Las Vegas & Pro Pool - What I am Talking about Here is the Future

Fast Lenny

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Well I was thinking about some of the trouble with pool and the pro players not making much money in it because pool itself is not in trouble on the amateur level. The big thing is the expenses it takes which are usually $1000-$2000, maybe $500 for some local stuff within driving range for a pro event.

If all the players were in Vegas along with events I think pro pool would have a chance. I think when Bonus Ball starts and the players are there and living in Vegas we will see more events in Las Vegas from other promoters because the attendance will be high. Just look at some of the recent events and the attendance numbers, stronger players and larger fields then years past in the Reno bar table and California tournaments such as the Chet Itow and Swanee.

I really hate to see pool players having to go out in the middle of nowhere with high room rates and lots of money in expenses, they have to finish really high to make a little money. If pro pool was centralized in Las Vegas then players would have a chance to make a living as they do not have to fly there, pay hotels and all of that, also housing in Las Vegas is very affordable.

The weather there is much better then freezing your butt off at other events along with other things to do instead of being trapped. Oh and did I mention some of the greatest food in the world too. I think it would be easier and more enjoyable asking your significant other to go to Vegas to watch a tournament and being able to do other things besides that when you want as opposed to other venues where you are stuck. Flights are cheap also.

Tons of pool fans come to Vegas all the time so having pro events there on a regular basis would make sense I think. I know there is the downside you will say about gambling and all of that in Vegas but players go to casinos for other events so I believe most would be fine there and those who can't control themselves will stay busted but that could just be the personality type they have.

I think events like the US Open 9 ball and DCC would have bigger attendance there also. The US Open 9 ball might actually be able to make it with the backing of a casino since its the longest running tournament and gets some big names, maybe they would be able to play players and get it right. If not I hope Barry sells the name to Mark so Mark can do it in Vegas and do it right. Just some of my thoughts, feel free to chime in with yours.

P.S. Who knows, maybe the casinos will start booking pool too if there are some big events there.
 
Good thoughts, Lenny, but Vegas is not everybody's cup of tea.

For those in Arizona, California, et cetera, very convenient. For those of us on the East Coast, it's not so convenient.

The weather when I was in Vegas was so hot that they had fans blowing water on pedestrians walking down the sidewalks, and there are barkers and town criers handing out flyers with hooker photos and phone numbers. I guess some folks enjoy this atmosphere, but not everybody may find it fun.

The distractions are plentiful in Vegas. I could elaborate, but you've been there. You know what it is.

The U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, I kind of like it on the East Coast. It gives balance to the tournament trail in general.

In sum, I don't think Vegas is "central," but I appreciate your positive outlook and good thoughts. :cool:
 
Good thoughts, Lenny, but Vegas is not everybody's cup of tea.

For those in Arizona, California, et cetera, very convenient. For those of us on the East Coast, it's not so convenient.

The weather when I was in Vegas was so hot that they had fans blowing water on pedestrians walking down the sidewalks, and there are barkers and town criers handing out flyers with hooker photos and phone numbers. I guess some folks enjoy this atmosphere, but not everybody may find it fun.

The distractions are plentiful in Vegas. I could elaborate, but you've been there. You know what it is.

The U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, I kind of like it on the East Coast. It gives balance to the tournament trail in general.

In sum, I don't think Vegas is "central," but I appreciate your positive outlook and good thoughts. :cool:


Very good point. Vegas is okay for amateur leagues once a year to go out there and party and have fun. I would bet 90% of them come back busted or definitely with less money than they left with.

Who would be in the stands watching these events? I went to the pro 10 ball tournament in May last year and the attendance was embarrassing to say the least. Even the amateurs don't watch because..HELLO...ITS VEGAS BABY! Most of them are indulging themselves when they are not competing in the amateur tournaments.
 
I just read a whole lot of "I think this would be cool and here is how I am going to rationalize it to you all", and absolutely none of "Here are all of the reasons why this is actually a good idea, which makes it cool".
 
First of all, I'm doubtful the bonus ball league will even get started so there goes the base of your theory. Other than that, yea it's a good place for events and casinos can add money but it doesn't mean fans will show up. Vegas is a distracting place. During us open 10ball, it's not uncommon to see efren, busty and crew at the poker tables til 8am when they have a 11am match.

The best part about the us open and other tournaments in the middle of nowhere, they at least stay up to get in action with each other.
 
I just read a whole lot of "I think this would be cool and here is how I am going to rationalize it to you all", and absolutely none of "Here are all of the reasons why this is actually a good idea, which makes it cool".

Here is a summary.

Reasons why its a good idea...

Inexpensive housing and hotels
Some players will be there already
No travel expenses or inexpensive travel
Other things to do for pool fans who come there every week
Players can actually make a living

Reasons its a bad idea...

Gambling capital of the world (not sure its really bad)
Vegas is not for everyone

I am sure you can add to both list but one thing is for sure even though Vegas is not for everyone, I also say being stuck in the middle of nowhere in an overpriced hotel room with crap food stinks too. Oh and I forgot the cold weather, I will take the heat any day. :smile:
 
First of all, I'm doubtful the bonus ball league will even get started so there goes the base of your theory. Other than that, yea it's a good place for events and casinos can add money but it doesn't mean fans will show up. Vegas is a distracting place. During us open 10ball, it's not uncommon to see efren, busty and crew at the poker tables til 8am when they have a 11am match.

