What's Good About A Good Stroke?

He's a part time ninja and can rip bark off trees

Tony_in_MD said:
Really? How do you explain the players with lesser hand strength and strong stokes.

Alex P. comes to mind. Do you think he has strong hands?
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Has Alex ever grabbed your arm? He's a part time ninja and can rip bark off trees. :groucho:

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Funny...Mosconi never lifted weights in his life; didn't even have a particularly strong handshake, and yet still managed 15 world championships, plus a record run that has held up for almost 60 years...I wonder how he managed that without being able to "rip bark off trees"? Like Efren, I guess he just got "lucky"! LMAO

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

cjssecrets4u2 said:
Has Alex ever grabbed your arm? He's a part time ninja and can rip bark off trees. :groucho:

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Scott Lee said:
Funny...Mosconi never lifted weights in his life; didn't even have a particularly strong handshake, and yet still managed 15 world championships, plus a record run that has held up for almost 60 years...I wonder how he managed that without being able to "rip bark off trees"? Like Efren, I guess he just got "lucky"! LMAO

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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And Chuck Norris is only good at pool cause the balls pocket themselves.
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
Has Alex ever grabbed your arm? He's a part time ninja and can rip bark off trees. :groucho:

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Can't help but ask -- what are we delving into now? The Tim Allen school of "pool excellence"?

Will we have a "Top Gear" episode on which pool player has the strongest hands?

Scott Lee said:
Funny...Mosconi never lifted weights in his life; didn't even have a particularly strong handshake, and yet still managed 15 world championships, plus a record run that has held up for almost 60 years...I wonder how he managed that without being able to "rip bark off trees"? LMAO

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Good observation. Although Mosconi was "touched" (talent-wise), I don't think he used "touch of inside" or relied upon grip/wrist strength at all. In fact, quite the contrary -- it'd been debated (e.g. in the 14.1 forum) whether he used a slip stroke, which would present the opposite dilemma.

-Sean
 
Luther Lassiter hung a ball one time

Slasher said:
And Chuck Norris is only good at pool cause the balls pocket themselves.
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I heard Luther Lassiter hung a ball one time, the ball looked up and saw it was Luther and jumped back into the pocket. :eek:
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Sean...Well at least we're FINALLY learning something from CJ...this time about "deflection". He 'deflects' real answers to real questions with the best of 'em! LOL

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

sfleinen said:
Can't help but ask -- what are we delving into now? The Tim Allen school of "pool excellence"?

Will we have a "Top Gear" episode on which pool player has the strongest hands?



Good observation. Although Mosconi was "touched" (talent-wise), I don't think he used "touch of inside" or relied upon grip/wrist strength at all. In fact, quite the contrary -- it'd been debated (e.g. in the 14.1 forum) whether he used a slip stroke, which would present the opposite dilemma.

-Sean
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his name certainly lives on and remains powerful

sfleinen said:
Can't help but ask -- what are we delving into now? The Tim Allen school of "pool excellence"?

Will we have a "Top Gear" episode on which pool player has the strongest hands?



Good observation. Although Mosconi was "touched" (talent-wise), I don't think he used "touch of inside" or relied upon grip/wrist strength at all. In fact, quite the contrary -- it'd been debated (e.g. in the 14.1 forum) whether he used a slip stroke, which would present the opposite dilemma.

-Sean
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I agree,Mosconi was a great player that's for sure, and yes, I did shake hands with him a time or two. He seemed to have a good grip to me. His name certainly lives on and remains powerful as well.

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cjssecrets4u2 said:
I agree,Mosconi was a great player that's for sure, and yes, I did shake hands with him a time or two. He seemed to have a good grip to me. And his name certainly lives on and remains powerful as well.

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See if you can get them to change the name of that event. Mosconi did not like 9-ball at all.
 
He Was Proud To Be An American!

AtLarge said:
See if you can get them to change the name of that event. Mosconi did not like 9-ball at all.
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It's not about the type of game for Goodness sake, the important thing is, He Was Proud To Be An American!
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when I met him he was still a strong/powerful presence

AtLarge said:
What in the world does your response have to do with my slightly tongue-in-cheek comment?
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Mosconi would be proud to be named for the MOSCONI CUP. Any pool player would be, it's the best ongoing televised Pool Show in history.

I don't think WM was a weak person either, when I met him he was still a strong/powerful presence.
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cjssecrets4u2 said:
Mosconi would be proud to be named for the MOSCONI CUP. Any pool player would be, it's the best ongoing televised Pool Show in history.

I don't think WM was a weak person either, when I met him he was still a strong/powerful presence.
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CJ,

Some perceive the glass to be 1/2 empty.

Some perceive the glass to be 1/2 full.

I perceive neither. I perceive a glass in need of fullfilment.

It's all about the perception.

I know you know,

Rick
 
naji:
A "good stroke" is consistent, accurate, and repeatable, with both tip contact point and cue speed.
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Above missing main ingredient amount of spin desired at contact point which is dictated by the nice follow through stroke, and as you said speed. Would speed alone does it maybe!!
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Followthrough isn't necessary. If you can be accurate in tip placement and speed without following through you'll get the same results. This could be demonstrated with a spring loaded cue or a padded stroke-stopper.

pj
chgo
 
Actually the glass is always full, Mary Avina

ENGLISH! said:
CJ,

Some perceive the glass to be 1/2 empty.

Some perceive the glass to be 1/2 full.

I perceive neither. I perceive a glass in need of fullfilment.

It's all about the perception.

I know you know,

Rick
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Scott Lee said:
Larry...IMO, his stroke is awful. Still, he manages to hit the shots (albeit that they are not very difficult). Anyone can make any stroke errors work for them...with enough practice.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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I don't know Scott (and no, I'm not attacking you, everyone can have an opinion, "Angry Is Over"), I used to think that (about the elbow drop), but am seeing it more and more with the great players when they really want to add the spin. I know it can be done without it, but it gets done with it.

And Collen is a great shooter, and those shots aren't easy. If they were, lots of the AZ community would be posting videos of them. Just Saying.

Pete
 
Here's how I was able to "perfect" my stroke/follow through.

Set up a straight in shot on the rail, with the OB and CB a little less than a chalk's width away from the rail. CB is on the diamond right below the side pocket, and OB is on the diamond above the side pocket. I would shoot the OB into the corner and draw back to the opposite corner. When I made it, the OB would move up 1/2 a diamond. Miss, it would come back.

I would also do this with stop and follow shots, as well as moving the CB back and leaving the OB where it is.

The biggest thing that helped is putting a piece of chalk on the rail about 1/2 to 3/4 of a diamond above the CB. I would then try to make my tip reach the chalk on every shot. I found that this really helped improve my follow through. My grip hand would hit my chest on every shot. Which would cause a slight elbow drop, but nothing exaggerated.

So to effect the speed of the shot is simply determined by how long my backswing is, but the end position is always the same, except on certain shots.
 
Pete said:
I don't know Scott (and no, I'm not attacking you, everyone can have an opinion, "Angry Is Over"), I used to think that (about the elbow drop), but am seeing it more and more with the great players when they really want to add the spin. I know it can be done without it, but it gets done with it.

And Collen is a great shooter, and those shots aren't easy. If they were, lots of the AZ community would be posting videos of them. Just Saying.

Pete
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Very true. Better to make those shots with your elbow dropping than standing bolt upright.
 
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