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MapleMan

MapleMan

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A tremendous record that has not been surpassed. Does anybody think that the record could have been challenged by anybody in the last 25-30 yrs if 9 ball was not the Big Game? I am not trying to belittle Mosconi in anyway. I was just pondering this idea. Say Archer or SVB or even Strickland grew up in a time where 9 ball was a mere sideshow compared to 14.1
 
If they wanted it(the record) they should have gone after it. Nothing was stopping them. They might have wasted a lot of time trying though?
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I agree that nothing was stopping them but I doubt they had any motivation. 14.1 is just so alien to so many players. Mosconi was great no doubt about it but I feel others could have made it. Look at Schmidt for example. He is obsessed with 14.1 and he got 400 and he isnt the best man with a cue in the last 20 yrs. On the other hand a great straight pool player like Sigel hasn't shattered it and he was raised on the game if I am not mistaken. Figured my question wuld just be some food for thought.
 
Thanks buddy. As you can see I haven't been on here very long. It is an interesting argument regarding pocket size.
 
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MapleMan said:
I agree that nothing was stopping them but I doubt they had any motivation. 14.1 is just so alien to so many players. Mosconi was great no doubt about it but I feel others could have made it. Look at Schmidt for example. He is obsessed with 14.1 and he got 400 and he isnt the best man with a cue in the last 20 yrs. On the other hand a great straight pool player like Sigel hasn't shattered it and he was raised on the game if I am not mistaken. Figured my question wuld just be some food for thought.
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im obsessed with it hardly.
ive played 14.1 probably a tenth as much as sigel and 1/50th as much as mosconi.
ive run 400 plus twice playing the game rarely overall.
if i played for 20 years on a 4x8 i would think 526 or more would be super tough but very doable.
if u take varner,sigel,rempe,dick lane,ortman,martin and add up all the innings they have taken in their whole life it would be probably a million innings.
in all those innings none of them ran over 400. i know because ive asked them.
that would tell me running 400 plus twice like i have is very tough and ive played the game much much less then those guys.
im not saying im better then them just giving idea how hard 400 plus is on 9ft when you have played 14.1 as little as i have.
i guess im not best cueist in 20 years and im for sure the least dedicated because pool has no money.
i am the only player in 20-30 years i believe to have run over 400 twice ,which means nothing really because frankly i feel i could run 400 plus once every year and 526 plus if i had financial incentive.


if i beat 526 like 20 people on here would even notice and it would pay zero so why bother,no biggie it is what it is.
 
You are definitely the top 14.1 player in the longest time. It is a great honor to have a World Champion reply to a thread of mine. I had no idea you out ran those guys. I am far from an authority on the game. To be honest I would have to agree that few would care about 527 being reached. Thank for answering my question. I think if the money and attention was there you would be one to beat it.
 
i agree

MapleMan said:
You are definitely the top 14.1 player in the longest time. It is a great honor to have a World Champion reply to a thread of mine. I had no idea you out ran those guys. I am far from an authority on the game. To be honest I would have to agree that few would care about 527 being reached. Thank for answering my question. I think if the money and attention was there you would be one to beat it.
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their is a group who could do it but heres how i feel about high runs.
lets say i ran 525 5 times but mosconi ran 526 once,whos better.see what i mean. i try to not think because my high run is slightly higher or lower then somebody else that im better or worse then them.
theres a group of players that i really respect their games especially the ones who play great onehole 14.1 and rotation.thats much harder then being great at one game.
 
john schmidt said:
their is a group who could do it but heres how i feel about high runs.
lets say i ran 525 5 times but mosconi ran 526 once,whos better.see what i mean. i try to not think because my high run is slightly higher or lower then somebody else that im better or worse then them.
theres a group of players that i really respect their games especially the ones who play great onehole 14.1 and rotation.thats much harder then being great at one game.
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I agree with what you say. A record is nothing but a benchmark. It doesn't have to be "set" necessarily by the best player at any particular game. A person could have one of those days/nights that we all dream of having and set a record at something. It doesn't automatically mean they are the best at it though. That said, it IS hard to argue Willie Mosconi's many championships.
I too am in the opinion that those who are great at several disciplines of billiards/pocket billiards, are the ones we should recognize as "greats".

Maniac
 
schmitty on an 8'?

Hey John, We both know better than most that there is no real money in pool. I would love to have kept competing. Even though you wouldn't benefit greatly financially by doing it, wouldn't running over 526 on an 8' oversize table with buckets be worth having the record? Barry
 
john schmidt said:
if i beat 526 like 20 people on here would even notice and it would pay zero so why bother,no biggie it is what it is.
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This is the only thing I disagree with in your post. I think if you or anyone else ran more than 526 and it was documented on video it would be huge news in the pool world.
 
