Stop making new pool games.

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WOW! Thanks Cleary for the marketing advice! I have two orders already! Thank you folks!

THIS IS MY CLEARY SPECIAL

So many false statements and induendo's. We have custom Game sets for sale for those that want to have Aramith Bonus Balls and the full working versions of our scoreboard. It comes at a price and it is about as much as one racing tire for my WISSOTA Modified racing car. Now I buy 20 a year for my car, so perhaps, buying a set of modern state of the art Aramith Balls (that far out last my racing tires) and state of the art, computer software is not within everyones reach!

I will today only, in honor of Mr. Cleary, sell sets at TWO FOR ONE! That is 24 hrs only. For a special, special Bonus, I will throw in enough balls for you to also play eight ball and One Pocket with them! Wow. Great deal there! Those orders must be received by paypal by mid-night, Thursday in Las Vegas! That is more than 24 hrs. Simply write in the special instruction box..."Clearly, Cleary has helped me save money today!"
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You're welcome. How's this, since I'm booting the popularity of your game, how about you send me a set of your special balls, ill try the game and create a video review of the game. Ill be honest. Also, a Mika jersey in XXL
 
vpbb123 said:
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WOW! Thanks Cleary for the marketing advice! I have two orders already! Thank you folks!

THIS IS MY CLEARY SPECIAL

So many false statements and induendo's. We have custom Game sets for sale for those that want to have Aramith Bonus Balls and the full working versions of our scoreboard. It comes at a price and it is about as much as one racing tire for my WISSOTA Modified racing car. Now I buy 20 a year for my car, so perhaps, buying a set of modern state of the art Aramith Balls (that far out last my racing tires) and state of the art, computer software is not within everyones reach!

I will today only, in honor of Mr. Cleary, sell sets at TWO FOR ONE! That is 24 hrs only. For a special, special Bonus, I will throw in enough balls for you to also play eight ball and One Pocket with them! Wow. Great deal there! Those orders must be received by paypal by mid-night, Thursday in Las Vegas! That is more than 24 hrs. Simply write in the special instruction box..."Clearly, Cleary has helped me save money today!"
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Do they come with a receipt or did some asshole steal them? Just curious.
 
Obviously, they are marketed by the World Wide Sport of Billiards and as Executive vice-president and co-owner of the company, you can be rest assured the ball sets were not stolen. However, you are obviously a buddy of Larry Chiborak or some of the rest of the crew sitting at the studio waiting for something to happen with the WPBL. Perhaps grab a putty knife and start filling in the dry wall screws and get this show on the road.

Im dying to see this happen. My shares are apparently worthless as maybe is this whole WPBL mess. Get busy and make this happen. I'll worry about marketing to the amateurs! That's my company and that's my job! I do it well!
 
vpbb123 said:
Obviously, they are marketed by the World Wide Sport of Billiards and as Executive vice-president and co-owner of the company, you can be rest assured the ball sets were not stolen. However, you are obviously a buddy of Larry Chiborak or some of the rest of the crew sitting at the studio waiting for something to happen with the WPBL. Perhaps grab a putty knife and start filling in the dry wall screws and get this show on the road.

Im dying to see this happen. My shares are apparently worthless as maybe is this whole WPBL mess. Get busy and make this happen. I'll worry about marketing to the amateurs! That's my company and that's my job! I do it well!
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Word is that you are not affiliated with Bonus Ball.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Word is that you are not affiliated with Bonus Ball.
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One thing about words, they can be spoken in truth and lies. Barry Bremner is Mr. Bonus Ball. Even my initials are BB. Jesus what a mind boogling statement...I'm not affiliated with my company! LOL That was not me promoting Bonus Ball in the beginning, that was not me standing with Larry Chiborak when the County informed him that there were no permits that he paid over 30k for. It was not me who was at Montana promoting Bonus Ball all week. It was not me! LOL

I am not affiliated with the WPBL Boon Doogle anymore, by my choice. I want financials presented to me before I will tell the world that Chiborak actually has funds that he brags about.

He was shaking like a leaf in January telling me how he was going to lose everything because of this contractor. Next thing I know, he turns on me. Why, I was honest with Steve Moore and Rodney Morris. We were having dinner and they asked me does he have the million dollars he says he's putting up for prize money. I said I hope so but I don't know. I still don't know. My advice is for the players to protect their asses. That is what I intend to do.

I am still the vice-president and shareholder of Bonus Ball, the World Wide Sport of Billiards. Larry may have a new company that he sold shares to for the WPBL. I am not affiliated with that company, that you can be sure of. I was told that it is actually being disolved to form another company in Canada which I was not going to have any shares in but could have a job! LOL It is an ugly picture. The WPBL is a sad business story that may end up worse than the IPT.

