What did I miss with the BCA instructors

[CJ Wiley]

the game can be easily learned and enjoyed with effective information

I was in a room not long ago. A local player is on a table with an instructor from this organization and a regular on this site. For nearly 3 hours all I saw was a video camera and eventually shooting stop shots into the side pocket, not much of anything else except 2 hours of attention to the elbow and what I assume was vertical forearm. Lets look at the video again.:scratchhead:
I was told this student paid big dollars for this lesson.
This student is a C player at best. I am confident I could teach him, elbow,vertical forearm, stop shot....and increase the distance of the stop shot by 6-8 ft in 2 hours or less, without the use of film, although I do think video is a good thing.
The same student has been on this site and has advertised lessons,taught by him as a B.C.A. instructor. He also advertises locally. According to him he is listed in your program.
I am an outside the box thinking instructor for 20 years. My theories and instructing methods work very well,my fee is minimal at best.

Now for my question.
How does an organization, 'Prestigious as this' warrant the fees this student paid for this lesson, and how is this student advertising as an instructor? He can't get out of the way of a turtle, nevermind a rack.
I am curious to where this money if any,,, is directed, does he pay a fee?
The instructor traveled across the country for this lesson, who pays for that?
In this area they are talking about the program, the instructor, and the student, the chatter isn't very pretty. (Northeast)
I think it is time to think out of the box a little.

This is not meant to be disrespectful or a knock on anyone. I believe all good intentions are in concern.
Sincerely, SmoothStroke

It's sad to see how difficult people are led to believe the Game is by instuctors that can't hardly complete a rack. This is not true, the game can be easily learned and enjoyed with effective information and knowledge. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com

 

[Mr. Bond]

Here's a novel idea: Call Shane and ask him.

For petes sake, if you want the truth, goto the source.

 

[randyg]

Hi Smoothstroke. I will try to answer with out being there.

Have a good day
randyg

I was in a room not long ago. A local player is on a table with an instructor from this organization and a regular on this site. For nearly 3 hours all I saw was a video camera and eventually shooting stop shots into the side pocket, not much of anything else except 2 hours of attention to the elbow and what I assume was vertical forearm. Lets look at the video again.:scratchhead:

Sounds like a review to me.

I was told this student paid big dollars for this lesson.
Did the student tell you this?

This student is a C player at best. I am confident I could teach him, elbow,vertical forearm, stop shot....and increase the distance of the stop shot by 6-8 ft in 2 hours or less, without the use of film, although I do think video is a good thing.
Why didn't you teach him?


The same student has been on this site and has advertised lessons,taught by him as a B.C.A. instructor. He also advertises locally. According to him he is listed in your program.
You mean P.B.I.A Instructor?

I am an outside the box thinking instructor for 20 years. My theories and instructing methods work very well,my fee is minimal at best.
I like that!

Now for my question.
How does an organization, 'Prestigious as this' warrant the fees this student paid for this lesson, and how is this student advertising as an instructor? He can't get out of the way of a turtle, nevermind a rack.
The fees surely go to the Instructor, not the Organization. There are different levels of instructors and different instructors at each level.

I am curious to where this money if any,,, is directed, does he pay a fee?
All P.B.I.A active instructors pays a small annual organizational fee. As in most businesses, P.B.I.A Instructors are allowed to set their own rates. This is their income.


The instructor traveled across the country for this lesson, who pays for that?
That's the Instructors expense.

In this area they are talking about the program, the instructor, and the student, the chatter isn't very pretty. (Northeast)
Sometimes clearing up confusion and rumors is not very pretty nor is it easy to do so.

I think it is time to think out of the box a little.

This is not meant to be disrespectful or a knock on anyone. I believe all good intentions are in concern.
Taken
Sincerely, SmoothStroke

 

[KRJ]

Good post Roger... I to left the BCA a few years ago, and then switched to the ACS... which makes more sense to me because I play in ACS leagues, and state tourneys.... so what the heck... and it's a great not-for-profit organization that also "certifies" instructors.

Also, Fredric Fechter is not a former Master Instuctor, he is only a former BCA M.I. He is currently a Master Instructor with the ACS. And because of the respect the ACS had for the BCA instructor program, they allowed any former or current BCA instructors to join ranks at the same level, not like you had to start out at the lowest level again....

Two good organzizations, but one recently had a "name" change for all intent and purposes.....but that has no bearing on the instructors or how they perform.....

