AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest

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LAlouie said:
Builders stock up on their woods. There shouldn't be a wait when it comes to aged woods, and builders who have been in the business for years have years of collected woods. I don't think a builder with Stroud's rep will depend on someone else's design to build his "final cue". Furthermore it would an expensive sonofagun with maxed out ivory inlays. And if he was going to GIVE it to anyone, I would think some of his biggest wealthiest collectors would be apropos as they would have invested in Stroud the most. It would be mighty benevolent of him to give such a cue away in a design contest, but that''s not him.
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Have you read the original thread? Any of it? Bill Stroud was quite convincing in his opinions about cuemaking, and the need for fresh new designs. He appeared to be excited to create something for someone from this site.

He didn't just initiate the contest. He fueled it, posting over and over again, encouraging the participants. (I was not one of the participants, as I have no creative ability in this regard. I simply enjoyed reading the thread and it's progress.)

I suggest that those who are claiming that people are out of line being upset about this, should go find the thread, and read it, so that they might understand this a little better.
 
justadub said:
Have you read the original thread? Any of it? Bill Stroud was quite convincing in his opinions about cuemaking, and the need for fresh new designs. He appeared to be excited to create something for someone from this site.

He didn't just initiate the contest. He fueled it, posting over and over again, encouraging the participants. (I was not one of the participants, as I have no creative ability in this regard. I simply enjoyed reading the thread and it's progress.)

I suggest that those who are claiming that people are out of line being upset about this, should go find the thread, and read it, so that they might understand this a little better.
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AM I MISREADING SOMETHING?? ORIGINAL POST LINKED

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Post #1

"Design Your Dream - 09-30-2010, 12:35 PM

I am starting a new thread call Design Your Dream. I am offering the opportunity for anyone, player, cuemaker, collector, interested party to design the cue of their dreams. I will make it free of charge no matter what the price.

The rules are simple:

Present your design online on the AZ Billiards Main forum or the Cue and Case Gallery forum.

No gold, diamonds or other precious stones.

The design must consist of the usual cue materials. wood, ivory, silver, etc.

It can be as plain or as fancy as you like.

After a certain period, I will pick the 5 top designs.

Anyone that submitted a design can then vote for the design they like best.

I will make that design and present it to the winner at no charge.

Bill Stroud "

 
CocoboloCowboy said:
"Design Your Dream - 09-30-2010, 12:35 PM

I am starting a new thread call Design Your Dream. I am offering the opportunity for anyone, player, cuemaker, collector, interested party to design the cue of their dreams. I will make it free of charge no matter what the price.

I will make that design and present it to the winner at no charge.

Bill Stroud "
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Since Bill Stroud didn't say when he would present the cue to the winner, it appears to me that you'll all have to wait awhile. ;)
 
justadub said:
Have you read the original thread? Any of it? Bill Stroud was quite convincing in his opinions about cuemaking, and the need for fresh new designs. He appeared to be excited to create something for someone from this site.

He didn't just initiate the contest. He fueled it, posting over and over again, encouraging the participants. (I was not one of the participants, as I have no creative ability in this regard. I simply enjoyed reading the thread and it's progress.)

I suggest that those who are claiming that people are out of line being upset about this, should go find the thread, and read it, so that they might understand this a little better.
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I've heard it all before. SO? If you've read any part of my posts, then you know that I think Stroud was just stroking you all.:grin-square:
 
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LAlouie said:
I've heard it all before. SO? If you've read any part of my posts, then you know that I think Stroud was just stroking you all.:grin-square:
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So are you suggesting that because he wasn't genuine in his intent (according to your suspicion) he shouldn't be held accountable for the contest that he started? To me, that is what this is all about.

For the record, I don't believe the cue will ever be made, but that's just my own suspicions.
 
jay helfert said:
I do know Billy has been playing a lot of pool again lately. I also know it normally takes him 2-3 years to build a new cue from scratch. I may be going out on a limb but I'm betting the cue in question WILL be made. Just call it an educated guess.
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I feel this way too Jay, but he's not responding even on the one pocket forum. Either some health issues have come up, or he's making the cue right now, or he's walkin' away from game (which I don't think so) or since he knows as good as anyone how pool players think he's playin' us. Not many other options other than car accident, I know someone I'll ask away from the pool world, see if I can help.
 
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kvinbrwr said:
Anybody that would give money to a guy burned in a pool cue contest when Mike Kennedy needs dough is a bozo.

Anybody that would give money to Mike Kennedy when there are kids dying from Leukemia needs their head examined.

Anybody that would give money to kids with Leukemia when there are kids starving from birth is thoughtless.

Anybody that would buy anything but the most standard used car and donate the rest to charity deserves shame.