It is business as usual with me and if anyone wants to play Bonus Ball and learn this new strategic game, send me your request at www.playbonusball.com You will soon see if I really am affiliated or not!
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You were teaching the 6 people that live in Montana Bonus Ball -- pure genius to start there.

You are a shareholder in Bonus Ball but have no idea of the financials of either the man that owns it or the organization itself. More pure genius.
 
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Dont know if this is related but besides all the new games being created, we also have what seems to be a shift back to the 10 footers. Now we get to not only play 7-ball, 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, rotation, american rotation, banks, 14.1, bonus ball, one pocket, etc. but also get to play them on bar boxes, 8 ft, over sized 8 ft, 9 ft, and now back to 10 ft tables. Not necessarily a complaint by me but it starts to paint a picture of why there will never be a universally recognized governing body for the pool world.
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New Conception would be a solution for that issue. Also, the pool world needs only one more game which would finally increase its popularity. The New Conception 8 Ball. It would not only bring balance and make competitions much larger and more interesting, but people would also enjoy watching a dinamic game, with balls flying around, multiple object balls getting potted, instead of watching slow ancient games we have now.
 
vpbb123 said:
I will today only, in honor of Mr. Cleary, sell sets at TWO FOR ONE! That is 24 hrs only. For a special, special Bonus, I will throw in enough balls for you to also play eight ball and One Pocket with them! Wow. Great deal there! Those orders must be received by paypal by mid-night, Thursday in Las Vegas! That is more than 24 hrs.
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1) Did you pay for the ball sets that you're selling? No, you did not.
2) Did you have permission to take 50 ball sets from the venue? No, you did not.
3) Are you giving the profits of the sales to the company that you're self-appointed Vice President of? No, you are not.
4) Were you dismissed from you position at Bonus Ball 6 months ago but still continue to pretend like you're still associated with them?


In legal terms, I'm pretty sure that's what we call "theft".
 
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It is not hard for me to find out who you are Dave...So, I noticed you were commentating my joke of a match at shooters. I was really curious who you were, with all the Runoutmedia gear but didn't bother to ask.

Yes I found it on your profile...I'm certainly not happy with this...

In legal terms I think you are trying to slander me to take away the attention from Larry Chiborak!

1) YES

2) YES

3) YES

4) No

Dismissed 6 months ago? Well I know that Larry Chiborak has not issued me any notice that I was FIRED because he was with me in Janurary when I found out that he was

being duped...hmmm was that was when I was dismissed? Count on your fingers when you want to post lies. LOL Silly Dave! By the way , you were in the building, why did I have to

find out about the rat nibbling on the huge big piece of cheese! Duh guys!



He could send me written notice any time. I will accept being fired. I will also love the back pay and severance pay due!!!

Your grasping into thin air. This Boon Doogle has gone far enough. Man up to the players and the pool fans. This charade needs to stop now. Produce financials and then let the

games begin! LOL


This investor stuff is what can be termed illegal. If you want to see some very hurtful documents I can always post those. Im not trying to defend myself anyways, it is Larry

Chiborak that will be answering question to people in the future. Get a life. No actually, get over to TAR and get a job!
 
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1. D_ Lewis is not Dave McColl. They hold their beer different.

2. This is amazing. I love a good train wreck.
 
20 years ago in Vegas I lived in a apt just behind the Flamingo casino, I faced South and there was a 2-3 acre parcel of land there with a trailor on it, one of the ones you have to go up the ladder to get to, a construction site trailer. Had the blue prints in it, hard hats for those who came to do a site inspection. At the entrance there was a (I'm guessing $200,000) 50' tall sign that was finished "Caribbean Hotel & Casino" it read the first year then because they didnt have a gaming license the "Casino" part of the sign was removed.

There was a big yellow tractor and forklift and 4 -5 pieces of concrete sewer line the big 4' in diameter kind. For all the world it looked like a construction site.

Well during the time I lived there the Treasure Island opened up and so did Luxor both are 3000 room joints, Luxor mite be 2700 rooms back then, they didnt have the tower rooms on the north side as first. point is casino's came out of the ground, The MGM was built then too, 3 brand new places in about 2 years give or take.


Across from my little balcony sat the Caribbean casino hotel, I didnt have a job, or biz at the time i just scrapped by from what i managed at the pool room, so I had time to watch this thing and from time to time they would relocate the trailer, the cement sewer pipes etc. they would start to dig a trench once in a while 3 maybe 4 times is all.


I couldnt figure it out, the sign looked so good, location was on Flamingo BL, there is a joint built over this site now, cant recall the name.

Back to my story, What was going on?

So I started asking people who had been in Vegas for many years-remember this was 20-22 years ago. I finally found out....

