WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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Did you "cheat" by using sidespin or moving one of the balls off the exact center line?
pj
chgo
Sidespin. I aim straight at the center of the cue ball when lining up and using my pre-stroke routine, then when I actually shoot, I turn my cue to the inside of the pocket where the object ball is going.
If I move one of the balls off the exact center line this shot is easy.
I´m usually pretty good at the thin cuts but for me to make this one 6 out of 10 would be amazing.....
.But with that said, your explanation makes it more understandable, you are most likely hitting the cushion first which makes the sidespin kick the ball in. Very common shot and my guess most players that been around for a while can do it. Very useful. It can be done the other way also - touching object ball first but really tricky - at least for me to do that 60% of the time.
Btw - doing 6 out of then with that setup is still really good I would say.
Keep up the very good work you already seem to do
!Chrippa
It didn't make any sense to me, I had always SPUN the ball in
I was shown when I was in my early 20s what a "Touch" of Inside would do.
Some of you may remember an old guy (at the time in his 80s) named Bill Armadeo (sp?) in Tampa Florida. Bill owned a pool room there and used to show me things from the "old school". I was always eager to see what he had and one day he set up a VERY thin cut in the side.
He ask me to cut it in and I did. He then set it up in a way that looked impossible to my eye and said "do it again". I tried and slighly undercut it.
He then said, "ok, now try it with your tip a hair inside (the direction you're cutting it) and hit it firm," which I followed his direction and SLICED it in the side pocket.
It didn't make any sense to me, I had always SPUN the ball in with outside to make that severe cuts. This was more accurate and could also hold a straight line when going up and down the table for position.
I appreciate Bill showing me that shot and a few more that I'll mention one of these days and "try" to explain. These shots, looking back have won me a lot of money and tournament matches as well.
I was shown when I was in my early 20s what a "Touch" of Inside would do.
Some of you may remember an old guy (at the time in his 80s) named Bill Armadeo (sp?) in Tampa Florida. Bill owned a pool room there and used to show me things from the "old school". I was always eager to see what he had and one day he set up a VERY thin cut in the side.
He ask me to cut it in and I did. He then set it up in a way that looked impossible to my eye and said "do it again". I tried and slighly undercut it.
He then said, "ok, now try it with your tip a hair inside (the direction you're cutting it) and hit it firm," which I followed his direction and SLICED it in the side pocket.
It didn't make any sense to me, I had always SPUN the ball in with outside to make that severe cuts. This was more accurate and could also hold a straight line when going up and down the table for position.
I appreciate Bill showing me that shot and a few more that I'll mention one of these days and "try" to explain. These shots, looking back have won me a lot of money and tournament matches as well.
TheThaiger
Banned
I don't tend to read your posts very often (no offence), so forgive me if this is obvious or has been covered, but your 'touch of inside' is used on the example given to add a bit of deflection, presumably? If so, is the touch of inside technique pointless for LD shaft users?
And what about throw? Inside English on a thin rail cut will throw the OB into the cushion, won't it?, meaning you'll need an even thinner cut. Doesn't your technique solve one problem but create another?
Inside English reduces cut-induced throw in the same way that hitting harder with no English does: the increased speed at the contact point reduces friction.
This is true for thinner cuts, but if it is only a "touch" of inside, it will increase throw for most shots that are fuller than half-ball hits. In any case, whether with a little inside or no side spin, the cue ball must contact the cushion first or you won't make the frozen ball down the rail.
TheThaiger
Banned
Don't you hit the ball and cushion at the same time?
Coming down slightly to the inside also alters the perception of the shot.
I've used the low deflection shafts and you can cue it slightly more inside to get the same effect. Coming down slightly to the inside also alters the perception of the shot.
Try coming down on a "half ball" hit a tip to the inside going straight, not turning your cue. You will see that it sets you up to overcut the ball. In some cases your perception may vary because if how you are standing or the position your head is in while coming down. I can see this in person, but have no way of telling without at least a video.
Are you talking about a shot ON the rail in your other example (?), because it will change if it's frozen, compared to just slightly off the rail.
I've used the low deflection shafts and you can cue it slightly more inside to get the same effect. Coming down slightly to the inside also alters the perception of the shot.
Try coming down on a "half ball" hit a tip to the inside going straight, not turning your cue. You will see that it sets you up to overcut the ball. In some cases your perception may vary because if how you are standing or the position your head is in while coming down. I can see this in person, but have no way of telling without at least a video.
Are you talking about a shot ON the rail in your other example (?), because it will change if it's frozen, compared to just slightly off the rail.
Yes, I was the Air Force guy
Did the 20.And like you, I loved getting time to travel each year, first to Aviano, Italy for the regionals and then on to Germany for the championship. On side trips I got to go Carnivale in Venice one year and Oktoberfest in Munich another, all on Uncle Sammy’s dime. Times were different then, no wars going on.
I won the USAFE 14.1 event the year after you left.
Good to hear you're doin' good.
Lou Figueroa
On 90 degree cut to the corner I hit the cushion first, or at least that's what I think I do. I aim slightly to miss the ball and then the spin transferred from the cb sends the ob in the corner
Picking a coupla nits:
1. The setup you describe makes it even more than 90 degrees - with the object ball on the foot rail and the cue ball on the head spot (both on the middle string), it's more than 91 degrees. With the cue ball on the center spot it's more than 92 degrees. That's why inside spin is needed.
2. It isn't transferred spin that moves the OB; it's the CB's velocity into the OB caused by spinning toward it off the rail.
pj
chgo
Is it possible to make this shot with "outside spin"?
The cue ball's velocity AND spin moves the object ball on this shot. hmmm, sounds reasonable to me.
One Question: Is it possible to make this shot with "outside spin"?
The cue ball's velocity AND spin moves the object ball on this shot. hmmm, sounds reasonable to me.
One Question: Is it possible to make this shot with "outside spin"?
LD shafts are LD not ND..... ie... No Deflection.... so while you may be aiming slightly closer to the line than someone using a traditional shaft the deflection will still help hedge your bets... Just make sure you are using speed or cueing angle to remove swerve....
Yuppers.... It's in the realm of a trick shot... Think of the one with the frozen ball on the foot rail shooting it off the table nameplate on the head rail... You have to finish with the tip really high and the butt really low to even get close to bending the ball... Not something you want to shoot out side of a proposition shot with odds
I disagree, inside english always deflect cue ball (unless the shooter is 100% parallel to line of aim- no pivoting) and it is perceived as it reduces the spin induced throw
To be accurate, throw happens if there is stun or close to stun with inside or no inside, or if it is very very slow hit rolling (of which on long OB from pocket it is hardly be slow shot), at harder speed if there is no stun there will be no throw with inside, only cue deflection, therefore to guarantee no stun and no deflection hit the shot with rolling follow center CB a bit hard it will go in pocket 100% straight, unless ball is dirty.
I bet Dr. Dave agrees here..
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