Bava, I'm sure while you are typing your judgement here there is no way you are holding anything but the most basic of pool cues. No way you'd have anything of value when any cue would do just as well and you could sell the cue of value and give the dough to Mike Kennedy. Matter of fact, why not get the ball rolling and donate your cues to Mike Kennedy so we can watch him create 213879135523865 threads to sell them?
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:thumbup2:
 
I dunno

but my Dad told me that a man is only as good as his word, so when you give your word, keep it!!! Did your Dad ever tell you something similiar??

It is one thing to be an unhonorable man for most of your life, and everyone knows it, but it is especially hard to believe that an honorable man for almost their entire life can do something unhonorable and fall off the face of the earth...
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Since Bill Stroud didn't say when he would present the cue to the winner, it appears to me that you'll all have to wait awhile. ;)
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But there is a something call a reasonable amount of time, and in this case I am not sure what is reasonable.:confused: But like I said before neither party. Aka the Winner, or Cuemaker have chosen to share "in public" what has happen, or what information has been exchanged between the winner, and Cuemaker about delivery of the prize design.

So maybe the time has come for the other concerned parties to find a charity in need of volunteers, and do something more productive with their time.

As it is Tuesday it is my Library Recycle Day, the day I go to the local community library, and get magazines the library is throwing away, & taking them to the local Elk Club,

From their the the Elks distribute them to the local homeless shelter, VA Medical Facility, so someone get another reading or two out of unwanted items.
 
Snapshot9 said:
but my Dad told me that a man is only as good as his word, so when you give your word, keep it!!! Did your Dad ever tell you something similiar??

It is one thing to be an unhonorable man for most of your life, and everyone knows it, but it is especially hard to believe that an honorable man for almost their entire life can do something unhonorable and fall off the face of the earth...
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It is worth pointing out that a man of such honor should do everything to maintain the respect that is earned through living a life of honor. To allow his good name to be dragged through the dirt in such a way may just be the reason for all the doubts being expressed about him now. He himself made the offer to make the cue and it is up to him to honor that commitment.
 
Snapshot9 said:
but my Dad told me that a man is only as good as his word, so when you give your word, keep it!!! Did your Dad ever tell you something similiar??

It is one thing to be an unhonorable man for most of your life, and everyone knows it, but it is especially hard to believe that an honorable man for almost their entire life can do something unhonorable and fall off the face of the earth...
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Yep, and toss in honesty and itegrity and you've got my Dad in nutshell + he was a great provider after WWII.
 
justadub said:
So are you suggesting that because he wasn't genuine in his intent (according to your suspicion) he shouldn't be held accountable for the contest that he started? To me, that is what this is all about.

For the record, I don't believe the cue will ever be made, but that's just my own suspicions.
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I'm saying, he shouldn't have offered in the first place because it was NEVER going to happen, and I'm saying no, he shouldn't be held "accountable" if accountable means you think he owes anybody anything. Call it what you want, dismissive of your trust maybe or he doesn't own up to his promises, but he doesn't "owe" anything. He could be reading this thread right now and he still won't do anything about it.
 
LAlouie said:
I'm saying, he shouldn't have offered in the first place because it was NEVER going to happen, and I'm saying no, he shouldn't be held "accountable" if accountable means you think he owes anybody anything. Call it what you want, dismissive of your trust maybe or he doesn't own up to his promises, but he doesn't "owe" anything. He could be reading this thread right now and he still won't do anything about it.
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you have a nice vocabulary but you don't make much sense.

and you seem to do a fair amount of speculating and stating it as if it were fact.

best,
brian kc
 
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iba7467 said:
My $160 to your $55 he does not complete by 12/11/12. That's nearly 3:1 for 6 more months. I wish I had accepted the even money offer originally but I didn't want to risk your hedge.
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as per our pm stips, you got action!

I got a good feeling about this one. :rolleyes: :smile: :D

good luck!

best,
brian kc
 
I sent a very small deposit to him years ago to make me a cue. This is around the time the internet was relatively new and he had his website with make your own cue designs. Anyways I never heard anything back from him. Later I figured my deposit (few hundred) was too small to be taken seriously (I honestly did not know any better what a respectable deposit amount for a Josswest might be). I just never followed up with him either so I share the blame. But, still if it was me, and I am taking somebody's money/order, I would feel obligated to at least email or call the person to speak about the order or refund the money. So, my point being is that this thread is not too much a surprise to me. It's all about character, or lack of. Anyhow things work out for a reason and I could not be happier with the two cues I own today.
 
Can we just all agree that he is a POS and get on with our lives?:confused:

Oh, and i volunteered some $ to buy a cue for the "victim" . . .
 
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