Do you think more skilled players are more intelligent than lesser skilled players?

The notion of "book smart" itself is a fallacy in the way that it is commonly meant and applied. It is a phrase often used by the uneducated to palliate their feelings of resentment toward more accomplished people.

Not necessarily. Knowledge of something does not always translate to a practical or competent application of that knowledge. In reverse, just because you do something does not mean that you understand what it is that is happening. I've learned things from people that couldn't do and have seen things done by people that didn't know why.
 
Not necessarily. Knowledge of something does not always translate to a practical or competent application of that knowledge. In reverse, just because you do something does not mean that you understand what it is that is happening. I've learned things from people that couldn't do and have seen things done by people that didn't know why.


Indeed...and that why I said it was a generalization. So you are in fact only re-stating what I have said.

What I said is in fact generally true ("generally proportional with intelligence"), though not always, which is what I indicated, yet your post seems to imply otherwise. Odd.

It is a simple matter really.

If one were to pick at random anybody at the top of any particular field one would be foolish to bet that person were unintelligent. The odds are fairly stacked against it.

Not necessarily so? Of course. I never indicated the contrary. :wink:



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Indeed...and that why I said it was a generalization. So you are in fact only re-stating what I have said.

What I said is in fact generally true ("generally proportional with intelligence"), though not always, which is what I indicated, yet your post seems to imply otherwise. Odd.

It is a simple matter really.

If one were to pick at random anybody at the top of any particular field one would be foolish to bet that person were unintelligent. The odds are fairly stacked against it.

Not necessarily so? Of course. I never indicated the contrary. :wink:



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I resent your accomplished response! :mad:

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I have often heard from Golf Pro's that the easiest players to teach are Deadheads ( as in the band fans) because they are kind of toasted up top and don't over think that much.

Also I think it takes superior hand eye and the ability to practice hours on end. I get bored fast when i practice.

But some people just have the gift...I'd bet if you ask around there is one guy who just picked up the game at an high rate. I know one guy in my area who by many accounts picked up a cue for the first time in High School and just GOT IT a month or 2 later he was playing at a B speed the game came easy to him and he progressed to an A game with in a year or so..
 
Those who have stated that it depends on how you define intelligence are correct. In my home room, we have a gentlemen who happens to be a very accomplished defense attorney in our area. My home room also has about 5 different "Eddies" or Eds" that play out of the same room, whom all play well. The lawyer stated to me that he was perplexed by the fact that his IQ is higher than any two Eddies in the room combined, but he just couldn't figure out pool. My only response was that maybe, just maybe, the Eddies may be smarter than they look. :wink:

I wouldn't want a car mechanic to defend me in court, and I wouldn't want a lawyer to fix my engine.
 
as far as pocketing balls no, but you have to reason out things and be able to understand risk reward on shots and deduce the best path to take on running balls or playing safes.

if i see two players matching up i will bet on the smarter one.

I'm with you. Similiar strokes but with different brain levels, I'm betting on the brain power. Pocket billiards at times is like playing chess with big marbles. Both parties can move the pieces but it's when, where, & how that makes the difference.
 
No .... I belive the game can be mastered by anyone willing to put in the time and effort needed to master it...

This is the feel good additude when one thinks equality is a possiblity, its not. If this was true the world would be filled with top performers in all area's of life. Its easier for one to believe he can do anything as well as anyone, but its just a pipe dream for the majority.
 
Everybody knows "what they know"....i've known pool players that couldn't count to 1, but couldn't miss a ball? I've known a Lawyer with a pretty impressive cue collection, Balabushka, Paradise, Palmer.....couldn't make a shot if he had too?
 
Smarter in terms of pool knowledge, yes. Smarter people, no. All you have to do is look at how many great players are broke and living on the charity of others.

Chess is a game where a high level of intelligence is required but there have been world class chess players who were complete derelicts.
 
I'll try to put it in words you can all understand.

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Of course, much more research is needed to confirm or amend this model.
 
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Those who have stated that it depends on how you define intelligence are correct. In my home room, we have a gentlemen who happens to be a very accomplished defense attorney in our area. My home room also has about 5 different "Eddies" or Eds" that play out of the same room, whom all play well. The lawyer stated to me that he was perplexed by the fact that his IQ is higher than any two Eddies in the room combined, but he just couldn't figure out pool. My only response was that maybe, just maybe, the Eddies may be smarter than they look. :wink:

I wouldn't want a car mechanic to defend me in court, and I wouldn't want a lawyer to fix my engine.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...98/09/bill_clinton_and_the_meaning_of_is.html


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And yet......what I said is true......


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Not hardly. I've seen many shortstop and pros that are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Just look at some of the "prestigious" that have posted here over the years.... note the horrible grammar and punctuation and you can answer your own question.

I am not referring to anyone in particular, but have seen a common trend of some....

No correlation...I have a friend who is a legit MENSA member with several degrees from M.I.T. He loves the game, but is a recreational banger...as am I.
 
People love to point out somebody they think is "smart" and note some deficiency, yet they neglect to point out the multitude they know that are not "smart" with multitudes of deficiencies. LOL! :wink:



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Considering the fact that there are plenty of top players who are barley above being mentally retarded, i would say no.
 
People love to point out somebody they think is "smart" and note some deficiency, yet they neglect to point out the multitude they know that are not "smart" with multitudes of deficiencies. LOL! :wink:



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Well, momma always said if you can't say something nice...don't say nuttin':wink:
 
Considering the fact that there are plenty of top players who are barley above being mentally retarded, i would say no.



Well that's not very nice.... :wink::grin:

I would suspect it isn't exactly correct as well....... :wink:


Which ones?


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I agree with Tate....
..."Bridges are complex adaptive systems."

good one , Chris
 
This is the feel good additude when one thinks equality is a possiblity, its not. If this was true the world would be filled with top performers in all area's of life. Its easier for one to believe he can do anything as well as anyone, but its just a pipe dream for the majority.

no that's just the lie the wanna be's tell themselves... everyone underestimates the amount of effort and daily work it takes to really get somewhere...

they give it a go... 2 even 3 whole weeks... and then quit. they tell themselves they did their best... and everyone else has better equipment and more talent...

then you get the 1%ers.. the ones that hit balls till the cloth wears out... year after year...in a never ending search to get better..

heart isn't how much you bet... heart is made alone when no one is watching and you could quit ... because your frustrated... it's just not going your way today... and you hit the shot 50 more times... just because...

that's heart... he wants it more than you...

just because you didn't see it.. doesn't mean it didn't happen

you get good at pool one stroke at a time...there is no other way
 
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