600 ball run on Virtual Pool 4

John Novak said:
Nobody said it was REAL POOL.....Its a simulator... A tool for learning position play, speed of the shot, where the cueball goes after contact , all the principals of real life play. Practice kicking systems, banks. The physics is as close to real life as it gets. And as far as tiger woods, your swing is not always perfect, unless you are playing on 2 click, On true swing its a totally different ball game. Virtual Pool isnt any different than any other Simulator.. FLight simulator etc. It gives you all the principals of collisions of spheres, applied english cloth speed rail speed squirt swerve etc. a lot of work went into this. Nothing can replace the real thing, however its the next best thing to real.
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With me, the swing is always perfect. You have to learn how to "monkey thumb." I haven't played the kinect or xbox or the true-swing-- just the analog (I quit playing about 3 years ago). A few years ago, I was accepting action for "whatever" with anyone on planet earth on the ps3. I lost a few times due to bad beats or others that were sick enough to mathematically master the game the way I did - but they were super few and far between. I could swing to any % at will. The way EA beat guys like me was to develop the shot circle where the ball randomly falls within a specific area. Prior to that, don't bet against me -- I was playing to make every shot from the fairway. That shot circle was created specifically to defeat "beaters."

I used to play VP. I didn't put any time into it but if I did, I'd do really well because I know how to develop methods for video games. My point is given a guaranteed straight stroke -- the game is beatable to death if you put in the time to develop the method. What VP should do is build in a random deviation to each stroke -- or create some form of randomness to the stroke vector. Otherwise, it's not realistic as people think. A beater will just develop a method for the speed, aim and other aspects. English wouldn't matter as much because you'd spear balls in from everywhere.

The guy didn't run 600 without figuring out how to use the aim line in an incognito fashion or figure an aim method that was a lock. Just saying.
 
DoubleD said:
That is virtually awesome. Think of all the virtual money he'll make and all the virtual praise he'll get from all of his virtual fans. Think of how much I'd virtually care in a virtual world. Hell, I think I'll buy him a virtual drink.

Then think of all the actual time he wasted.

dld
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lol good point but i been playing that while i was laid up it does kinda help with patterns its just a fun game to play when you cant play the real thing
 
Take it for what it is, a simulation game about pool. And a damn good one at that. It can be a great alternative for those who don't have a table at home. It's not the same as the real thing and I don't think anyone is saying that it is.

And no this is not a video game forum, but this is a pool forum who happens to advertise this game, so I think it has all the required relevancy. So don't get your panties in a bunch DD, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it any less relevant.

No one is forcing you to read about it. Geez.

And a 600 run is tuff, so long as he didn't use a aiming aid (tangent line). I have not had a chance to see the video yet.
 
Is Dead Eye Dan still the top VP dog? I'm curious to see if the computer's pattern play in VP4 is better than his was in VP1.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Is Dead Eye Dan still the top VP dog? I'm curious to see if the computer's pattern play in VP4 is better than his was in VP1.
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No comparison to VP1 Steve Chaplin has out done himself on this version. Tremendous work went into the physics on this simulator. You really need to see it to understand
 
DoubleD said:
Maybe because this is a pool forum, not a video game forum. I don't go to the Grand Theft Auto forum and talk about how many hookers I actually ran over last weekend just because they pretend to run over hookers.

dld
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I think you're right, video games actually have a following, unlike pool.
 
it would be interesting to see some other random things incorporated into the game like crooked tables, wet boingy playing conditions, dead rails, dirty balls that increase the chance of skid shots, miscues if you dont chalk up, sharking from the rail and your oppponent, slug racks, increased inconsistency of a straight stroke if you have to come with it off the rail or jacked up over a ball etc.
 
uwate said:
it would be interesting to see some other random things incorporated into the game like crooked tables, wet boingy playing conditions, dead rails, dirty balls that increase the chance of skid shots, miscues if you dont chalk up, sharking from the rail and your oppponent, slug racks, increased inconsistency of a straight stroke if you have to come with it off the rail or jacked up over a ball etc.
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Well considering it cost about 30 bucks and its a simulator, it plays remarkably life like. Nothing can replace real life pool, however its a great learning tool. Even flight simulators for PC's, pilots will agree how realistic they are. But they dont cost 30 million like a real flight simulator.

Some narrow minded people in here cant grasp the concept, and thats fine. Dont read it or comment on it. Its not for everyone. But if anyone cant see the benifit to this then I feel sorry for them. Its no different than reading books on pool, we have all read them...we have all bought them, and we have all learned from them. VP4 is just another learning tool to test out different aspect of pool......enough said
 
John Novak said:
Well considering it cost about 30 bucks and its a simulator, it plays remarkably life like. Nothing can replace real life pool, however its a great learning tool. Even flight simulators for PC's, pilots will agree how realistic they are. But they dont cost 30 million like a real flight simulator.

