Should the TAR table stay as is or go to standard pockets? You choose.

[Indiana Skinny]

keep it the same!

I voted for no change. I like safety play and the fact the better player is going to win hands down.

From a business standpoint if you got 4x the viewers with 4.5 I guess that would be the way to go...right?

How about you (Justin) put together a 4 package deal for all these 4.5 lovers and they can pre-pay that would cover the next four TAR matches on a 4.5.

Or you could just advertise the next one as 4.5 and compare to previous streams.

See if they put the money where there mouth is. :grin:

 

[BigFish]

Here's a novel idea - why not just follow the world standards? (4.5" by the way) That's what everybody should be training to play on. Why do some people think they have to gaff a table? What does it prove? I think reducing the pocket size takes a lot more away from the game than it ever helps.

 

[imissedthe9]

Everybody can run out. It's the In between game that separates short stops and champions. Safety's,kicking, etc is what makes the difference. This is 10 ball anyways it's meant to be played more strategically. If you want run outs play 9 ball.

 

[JMuck]

This is the first I have seen of this thread.I usually read through all posts before responding but I am going to jump the gun this time.

I am in favor of the larger pockets but I think there may be a sweet spot between 41/8 and 41/2.

 

[easy-e]

This is the first I have seen of this thread.I usually read through all posts before responding but I am going to jump the gun this time.

I am in favor of the larger pockets but I think there may be a sweet spot between 41/8 and 41/2.

This is turning into one of my favorite threads, and ChrisBanks isn't even around to enjoy it!

 

[AtLarge]

Everybody can run out. It's the In between game that separates short stops and champions. Safety's,kicking, etc is what makes the difference. This is 10 ball anyways it's meant to be played more strategically. If you want run outs play 9 ball.

Check the 10-ball results in post #219. (I know, that must have been the exception.)

 

[jason]

4 and 1/8th is not even that tight. If you can hit a ball hard straight down the rail and the ball goes in, I don't see what the problem is.

CB, I'm with you there. If you can hit a ball hard down the rail so that it doesn't change the "normal" strategy of leaves and breakouts, then leave it as is.

Justin, I would listen to the players also. If some will drop out of the box because of the table, maybe you should change them. The fans will always enjoy 6 pack runouts, but when done on a tight table it will be more impressive. It's a tough call and the poll is pretty much split.

 

[JumpinJoe]

This poll should be done with say the 36 bonus ball players, then add the next top 14, so 50 top caliber players.

There is no chance they would want 4.5" pockets. They are the ones playin on the table for the cash.

 

[jason]

This poll should be done with say the 36 bonus ball players, then add the next top 14, so 50 top caliber players.

There is no chance they would want 4.5" pockets. They are the ones playin on the table for the cash.

I think that is a good idea Joe. Leave Earl out because he will say 10 footers and I don't think Justin wants him back anyway. But, definitely let the majority rule on this. The top 40 maybe more interested in playing the top 10 on "regulation" pockets.

 

[TorranceChris]

I voted to keep them the same for the time being. I think that Shane and Darren both had off days and that resulted in smaller packages being put together. I'm sure that Shane can put together bigger packages if the break was working.

I still enjoyed watching the TAR stream. There were some safety battles that resulted from the racks not being run out that I learned from so that was good for me.

Regardless, I'll continue to support TAR either way.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

How about this for an idea -- Have some of the players/fans that love 14.1 and 1 pocket go out and pre sell the stream to all the fans out there. Then when they have sold 'X' amount of viewership (non refundable -- yes, yes I know my plan is already flawed), then JCIN can put them up as TAR 72 (or how ever long it takes to sell that many viewers).

That's actually a good idea. Even if they can't watch the date of the match, at least they supported the cause/game of that which made them chirp.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Consider this data from Turning Stone XX 9-Ball, Jan. 2013:

The breaker won 37% (48 of 130) of the games in which he either fouled on the break or broke dry without fouling. That means that the incoming player failed to get out a significant amount of times, no?

Even more facinating to me, the break seems to have less value than many would believe. Observe:

the breaker "won 51% of the games (156 of 307)"

That first statistic is pretty significant, actually when not making a ball on the break is a 63 percent chance of losing. But I think you and I are making the same point anyway. It's not like a bar table it is still hard!

Unless we could get that game 100ft in the air with the beams you mentioned? Who do you like in that format? lol

 

[chevybob20]

I don't want to start a war here but the comment I'm gonna make might be taken personally by some. The people that are saying that shot selection is severely limited on a 9' table with 4 1/8" pockets simply haven't played enough on one or are C players. I am a C player myself so don't take it personally. I do have a 9' table with 4 1/8" pockets (set up by Mark Gregory) and play on it everyday. It's amazing how quickly the pocket size becomes a non-issue while practicing on it. I'm talking hours not days. And finally, yes you can still cheat the pockets.

 

[spliced]

I'll play. I think 4.25" pockets on a Diamond table is the best of both worlds; challenging table, but loose enough for top players to play rotation games, without going into "tough table stroke".

In the absence of the 4.25" choice, I went with 4.5".


Eric

I agree 100%. 4.25" would be perfect but I voted 4.5 since that choice wasnt there. the 4 1/8" are just a bit too tight to be fun to watch imo

 

[Goldcues]

I'll play. I think 4.25" pockets on a Diamond table is the best of both worlds; challenging table, but loose enough for top players to play rotation games, without going into "tough table stroke".

In the absence of the 4.25" choice, I went with 4.5".


Eric

I agree, 4.25" would probably be the preferred compromise. Pro stands while not being slop or too tight.
I went with 4.5" since 4.25" was not an option.

 

[CJ Wiley]

ill have to agree with some posters that 4.25 would be ideal.

Yes, of course, that's common knowledge among pros. With worn cloth is best.

 

[cookie man]

Put on real slow cloth. Make the players move the ball around.

 

[corvette1340]

This poll should be done with say the 36 bonus ball players, then add the next top 14, so 50 top caliber players.

There is no chance they would want 4.5" pockets. They are the ones playin on the table for the cash.

It doesn't matter what the players want. It's what the viewers want that matters, period.

 

[jalapus logan]

That first statistic is pretty significant, actually when not making a ball on the break is a 63 percent chance of losing. But I think you and I are making the same point anyway. It's not like a bar table it is still hard!

Unless we could get that game 100ft in the air with the beams you mentioned? Who do you like in that format? lol

Hmmm...who do I like in that format? Earl. He's the only one who would have packed a parachute as part of his normal equipment.

 

[The Saw]

How about this for an idea -- Have some of the players/fans that love 14.1 and 1 pocket go out and pre sell the stream to all the fans out there. Then when they have sold 'X' amount of viewership (non refundable -- yes, yes I know my plan is already flawed), then JCIN can put them up as TAR 72 (or how ever long it takes to sell that many viewers).

I've always wanted to see some world class 3 ball.... How many fans would I need to get signed up? Striaght line, none of that triangle non-sense... REAL 3 ball!