MapleMan said:
I agree that nothing was stopping them but I doubt they had any motivation. 14.1 is just so alien to so many players. Mosconi was great no doubt about it but I feel others could have made it. Look at Schmidt for example. He is obsessed with 14.1 and he got 400 and he isnt the best man with a cue in the last 20 yrs. On the other hand a great straight pool player like Sigel hasn't shattered it and he was raised on the game if I am not mistaken. Figured my question wuld just be some food for thought.
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You might want to consider that Willie once ran around 680,
had a textbook breakshot setup, and quit because dinner was ready. This
was done on his 9 ft at home. It was a 'practice' run - as are all the other
high runs you have heard about.

The 526 was done in very specific circumstances that makes it different
from any practice run. It is virtually impossible, for many reasons, that
equivalent circumstances will ever occur again.

Dale
 
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pdcue said:
You might want to consider that Willie once ran around 680,
had a textbook breakshot setup, and quit because dinner was ready. This
was done on his 9 ft at home. It was a 'practice' run - as are all the other
high runs you have heard about.
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Not trying to "stir the pot", but how can this be proved???

Maniac (beyond hearsay, of course)
 
There are a few higher practice runs that never got proven, babe cranfield claimed 768, mike eufemia and tom parker over 600, maybe some others.

No way to prove it, either they're telling the truth or a handful fantastic players are so desperate for attention they made it up.

John, when casual fans talk about pool they know pretty much two names... jeanette lee and willie mosconi. Even non-players can hear "526 without missing" and be impressed.

If you beat mosconi's record it would not only be a ripple in the pool world, you might make a few major newspapers and even the TV news. It's the only pool record anyone really cares about even if the game isn't popular anymore.

Whether that translates into cash I dunno. Just keep that camera rolling when you practice.
 
hi

CreeDo said:
There are a few higher practice runs that never got proven, babe cranfield claimed 768, mike eufemia and tom parker over 600, maybe some others.

No way to prove it, either they're telling the truth or a handful fantastic players are so desperate for attention they made it up.

John, when casual fans talk about pool they know pretty much two names... jeanette lee and willie mosconi. Even non-players can hear "526 without missing" and be impressed.

If you beat mosconi's record it would not only be a ripple in the pool world, you might make a few major newspapers and even the TV news. It's the only pool record anyone really cares about even if the game isn't popular anymore.

Whether that translates into cash I dunno. Just keep that camera rolling when you practice.
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i play 14.1 2-3 times a year. the derby,expo ,and worlds. maybe at bills house once a year also for a couple days.
i had a table at home in florida for a year. a diamond so too tough to run 526.i managed 294 on film on it though.
anyway my chances of breaking it r nill since i rarely play pool,even more rarely 14.1 and even more rarely 14.1 on camera.
i ran 366 on camera with commentary and its like pulling teeth getting someone to pay 30 for dvd.
if i went thru trouble of running 527 on film i might put might that is 5000 in pocket.
overall is just not worth my effort .
people think im at home playing 14.1 on film 8 hours a day for 250 days a year lol.
i have no table at home and live 15 miles from a pooltable. havent played an hours worth of pool since august.
anyway if financial incentive was there i would try to break number but we all know thats not gonna happen
 
Would you dedicate 1 year of your life (40 hours a week) trying to beat the record for 1 million dollars?
 
Just a sidelight on Mosconi's run of 526. At the DCC this yearI ran into a man who is in his late '80's. I had seen him play excellent pool over fifty years ago. Since I was growing up in the Midwest, I had not seen much competent straight pool, until I saw this man play, and he was way beyond competent. My reaction was, "So that's what this game looks like when it's played right!"

Anyway, this gentleman had a job that took him on the road regularly. He found himself one evening in Springfield, Ohio, and saw that Mosconi was going to play an exhibition. He knew Mosconi and had seen him play many times. He decided to go to a movie first that he wanted to see and check out the poolroom and say hello to Mosconi later on. And that is why he did not see Mosconi run the 526. I hope he enjoyed the movie.
 
IMO there are a handful of players today that could beat 526 and certainly John is one of them. But if pride in the accomplishment and being the guy that beat Mosconi's record -- probably the most hallowed record in pool -- isn't enough motivation then you don't deserve to break the record.

On a related note: my only gripe with some of the contemporary runs is that there is a lot of ball polishing going on during some of the runs and in the middle of at least one big run, the CB was repeatedly removed from the table to be cleaned *by the player.* For me (just talkin' about me) that lessens the integrity of the run. I feel that the balls should only be cleaned before the start of a run and if the CB must have some chalk removed from it it should be by an impartial party and certainly not by the player. Not saying anything funny is going on, but I do think the player himself moving the CB is not right. But that's just me.

Lou Figueroa
 
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