MOSCONI CUP 2012 Who Will Win This Year and Why?
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it's the top 5 by points with Europe
Yes, my understanding it's the top 5 by points with Europe and top 2 by points for USA Team....the other 3 are chosen
Yes, my understanding it's the top 5 by points with Europe and top 2 by points for USA Team....the other 3 are chosen
I think that it's the top two by points for both teams with the others chosen by Match Room, and they say in the choosing of the other three players for both teams the points will play a role in their considerations.
From the Mosconi Cup Website:
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How the teams will be picked
21 Apr 2009
European Ranking System, 2012 Mosconi Cup
The European Mosconi Cup Ranking will consist of 10 events - six Euro Tour events and four 'World' events. The 'World' events will carry approximately 50% more points due to the international strength of the field. Other events can and may be added to this list provided they fit the criteria.
Only players finishing in the last 32 of each event will be allocated points and at the conclusion, after the 2012 US Open, the top two players will automatically gain entry to the Mosconi Cup side.
The remaining three players will be Matchroom Sport wildcard picks although the ranking will play a part in this.
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USA Ranking System, 2012 Mosconi Cup
The American Mosconi Cup Ranking will consist of five events - all taking place within the USA.
Other events can and may be added to this list provided they fit the criteria.
Only players finishing in the last 32 of each event will be allocated points and at the conclusion, after the 2012 US Open, the top two players will automatically gain entry to the Mosconi Cup side.
The remaining three players will be Matchroom Sport wildcard picks although the ranking will play a part in this.
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I think that clears it up they are chosen the in the same manner, the only difference being which tournaments are used for point allocation.
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How do we start a grassroots movement for an invitation to be extended to Landon Shuffett?
Who's with me on this?
Who's with me on this?
Thanks...now let's make it 2 for 2. :wink:
So how does this fit in with the voting we have done @ AZ the last couple years?
I agree with you all the way and.....................
you know we've played we've talked.
And I think you yourself would be an excellent captain for the team.
Captain CJ, got a good ring to it too !
AHHA, I told ya it has a nice ring to it !
Congrats CJ, I know you will get the players into it way more than last year.
Big time good luck !
Team Europe will likely win.
The reason is this.
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings
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Europe's top/most active players on the actual professional world stage.
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1 Appleton, Darren
2 See, Huidji
10 Melling, Chris
11 Souquet, Ralf
13 Boyes, Karl
17 Immonen, Mika
18 Peach, Daryl
20 van den Berg, Nick
21 Hohmann, Thorsten
24 Ortmann, Oliver
31 Drago, Tony
33 Muratore, Bruno
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USA's top/most active players on the actual professional world stage.
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32 Van Boening, Shane
46 Archer, Johnny
66 Dominguez, Oscar
70 Putnam, Shawn
73 Eberle, Max
93 Lombardo, Hunter
94 Hatch, Dennis
107 Nevel, Larry
143 Williams, Charlie
150 Morris, Rodney
As one can see, the best player for team USA by far is ranked on the WPA lower then the top 11 Europeans. There are 11 Euro's who are more active and/or perform better on the true professional world stage then the best American player.
Other people who have played on team USA in recent years are not even close to any of the people that will be on team Europe as far as experience on the world stage (which is the true top level of professional pool). You cannot expect people who do not compete at the true elite level of the sport to have any chance against people that do, and the USA has 1 single player who even makes "some" effort to compete on that stage, and he is 32nd in the rankings and is team USA's golden boy who they put all their hopes on.
There are almost no players in the USA who actually play true pro pool anymore, people who actually make their living playing events and getting sponsorship to cover the costs. One can argue forever as to the reasons why that is, but the reality is that there are ALOT of players from Europe who actually DO play professional pool and make an effort to get out there and play in the top end tournaments with the $30,000+ first place prizes and compete against the best players on this planet, most of whom come from Asia. Most of the players from the USA never attempt to win an event like the Japan Open or the China open and most do not play in the world 9-ball or 10-ball championships, the players from Europe play those events and they are WAY more battle hardened and flat out better players because of it.