The best part about the us open and other tournaments in the middle of nowhere, they at least stay up to get in action with each other.
Can we make a wager that Bonus Ball starts?
 
I must be missing something. You're suggesting the fix to pro pool is for all pro pool players to simply move to the same city? Like live there?

I mean... what?
Don't these players have friends, families, homes?
 
I must be missing something. You're suggesting the fix to pro pool is for all pro pool players to simply move to the same city? Like live there?

I mean... what?
Don't these players have friends, families, homes?

If you have a job that will provide a home and an income for yourself and your family then you sometimes need to relocate. These players are on the road already and most do not have families they are tied down to. You think its crazy what I am suggesting but I think its crazy that players pay out most of their money in expenses traveling and hotels plus bills back home, its a double whammy. Some players do not even have homes and go from place to place like a rolling stone, they could just make Vegas there home and be a bit happier I think.
 
Vegas is the last place I'd want to raise a family...didn't you watch "Casino"......:rolleyes:
 
I love and spend a lot of time in Vegas, probably about 3 months a year on average. If you DON'T GAMBLE and don't get caught spending money on the Strip, it's just like everywhere else. It's just really hot there in the summer, but I handle the hot weather better than the cold. So I am ok with it.

If I were a pro, I would definitely consider living in Vegas.
 
Who would be in the stands watching these events? I went to the pro 10 ball tournament in May last year and the attendance was embarrassing to say the least. Even the amateurs don't watch because..HELLO...ITS VEGAS BABY! Most of them are indulging themselves when they are not competing in the amateur tournaments.


thats right, Vegas grabs hold of people and they never show up. Vegas is the WORST possible place for pool, way to many distractions. Atlanta is a good spot cause its central to 75% of pool.
 
It's a pretty wild idea. I guess it can work for some, the unattached ones, but what's johnny archer gonna do with two kids and a wife and a business? I was trying to think of any sport/activity that succeeded by basically just moving everyone close together.

Maybe all the top poker players are all hanging in vegas?
Do all the olympic level skiers prefer one area like aspen or something?

It's a pretty out-there idea, but I gotta admit, I've heard worse on here.
Think of how stoked that one pool room owner will be in vegas who gets 90% of the pros visiting his place regularly.
 
location location location

have it in the geological center of north america, where would that be?
 
You have some good ideas Lenny, and I know you have done whatever you possibly can to help promote professional pool, thank you, bud!
My question would be the economics.
Where will the money come from, especially at first?
I don't think the casinos will spend more money than they take in at first.
Second, most of the players have little money, so when they get there how will they survive unless they are in the top 10% or less of the winners every month.
Almost every time I ever saw pool players make money and have some left to gamble with each other was when there was a huge influx of cash from a drug dealer, bookie or some rich eccentric.
Then the trickle down theory works.
I know some of the players will have backers, but that means you have to win twice as often, which is going to really narrow the field of winners. Everyone else will be losers and won't be able to last long financially.
I think it is a viable idea if there is tv coverage sponsorships Pay Per View for top matches etc. but without those factors I just don't know how it would happen financially.
If those things are in the works, you my friend deserve to be involved and I wish you all the best.
 
If you build it, they will come?

It might work. Only one way to find out.
 
Las vegas

Lenny, I think you have a good idea.
it works for everything else, it should work for pool
 
I just think the problem is people want to hold big events in their backyards so to speak, look at DCC, Turning Stone, US Open or many others including Galveston. People get more bang for their buck in Vegas then in these places, would be cheaper for pros so they make more money. Most of these pro players do not enjoy going into the middle of nowhere and paying a ton of money praying to get at least 4th or 3rd place to break even.

I know many of you guys out there enjoy going to these in your neck of the woods once a year and it works great for fans who are local and also the promoter who lives nearby. I am really talking about pro players making a living which with the way things are is making it extremely unrealistic or practical for them and has been for a long time. One thing I hope as I stated before is that Mark Griffin buys the US Open 9 Ball name if he can and carry that tournament on but in Las Vegas instead where it can actually be successful, what is that name worth anyway?
 
I love and spend a lot of time in Vegas, probably about 3 months a year on average. If you DON'T GAMBLE and don't get caught spending money on the Strip, it's just like everywhere else. It's just really hot there in the summer, but I handle the hot weather better than the cold. So I am ok with it.

If I were a pro, I would definitely consider living in Vegas.

I have a place in Vegas now and go back and forth there, it is just another city for the most part to me. I like to gamble but not on sucker games so the casinos do not draw me in except for a buffet, would rather play poker or pool betting my money. I think some players would do just fine there and others might be broke but those guys are probably already broke. One thing is for sure there is always friends who you know coming into town a good deal who want to go out and have fun, I have to remind them I live here and if I went out every time a friend came into town I would be broke or dead, maybe both, haha.
 
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