Original Moori Tips

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AcuraHeel said:
The tip thing has gotten out of control IMO. We're already having to pay $45-50 for a Kamui or any other premium tip to be installed. Cue repair guys are charging almost $30 just to put a tip on my cue. Doesn't that seem ridiculous? I'm all against people making some $,just don't bang us while doing it.. :)
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I charge 30.00 for a kamui tip installed, and I supply the tip.
I clean and reseal and wax the shaft.
Clean the ferrule and if there is any dents I fix then too.
If I have to listen to the customer compain its another 20.00 bucks...........
Yup 50.00 is about right . :winknudge:

MMike
 
AcuraHeel said:
I've noticed some for sale lately for $50-80. I just can't see what would justify me to pay that for one tip. What makes these tips worth so much?
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It's not worth that much to me. I'm not saying that moori isn't a good tip, I like them but not at that price.
 
JB might get some action if he ups the bet. :eek::)

Imo, these 1st gen Mooris are without a doubt the best tips ever made, and if they're not worth double or triple the price of a cube a Kamui chalk, then..........
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
I charge 30.00 for a kamui tip installed, and I supply the tip.
I clean and reseal and wax the shaft.
Clean the ferrule and if there is any dents I fix then too.
If I have to listen to the customer compain its another 20.00 bucks...........
Yup 50.00 is about right . :winknudge:

MMike
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Mike

I just don't think $30 in labor to install a tip is that good a deal. That is what some in our area charge. You on the other hand are offering a great price and service. :thumbup: We have a new cue repairmen in the area that is offering something like that. He installs the tip, cleans the shaft and seals it for less than others. He isn't trying to make a killing of tip installation.
 
I think you guys are really missing the point with these original moori tips.

They are now collectable items. If you can find me these old moori and sell them to me for $15.00 each...I will take every last one that you can find.

I'm surprised the concept of demand and supply doesn't seem to apply to the old moori for some of you. I have one of the first Moori that was introduced back in early 90's and I probably would not installed it on any shaft but just wanted to keep it as a collectible. I would want at least 100 each for these tips. I also have the original when he started out with different hardness that I sold for 50 to 70 each.

Whether you think they are worth it or not...doesn't really matter as long as people out there are paying good money for them. To me..they are worth their weight in gold in term of playability and collectable.

How many people can say they are playing with the "real" original moori?

I still have a few MH that I swear to this day is still the best playing tip for me. When I worked with my guy in Japan to create the new CM360 tips...I based everything on how this tip hit on the original Moori. Some will like them and some will not...but I made them to what I believe is a great playing tip.

Anyway, some will buy the Kamui chalk for $30.00 and some won't. Everyone has an opinion but MHO is that they are definitely worth the price.

Here's a few pics of these original old moori..just in case you guys are confusing them with the first generation of the color labeling.

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Happy New Year Everyone.
Duc.
 
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I can see where a few on here have said that they think they're worth $50-80 a piece. Who on here HAS paid over $50 for on of these tips?

I have a hard time believing that LD shafts and other enhancements improve the game of pool, but a 15-20 year old tip is better than all the tips in market today. Are some saying that the tips have not gotten better in 20 years?
 
Playability is very subjective...it might be the best tip in the world for me and someone wouldn't give a dime for them.

I think your question is more about the values of these tips and why someone would pay 50 to 80 for these original moori?

1) Supply and demand
2) Collectable
3) Still one of the best tip out there today

Are there comparable tips? Yes.

Have anyone pay 50 to 80 for these? Yes.. I sold quite a few of these tips over the year. I remember people charging 80.00 installed for these Moori when they were in short supply. I alone sold quite a number of these tips for 40 each back in the days. Add inflation and they would be more than what I'm selling them now.

Question is..if you had these tips...what would you sell it for? I think some of you are confusing the original Moori with the new generation moori. Even those are now a day hard to find. I believe the new moori now are inferior tips to these old predecessor. The older Moori were hand made and I believe now that they are mass produced...the quality for them has deteriorated. They are still very good tips but the older one are much better in Quality..just MHO.

Duc.


AcuraHeel said:
I can see where a few on here have said that they think they're worth $50-80 a piece. Who on here HAS paid over $50 for on of these tips?

I have a hard time believing that LD shafts and other enhancements improve the game of pool, but a 15-20 year old tip is better than all the tips in market today. Are some saying that the tips have not gotten better in 20 years?
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AcuraHeel said:
I can see where a few on here have said that they think they're worth $50-80 a piece. Who on here HAS paid over $50 for on of these tips?