The reason is this.
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/rankings
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Europe's top/most active players on the actual professional world stage.
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1 Appleton, Darren
2 See, Huidji
10 Melling, Chris
11 Souquet, Ralf
13 Boyes, Karl
17 Immonen, Mika
18 Peach, Daryl
20 van den Berg, Nick
21 Hohmann, Thorsten
24 Ortmann, Oliver
31 Drago, Tony
33 Muratore, Bruno
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USA's top/most active players on the actual professional world stage.
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32 Van Boening, Shane
46 Archer, Johnny
66 Dominguez, Oscar
70 Putnam, Shawn
73 Eberle, Max
93 Lombardo, Hunter
94 Hatch, Dennis
107 Nevel, Larry
143 Williams, Charlie
150 Morris, Rodney
As one can see, the best player for team USA by far is ranked on the WPA lower then the top 11 Europeans. There are 11 Euro's who are more active and/or perform better on the true professional world stage then the best American player.
Other people who have played on team USA in recent years are not even close to any of the people that will be on team Europe as far as experience on the world stage (which is the true top level of professional pool). You cannot expect people who do not compete at the true elite level of the sport to have any chance against people that do, and the USA has 1 single player who even makes "some" effort to compete on that stage, and he is 32nd in the rankings and is team USA's golden boy who they put all their hopes on.
There are almost no players in the USA who actually play true pro pool anymore, people who actually make their living playing events and getting sponsorship to cover the costs. One can argue forever as to the reasons why that is, but the reality is that there are ALOT of players from Europe who actually DO play professional pool and make an effort to get out there and play in the top end tournaments with the $30,000+ first place prizes and compete against the best players on this planet, most of whom come from Asia. Most of the players from the USA never attempt to win an event like the Japan Open or the China open and most do not play in the world 9-ball or 10-ball championships, the players from Europe play those events and they are WAY more battle hardened and flat out better players because of it.
You should polish your glasses or learn to read a little better.
He is in the rankings and on the list I posted.
Celtic said:
So WTG, you have a guy who competes internationally that is 93rd on the rankings, the Euros are sure in trouble now!
i really believe earl would be a plus. he is the one person that could throw europe off their game. nothing against r. morris but i would def not pick him. archer would be my other pick - for sure. lombardo would be a great team player but how will he handle pressure? not sure - maybe great?
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You should polish your glasses or learn to read a little better.
He is in the rankings and on the list I posted.
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Yes he is ,however I was referring to this that you wrote:
"You cannot expect people who do not compete at the true elite level of the sport to have any chance against people that do,
and the USA has 1 single player who even makes "some" effort to compete on that stage,
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and he is 32nd in the rankings and is team USA's golden boy who they put all their hopes on."
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Maybe you should try to remember what you write.
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This is exactly right.This alone may have been the single biggest factor for some of the past losses.
Team USA's prep was poor and they tried to play catch up the hole time.They need to practice some together to get the feel of each others play and someone strong enough has to keep them accountable for the preparation as a group.
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Fundamentals and discipline
Watching the Cup every year, I can't help but notice (from a critical Instructor's point of view) that the Euros have stronger fundamentals. You rarely see any head motion or wavering of the cue on follow through, as you do with the Americans.
Not that the USers aren't great players, but sound fundamentals sure help in crunch time. It also appears that the Euros are generally more serious about their conditioning.
One of my buddies says, "The Americans are learning that you can't win just by having the biggest ego!"
Watching the Cup every year, I can't help but notice (from a critical Instructor's point of view) that the Euros have stronger fundamentals. You rarely see any head motion or wavering of the cue on follow through, as you do with the Americans.
Not that the USers aren't great players, but sound fundamentals sure help in crunch time. It also appears that the Euros are generally more serious about their conditioning.
One of my buddies says, "The Americans are learning that you can't win just by having the biggest ego!"
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Although Rodney Morris is a great player, for some strange reason, Rodney doesn't play well in the Mosconi Cup. I think Team USA would do well by not having Rodney on the team.