anyone else have video proof of making this shot?

jigmoore said:
ok....i've worked on it for a year now....and made it zero times.

i can't suck that bad.
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If you don't get retrograde motion on the cue ball at the contact point you can't make the shot with a nearly level stroke. Most pool players never hit the cue ball that far off center intentionally. You may well not suck but the evidence indicates that you need more practice at spinning the ball.
 
retrograde? there's nothing orbiting.....

you talking about overspin? (where rotational speed measured at the circumference is greater than the directional speed) in other words it pushes the ball backwards.

or could i try a rubber tip?
 
man...i know what you're saying...but i can't imagine spinning it more than i was here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjB5yZedeaU&feature=youtu.be

i guess i could test for overspin by putting some double sided tape on a piece of paper and resting it on the rail and trying to shoot the ball one direction down table, glancing off the paper, and see if i can get the paper to move backwards....?
 
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JesseAllred said:
A few old guys I knew when I was a kid could make it pretty regularly. It's a cool shot because of the slow speed needed to spin it back to the pocket. really cool shot, closest I've ever come is an inch from making it. I'll see if I can make it one-handed on film.
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Nice shooting, verry nice shooting I couldnt even do that.
 
jigmoore said:
man...i know what you're saying...but i can't imagine spinning it more than i was here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjB5yZedeaU&feature=youtu.be

i guess i could test for overspin by putting some double sided tape on a piece of paper and resting it on the rail and trying to shoot the ball one direction down table, glancing off the paper, and see if i can get the paper to move backwards....?
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It's not possible to say whether you have overspin (or as I call it, retrograde...) in the video. Try chalking the OB as suggested before. If you don't quite have overspin, the OB will skid/cling/kick forward rather than backward.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's not possible to say whether you have overspin (or as I call it, retrograde...) in the video. Try chalking the OB as suggested before. If you don't quite have overspin, the OB will skid/cling/kick forward rather than backward.
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i did that in a later attempt...no luck. i also put one sided tape on the contact point....no luck.

i must just not be spinning it enough...unless there's something else you're keeping from me.
 
scratchs said:
I have'nt made it yet,but I'm getting close..I come in to the long rail about two inchs short..I really like that shot.
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thats where i have made it from 2-2.5", i can't get enuff speed on the OB without cheating a little.
 
jigmoore said:
i did that in a later attempt...no luck. i also put one sided tape on the contact point....no luck.

i must just not be spinning it enough...unless there's something else you're keeping from me.
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Nope. That's it. Your position looks just like the one I used. It may help to have the cue ball a little farther out so you are not jacked up as much -- the masse will hurt you.

I know I can hit with retrograde because I have it on high-speed video. If you don't miscue occasionally even after having chalked well, you are probably not hitting far enough off-center.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Nope. That's it. Your position looks just like the one I used. It may help to have the cue ball a little farther out so you are not jacked up as much -- the masse will hurt you.

I know I can hit with retrograde because I have it on high-speed video. If you don't miscue occasionally even after having chalked well, you are probably not hitting far enough off-center.
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Bob, is the preferred method of pocketing this ball to have the cueball airborn at contact?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Nope. That's it. Your position looks just like the one I used. It may help to have the cue ball a little farther out so you are not jacked up as much -- the masse will hurt you.

I know I can hit with retrograde because I have it on high-speed video. If you don't miscue occasionally even after having chalked well, you are probably not hitting far enough off-center.
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yeah, later in the video you can see i flatten out my stroke to limit the masse. i miscue about 1 in 15 on that shot.

i'm wondering now if i was hitting close enough center (hi/lo). maybe just that little extra of leverage is what i'm missing. i think at first i was maximum right hand, but about half tip low....then adjusted to half tip above center when i flattened out the stroke.

ugh..no other shot in my 30 years of pool has bugged me this much.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's not possible to say whether you have overspin (or as I call it, retrograde...) in the video. Try chalking the OB as suggested before. If you don't quite have overspin, the OB will skid/cling/kick forward rather than backward.
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It's actually not that difficult to achieve enough spin to create retrograde spin-induced throw (SIT) with a razor thin cut. As you and others who have tried this know, the tough part is aiming the shot accurately enough to achieve such an extreme cut.