I have a hard time believing that LD shafts and other enhancements improve the game of pool, but a 15-20 year old tip is better than all the tips in market today. Are some saying that the tips have not gotten better in 20 years?
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Good lord, sure, layered tips in general have improved tons in 20 years, but even then imo nothing i've tried on the market today surpasses these 1st gen Mooris. They play, have more feel, and wear better than anything i've tried. I've sold these for those figures but my stash I bought back in the '90s is down below 20 now. Doubt i'd let any more go....once they are gone, they're gone. Just save them for personal use or special cues.
 
cueaddicts said:
Good lord, sure, layered tips in general have improved tons in 20 years, but even then imo nothing i've tried on the market today surpasses these 1st gen Mooris. They play, have more feel, and wear better than anything i've tried. I've sold these for those figures but my stash I bought back in the '90s is down below 20 now. Doubt i'd let any more go....once they are gone, they're gone. Just save them for personal use or special cues.
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You say "In Your Opinion" Ok.. Why do you seem to be annoyed that some of us just don't see how a 20 year old Moori is worth 3-4 times what the best tips on the market today are selling for? I don't think it's an outrageous question.
 
AcuraHeel said:
You say "In Your Opinion" Ok.. Why do you seem to be annoyed that some of us just don't see how a 20 year old Moori is worth 3-4 times what the best tips on the market today are selling for? I don't think it's an outrageous question.
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No one's annoyed. Just thought this was a discussion thread. :shrug:

I feel strongly that they're worth the money and guess you don't. I can live with that because each person is certainly entitled to how they want to spend their money.
 
yally said:
$50-80 for the greatest tip of all time? Sounds like a steal. Original mooris from a reputable dealer is so rare it's like finding a stash of Westinghouse micarta.
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Greatest of all time? I have used many tips and these aren't even in the top 5. I thought they played like shit. Kamui plays much better. For that matter, a good triangle played better. But if someone wants to pay $80 for a tip, then let them do it. I know I will never use another one again.
 
cueaddicts said:
No one's annoyed. Just thought this was a discussion thread. :shrug:

I feel strongly that they're worth the money and guess you don't. I can live with that because each person is certainly entitled to how they want to spend their money.
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I apologize if I took the previous comment wrong. The "Good Lord" threw me off. I agree and that's why I asked. I don't think anyone is wrong or right. It's always good to hear both sides of the story.
 
AcuraHeel said:
I apologize if I took the previous comment wrong. The "Good Lord" threw me off. I agree and that's why I asked. I don't think anyone is wrong or right. It's always good to hear both sides of the story.
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No worries. I think back to some of the earlier layered tips like Tiger, Everest, etc. that tried to compete with the Moori. Their quality was comparatively lacking at the time. Now, it seems all brands have steped it up big time. My problem with many of them though, is the lack of feel and some seem to get glassed over pretty quickly.
 
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AcuraHeel said:
Mike

I just don't think $30 in labor to install a tip is that good a deal. That is what some in our area charge. You on the other hand are offering a great price and service. :thumbup: We have a new cue repairmen in the area that is offering something like that. He installs the tip, cleans the shaft and seals it for less than others. He isn't trying to make a killing of tip installation.
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I spend on the average 30 to 45 min per retip and shaft clean up.
I give away one of my home made tip shaper with every tip installation.

The closest cue repairman is 330 miles round trip.
For every 5 ivory ferrule I put on I destroy one or 2.
For every 20 tips I put on 1 or 2 pop off.
there is not big money in doing tips.
But cues sales and other billiard related products that I sale makes up a little circle of service .
And my business is supported by repeat customers.
Happy New year
MMike

truth is my wife does all the cue tips and the lawn
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cueaddicts said:
JB might get some action if he ups the bet. :eek::)

Imo, these 1st gen Mooris are without a doubt the best tips ever made, and if they're not worth double or triple the price of a cube a Kamui chalk, then..........
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:-). I would bet 200 per try. I forgot I would need to pay about 150 installed for the first gen moori in the test. The other 50 would cover the purchase and installation of the other four tips.

I have no doubt that there a few people who could pick the moori out of the batch but most can't. And we could do a secondary question as to which tip feels best and see if the moori can win that one when the brands are revealed.
 
Action

I might just have to sweat the rail on this one'
Wheres the action jackson?
Maybe John has been pressing leather.
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The Original Moori tips are and always will be the standard of the industry. The Original Moori manufacturer in Japan came up with a tip that has started up a new batch of tip manufacturers in the US but more times than not state as good or better than a Moori. Moori had sold the business years ago that changed the Moori tip to what we have today. The new Moori tips are all right just like Kamui and a dozen other tips that we use today. The Kamui tip is harder than I like to use but are good tips. I tried a Predator tip and it was great the first couple of days but in a week was too hard for me. The only tip that I know will satisfy my needs on a pool table is a soft Moori. I have a few old Moori softs but I keep them for very special cues or customers. I charge good for them but being that they are rare it might be worth it for some. Earl said the old soft Moori was the only tip he liked out of all the tips we tried when he was playing for me and we tried all of them several times. It has been my choice of tip since they came out. I won my world championship with it and many other tournaments for the last 20 years or so. I have tried all the tips that have come out over 20 years and like I said the soft Moori can be duplicated but not improved. I am still waiting for it to be equaled.
 
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