 

[cardiac kid]

Good post Roger... I to left the BCA a few years ago, and then switched to the ACS... which makes more sense to me because I play in ACS leagues, and state tourneys.... so what the heck... and it's a great not-for-profit organization that also "certifies" instructors.

Also, Fredric Fechter is not a former Master Instuctor, he is only a former BCA M.I. He is currently a Master Instructor with the ACS. And because of the respect the ACS had for the BCA instructor program, they allowed any former or current BCA instructors to join ranks at the same level, not like you had to start out at the lowest level again....

Two good organzizations, but one recently had a "name" change for all intent and purposes.....but that has no bearing on the instructors or how they perform.....

RJ,

As I said in an earlier post, this thread has cost many qualified instructors more "pain" than necessary. Don't care what the name is or who sanctions them, the instructors I've met through the years have all been competent at their chosen profession. Think enough is enough.

I'll be at the ACS event in May. Are you going? I'll be playing 9 ball and Advanced 8 ball. Hope to meet you there!

Next time you travel through Rochester, drop me a PM.

Lyn

 

[Okie]

I'm in favor of good old fashioned capitalism where you have a business to offer a service or product that's more valuable than than the price you ask for it. Unfortunately politics sometime plays a role and can stunt potential growth, we've seen that in Professional Pool through the years.

The Golf Instruction has evolved a lot in the last 10 years, and Hank Haney was a part of that with his Golf Schools here in Texas. He researched Ben Hogan's teachings and worked with Mark O'meara for many years before his coaching of Tiger Woods. Maybe pocket billiards is ready for a similar path.

Pool instruction is in it's infancy. I would estimate that pool is at least 50 years behind golf in this regard.

This thread is a good example of growth and maturity. The top folks working on it and trying to sort it out. We all want pool to be promoted and improved. The problem is that most of the people involved wanna be the one who makes the lion share of the profit....selfishness and greed will not make this endeavor succeed. food for thought....

Sidenote:
You keep touting Hank Haney. I have seen his lessons and he is behind the best instructors. That said...he does have the lime light at the moment.

My $.02

Ken

 

[Mr. Bond]

Pool instruction is in it's infancy. I would estimate that pool is at least 50 years behind golf in this regard.

Infancy?
With all due respect sir, this is simply not true.

I agree with just about everything else you said.

 

[Neil]

Pool instruction is in it's infancy. I would estimate that pool is at least 50 years behind golf in this regard.

This thread is a good example of growth and maturity. The top folks working on it and trying to sort it out. We all want pool to be promoted and improved. The problem is that most of the people involved wanna be the one who makes the lion share of the profit....selfishness and greed will not make this endeavor succeed. food for thought....

Sidenote:
You keep touting Hank Haney. I have seen his lessons and he is behind the best instructors. That said...he does have the lime light at the moment.

My $.02

Ken

Ken, I'm not quite understanding this post. Seems like you think the lower level instructors pay the higher level instructors a share of their income. This is not so. Each instructor is an independent business man, what they make is only determined by what they charge and the number of students they have.

 

[Okie]

Infancy?
With all due respect sir, this is simply not true.

I agree with just about everything else you said.

Maybe my wording doesn't sit well with you but my point is that pool instruction has a lot of maturing to do yet.

Thanks!

Ken

 

[KRJ]

RJ,

As I said in an earlier post, this thread has cost many qualified instructors more "pain" than necessary. Don't care what the name is or who sanctions them, the instructors I've met through the years have all been competent at their chosen profession. Think enough is enough.

I'll be at the ACS event in May. Are you going? I'll be playing 9 ball and Advanced 8 ball. Hope to meet you there!

Next time you travel through Rochester, drop me a PM.

Lyn

Hey Lyn,,, I"m going to the IL ACS tourney at end of March... no plans to attend the nationals this year.... saving some vacation time for a big trip I have planned for family in august.... see ya, RJ

 

[Okie]

Ken, I'm not quite understanding this post. Seems like you think the lower level instructors pay the higher level instructors a share of their income. This is not so. Each instructor is an independent business man, what they make is only determined by what they charge and the number of students they have.

I did not mean to imply anything about who got paid by whom. I understand that each instructor is his own boss. I meant to point out that we seem to lack a widespread spirit of cooperation.

I will be the first to admit my communication skills suck. Thanks for being patient with me!

Thanks!

Ken