For a razor thin cut, gearing outside english occurs at about 80% english (80% from center ball to the miscue limit), so there is a reasonable margin (20%) to create retrograde SIT (see the gearing outside english resource page for proof, illustrations, related instructional articles, and video demonstrations). FYI, the last shot in the following video demonstrates thin-cut retrograde SIT in super slow motion:

Regards,
Dave
 
I've seen Jim Rempe backcut a ball from the spot into the corner from a cueball that sets in the side pocket jaws. I saw him do it 3 times consecutively in the 80s.
I've seen Dennis Hatch cut balls in, that you would bet money can't be cut in.
 
dr_dave said:
It's actually not that difficult to achieve enough spin to create retrograde spin-induced throw (SIT) with a razor thin cut. As you and others who have tried this know, the tough part is aiming the shot accurately enough to achieve such an extreme cut.

For a razor thin cut, gearing outside english occurs at about 80% english (80% from center ball to the miscue limit), so there is a reasonable margin (20%) to create retrograde SIT (see the gearing outside english resource page for proof, illustrations, related instructional articles, and video demonstrations). FYI, the last shot in the following video demonstrates thin-cut retrograde SIT in super slow motion:

Regards,
Dave
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i couldn't get either of those links to open...both of which, i'm sure, are videos of you showing me how easy that shot is....

edit: the links work now....you must have linked the wrong file...because i didn't see you making the shot. :)
 
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jigmoore said:
dr_dave said:
It's actually not that difficult to achieve enough spin to create retrograde spin-induced throw (SIT) with a razor thin cut. As you and others who have tried this know, the tough part is aiming the shot accurately enough to achieve such an extreme cut.

For a razor thin cut, gearing outside english occurs at about 80% english (80% from center ball to the miscue limit), so there is a reasonable margin (20%) to create retrograde SIT (see the gearing outside english resource page for proof, illustrations, related instructional articles, and video demonstrations). FYI, the last shot in the following video demonstrates thin-cut retrograde SIT in super slow motion:
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i couldn't get either of those links to open...both of which, i'm sure, are videos of you showing me how easy that shot is....

edit: the links work now....you must have linked the wrong file...because i didn't see you making the shot. :)
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The web server must have been down temporarily when you first tried.

Razor-thin-cut retrograde SIT is not easy ... in fact, it's ridiculously hard. All of the "impossible cut shots" are considered "proposition" or "trick" shots. They are not something that can be done reliably or consistently.

Have you seen the following video:

It includes several examples of different "impossible cut shots." The last shot is very close to the backcut-spot-shot-from-the-corner 90-degree cut (although, a little easier).

Regards,
Dave
 
I went to the pool hall hoping to video this, and found out (again) that it's really f'ing hard. I chalked the crap out of the OB and used the most extreme english possible but never got closer than the first diamond. I once nicked the ball and sent it on a line towards 1 inch north of the pocket. But it only rolled a few inches.

How close are we allowed to put the CB to the OB? If I could move closer a foot...

...well, I'd still probably miss it. This shot is no joke.
 
CreeDo said:
I went to the pool hall hoping to video this, and found out (again) that it's really f'ing hard. I chalked the crap out of the OB and used the most extreme english possible but never got closer than the first diamond. I once nicked the ball and sent it on a line towards 1 inch north of the pocket. But it only rolled a few inches.

How close are we allowed to put the CB to the OB? If I could move closer a foot...

...well, I'd still probably miss it. This shot is no joke.
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Yeah, after seeing this thread re-hashed I decided to head down to my pool table and try it. I was shooting it on a 8 foot Olhausen with pro form cloth and aramith balls and the closest I got was 2 inches inside the 1st diamond.

This has to be a little easier on a 9 footer. Give me a 9 footer with 760 cloth and maybe I would have a chance, but odds are defiantly against me.
Bob, your a better shot than me.
 
dr_dave said:
The web server must have been down temporarily when you first tried.

Razor-thin-cut retrograde SIT is not easy ... in fact, it's ridiculously hard. All of the "impossible cut shots" are considered "proposition" or "trick" shots. They are not something that can be done reliably or consistently.

Have you seen the following video:

It includes several examples of different "impossible cut shots." The last shot is very close to the backcut-spot-shot-from-the-corner 90-degree cut (although, a little easier).

Regards,
Dave
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yes, that last shot is similar...but those extra 5-10 degrees are a huge difference. line it up like bob shot it....then send me video once you've made it.
 
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