Some narrow minded people in here cant grasp the concept, and thats fine. Dont read it or comment on it. Its not for everyone. But if anyone cant see the benifit to this then I feel sorry for them. Its no different than reading books on pool, we have all read them...we have all bought them, and we have all learned from them. VP4 is just another learning tool to test out different aspect of pool......enough said
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Sounds like it makes sense but who's game is actually significantly better from playing Virtual Pool? My guess is nobody.

It's a video game. Nothing more. Please don't make it out to be something more than it is.
 
JohnPT said:
Sounds like it makes sense but who's game is actually significantly better from playing Virtual Pool? My guess is nobody.

It's a video game. Nothing more. Please don't make it out to be something more than it is.
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Im not making it out to be anything other than what it is. Its a POOL SIMULATOR........what word dont you understand geezzz I think next time I'll post in crayon........
 
A combination of the simulator and real play CAN help your game. I know it's helped mine, but just playing the game alone probably won't do much for you.

It obviously won't help with developing fundamentals or a nice stroke, but it's great for aiming, kicks, banks, and patterns. Almost the same way watching pro matches on youtube can be beneficial.
 
BeiberLvr said:
A combination of the simulator and real play CAN help your game. I know it's helped mine, but just playing the game alone probably won't do much for you.

It obviously won't help with developing fundamentals or a nice stroke, but it's great for aiming, kicks, banks, and patterns. Almost the same way watching pro matches on youtube can be beneficial.
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Exactally. finally someone who gets it..
 
JohnPT said:
Sounds like it makes sense but who's game is actually significantly better from playing Virtual Pool? My guess is nobody. ...
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I felt that VP helped me with patterns at 14.1. I played it in a mode where aiming was not an issue but getting on the right side of balls was. It helped me see ways to get through racks easily.
 
It's actually kind of mesmerizing to watch...lol. I think "gaming" takes a bit of a skill too. But I still would bet on myself playing this virtual pool guy. :thumbup:
 
John Novak said:
Well considering it cost about 30 bucks and its a simulator, it plays remarkably life like. Nothing can replace real life pool, however its a great learning tool. Even flight simulators for PC's, pilots will agree how realistic they are. But they dont cost 30 million like a real flight simulator.

Some narrow minded people in here cant grasp the concept, and thats fine. Dont read it or comment on it. Its not for everyone. But if anyone cant see the benifit to this then I feel sorry for them. Its no different than reading books on pool, we have all read them...we have all bought them, and we have all learned from them. VP4 is just another learning tool to test out different aspect of pool......enough said
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John, please don't think my earlier comments were degrading in any way. I was just commenting on the 600 ball run not meaning a lot. That in no way implies VP4 isn't a complete work of art in game development.

Let me stress that again---- VP4 is the absolute best pool simulation ever created in the history of planet earth.

That said, runs and accomplishments in the game have no bearing or comparison to the level of difficulty of doing the same in real life. I can fly a Learjet from BWI to O'Hare in Flight Simulator and land perfectly at night, overcast skies w/ low ceiling and moderate turbulence. Pilots use FS all the time for basic training. That said, if we're ever in a plane and the pilot dies of a heart attack and I have to take the yoke to land the plane.....I have a huge chance of dying in that scenario.
 
I used to have a flight simulator.

I could easily fly a low level inverted pass over the run way in a 747.

Think I could do that with a real one?
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I used to have a flight simulator.

I could easily fly a low level inverted pass over the run way in a 747.

Think I could do that with a real one?
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If the simulator was any good, yes, you could. Was the simulator any good?

I've seen some really bad pool simulators. VP has always been the most accurate simulator available.
 
Bob Jewett said:
If the simulator was any good, yes, you could. Was the simulator any good?

I've seen some really bad pool simulators. VP has always been the most accurate simulator available.
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I think the discussion is that just because a game is the most accurate available, doesn't mean it's equal to real-life in difficulty.

I've flown a Cessna around the outskirts of Phoenix during Super Bowl XXX and I recall thinking how impressed I was with how accurate the instrumentation was compared to Flight Simulator. That said -- Flight Simulator was NOTHING like sitting behind the yoke of a Cessna.

Conversely, the physics of VP are very realistic, but they're not life-like. You don't have humidity, dirty balls and all of the subtleties that you have in the real world. I'm not knocking the game as I've said a million times--- it's the most accurate pool simulation ever made. However, being the most accurate simulator every made is a far cry from the real thing. That's not knocking it's fun level, educational value, or anything like that. But if you run 50 in real life and run 50 in the game --- they're TOTALLY different 50's.
 
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