Back in the day after someone went off in the casino if they fit the profile and were not busted, the gaming hosts would pitch the "Get on the other side of the dice table pitch" or what ever game, so own a piece of a casino stop being a sucker. they would take them in a limo to the job site that looked like a active worksite(just when the mark would show up) and have them "invest" in the project.


that explained everything, why it would sit for months and then there would be movement. I also found out this was a small one, the last one. the Big one that had been going for years in on Las Vegas BL where the new Federal Court house is, they ran this scam there since the 70's to the 90's then moved it to Flamingo.


A guy who just took a pounding from the casino is a desperate man and desperate people do desperate things. Investing in a casino looks like the nuts to him, and so for almost 30 years the "building a casino scam" worked real good.

I never knew who was behind it, dont want to know.


Not saying anything about Larry or Bonus Ball, or implying anything at all i have no knowledge about anything, like i said i heard the other day it looked favorable.

I'm just talking about scams, they last as long as the people involved are desperate or have $$$ assuming the scam promoters dont get caught. I'm not sure if the building a casino guys ever got popped, they might have been smart and shut down before they got shut down.

On another topic:

Barry sounds desperate, sure he still is loaded, but that dont cure desperate-that makes him a mark(until he wises up or gets broke) I think he will wises up first-they usually do, or he is tossing Larry under the bus for some reason we dont understand, the VP of a Company cause you paid for that position? that all sounds consistent with bad biz. SOmeone is going to get the worst of it here.

Fatboy has seen this many times, and im getting out the popcorn...
 
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vpbb123 said:
Yes, I most certainly can, my friend. Now that I'm promoting Bonus Ball on my own, I will put up a page on www.playbonusball.com recapping the test league with all the matches. That is about a weeks worth of work but I most certainly believe that talk is cheap and to show my integrity and honesty, I will get on that right away. I will post it when it is up! You will see top Canadian players like Shannon Ducharme who is a BCA Canadian National champion, I believe, and Berry Mclean who won our scoring title. There were also three players from that league that competed in the US Nine Ball Open after our season. You will even see low level players, like myself, who also had fun competing because in Bonus Ball, you get so many more visits to the table, that it is that much fun!

Great idea! Anybody that posts legitimate questions will always get a response from me. If you want to talk trash, please send your emails to barry@playbonusball.com
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So your saying you get all the legitimate questions and larry gets the BS. I would of thought the exact opposite since LC is the owner. oh well....
 
vpbb123 said:
It is not hard for me to find out who you are Dave...So, I noticed you were commentating my joke of a match at shooters. I was really curious who you were, with all the Runoutmedia gear but didn't bother to ask.

Yes I found it on your profile...I'm certainly not happy with this...

In legal terms I think you are trying to slander me to take away the attention from Larry Chiborak!

1) YES

2) YES

3) YES

4) No

Dismissed 6 months ago? Well I know that Larry Chiborak has not issued me any notice that I was FIRED because he was with me in Janurary when I found out that he was

being duped...hmmm was that was when I was dismissed? Count on your fingers when you want to post lies. LOL Silly Dave! By the way , you were in the building, why did I have to

find out about the rat nibbling on the huge big piece of cheese! Duh guys!



He could send me written notice any time. I will accept being fired. I will also love the back pay and severance pay due!!!

Your grasping into thin air. This Boon Doogle has gone far enough. Man up to the players and the pool fans. This charade needs to stop now. Produce financials and then let the

games begin! LOL


This investor stuff is what can be termed illegal. If you want to see some very hurtful documents I can always post those. Im not trying to defend myself anyways, it is Larry

Chiborak that will be answering question to people in the future. Get a life. No actually, get over to TAR and get a job!
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My name is Dan Lewis (gambler and rail tester extroidinaire) I'm friends with Nathan and Dave along with a few of the pros signed up for Bonus Ball.

Couple things I noticed quickly;
-serverance packages are based on hours worked. How many hours were you paid for? As long as he gave you a weeks notice (which apparently it's been 6 months and you still don't get it) he doesn't have to pay you out. (In my job, these type of situations come up a lot and since its a Canadian company I guarantee you wouldn't be getting squat)
-thanks for your suggestion on the new job for me. If Justin needs my services and can match my current wage, I'd be more than willing to relocate to Las Vegas to errand run for him or set up tables for the BCA tournament at the Rio. It was an excellent suggestion! I may be the highest paid gopher in the world! Sweet.
-just give it all up. You were/are an embarrassment to the whole situation. I've watched on here for months of you acting like an idiot and driving this game/company into the ground. A lot of people who would have gave it a chance before now won't even consider it because you're just so annoying and stupid. I'm sure you're a great guy, NASCAR would be lucky to have you but for people with at least half a brain, you're the big purple elephant.
 
Off the rails and taking the bridge down too.
 

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