that nothing I have said above really matters. But with the competition today between cue makers buyers are starting to care more and more. Those who build their own blanks and make a consistently great hitting cue in most cases are getting the big bucks and in my opinion they deserve it because they have paid their dues with the interest, and technical ability needed to succeed where others have failed.

Still a Hobbiest!~
 
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