Heaven forbid if you asked to the hall owner to make sure the corner pocket openings are 5" minimum.
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I saw the table Willie ran the 526, I think if Ohio...
I saw the table Willie ran the 526, I think in Ohio somewhere, it seems like it was a basement pool room.
Is this right? It's been about 30 years ago, is this table still being used?
I saw the table Willie ran the 526, I think in Ohio somewhere, it seems like it was a basement pool room.
Is this right? It's been about 30 years ago, is this table still being used?
The room was in Springfield Ohio,,,,,second floor,
I forget the name and I forget the size of the pockets,,,so I assume they
were normal for the time,
Russ Maddox was partners with George Rood in the room,
John, I have never implied, much less said, you are a cheater.
I have only expressed my opinion that cleaning the balls after the start of a high run, and/or the player himself picking up and replacing the CB, and then claiming some sort of high run, is not to my taste. You're not breaking any rules, you're not cheating, and some folks think it's fine. All it is is some of the 14.1 purists, including me, feeling that doing those kinds of things lessens the run.
Let me put it this way: 50+ years later, people, including you, are ragging on Mosconi about the 4x8', that he demanded new cloth, brought his own polished balls, whatever. When I *suggest* to you that polishing balls mid-run lessens the integrity of the run and not your personal integrity, what I'm saying is: you are a great enough player to get "the record" without doing that -- so why give guys an opening to say the same stuff about you that people sometimes say of Mosconi? If you ran 527, running the balls through a polisher *every single rack,* it would still be a great accomplishment. It's just that there would be guys out there that would say 10, 25, 50, 100 years later: yeah, well, he couldn't have done it without polishing the balls.
You don't need to leave anyone the opening for putting "an asterisk" out there. I believe you can do it without any of that.
Lou Figueroa
that's a tremendous feat, and difficult to imagine
That was it, I remember walking down some stairs, and that must have been leaving. I remember the table was a 4/8 and it did have big pockets, it also had a sign nearby that stated the record by Mosconi.
Regardless, that's a tremendous feat, and difficult to imagine having the patience to run that many balls. I remember there was a rumor that a guy in New York ran 628 unofficially, but who knows?
Maybe if I coach Lou he would have a shot at the record.
hmmm, now that would be amazing indeed. :groucho:
That was it, I remember walking down some stairs, and that must have been leaving. I remember the table was a 4/8 and it did have big pockets, it also had a sign nearby that stated the record by Mosconi.
Regardless, that's a tremendous feat, and difficult to imagine having the patience to run that many balls. I remember there was a rumor that a guy in New York ran 628 unofficially, but who knows?
Maybe if I coach Lou he would have a shot at the record.
hmmm, now that would be amazing indeed. :groucho:
I think the name of the place was "East Side Billiards", but it has been a long time ago and I may not remember correctly. It was in Springfield, Ohio.
East High Billiard Club on East High Street in Springfield, OH.
625 by Mike Eufemia at an exhibition in Brooklyn in 1960.
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then hopefully i run 527 or more then no asterisks.
i think running 403 on 9ft without ever touching balls like i did is as difficult as 526 on 4x8 but anyway ill have to just to get the conditions right. oh yeah one more thing enough financial incentive to do something im positive i can do . ill keep in mind your thoughts so theres no asterisks thanks
fair enough ,i think ill get a 4x8 and somebody to rack and clean cueball for me and video it.
then hopefully i run 527 or more then no asterisks.
i think running 403 on 9ft without ever touching balls like i did is as difficult as 526 on 4x8 but anyway ill have to just to get the conditions right. oh yeah one more thing enough financial incentive to do something im positive i can do . ill keep in mind your thoughts so theres no asterisks thanks
That was it, I remember walking down some stairs, and that must have been leaving. I remember the table was a 4/8 and it did have big pockets, it also had a sign nearby that stated the record by Mosconi.
Regardless, that's a tremendous feat, and difficult to imagine having the patience to run that many balls. I remember there was a rumor that a guy in New York ran 628 unofficially, but who knows?
Maybe if I coach Lou he would have a shot at the record.
Mike Euphemia's run of 625 is mentioned above, but another New Yorker, Babe Cranfield of Syracuse claimed a run of 768, which pretty much dwarfs the other runs. Having known Babe in the late 70s, he recounted the event for me. The problem was, it was practice, and because nobody else witnessed it from start to finish, he had a problem documenting it, though he did say he tried to. I haven't heard of any higher runs, but who knows...
You are right. Thanks, I just couldn't remember.
2011 14.1 World on Youtube
There are about 20 matches on youtube of the 2011 14.1 World Tourney and on many of them the cueball is cleaned during an inning. The announcers even commented on an Ortmann match about how great a system he has with the chalk of putting it in the perfect spot so the cueball is returned to its exact position after cleaning...this is during an inning in the biggest 14.1 tourney ever. John has two runs of 400 (400 and 403 i believe) where the balls weren't touched..the debate is nonsense, if John or another player ever breaks Mosconi's record it won't be because they cleaned the balls..it will be because of their talent.
There are about 20 matches on youtube of the 2011 14.1 World Tourney and on many of them the cueball is cleaned during an inning. The announcers even commented on an Ortmann match about how great a system he has with the chalk of putting it in the perfect spot so the cueball is returned to its exact position after cleaning...this is during an inning in the biggest 14.1 tourney ever. John has two runs of 400 (400 and 403 i believe) where the balls weren't touched..the debate is nonsense, if John or another player ever breaks Mosconi's record it won't be because they cleaned the balls..it will be because of their talent.
Great post. Nobody knocks Mosconi for his run on a 4x8 with 5" pockets but if Schmidt runs a gargantuan number on a 4.5x9 with much smaller pockets and happens to clean the CB to prevent a skid... "they" want to put an asterisk beside the run. The run happened through raw talent...just like 526 on ANY table happened through raw talent.
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I agree with those who say Mosconi's 526 could and eventually will be broken but the thing about Mosconi is he ran 100+ in exhibitions all the time and then just quit. His 526 came on day when he just decided to see how many he could run for the heck of it. He got paid the same for the exhibition regardless which is why he usually quit without missing a ball.
If he had an incentive to do so, and if he knew how big a deal it would become, I have no doubt he could have put up a bigger number.
If he had an incentive to do so, and if he knew how big a deal it would become, I have no doubt he could have put up a bigger number.
Spider, really ? Nobody knocks Mosconi for his run ?? You're not new here are you
If you ran 525 and then stopped... You have a 4 ball hanging in the side and a 10 ball sitting in the corner. Now you have a moment of Zen. You have the chance to beat one of the highest debatable runs in history. Do you take your two shots or do you walk away and look at the picture of Willie on the wall and smile?? I guess you wouldn't know the answer to that unless you were in that moment.
Some would pick the cueball up and clean it
!!!Maniac (has no problems with that, either!!!)