TAR Pros On Aim Systems & Jump Cues
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14/14 use them however; correct?
The only reason pros are pros is the fact they do not share their secrets, not even with their brothers!! it is their $$ income.
Pool is known for words like feel, lucky, good stroke-and Alex P. tried to put a new twist on stroke yesterday, by saying "i stroke it differently every time depending on the situation and how he feels, b.s. he knows why he changes it!!, talented, sharp shooter, and many others to divert "wanna be" from becoming pros.
There is no substitute to learning all 4000 shots possibilities in pool, "Deep Passion" for the sport, and practice-it is hard work.
I assume you are talking about Shane? Darren has also said he uses an aiming system, at least on rail shots.
If Justin had Stevie or Landon on, that would be two more.
Everyone uses some sort of alignment/aiming system. Most of the top players though are so in tune, that they don't think about it.
Johnnyt, if you are counting Shane as the 1/14 who uses a "system", check out the TAR ppv of Shane. I bought it (actually to see the HD and vod system). After watching that I concluded Shane is a feel player and uses parts of his shaft to have a "picture" in his mind of the feel.
Shane doesbt use anything like a discreet aim here to make ball system.
Busty doesbt use CTE.
Alex does different things each shot.
Carry on aim magic bulleteers
Shane doesbt use anything like a discreet aim here to make ball system.
Busty doesbt use CTE.
Alex does different things each shot.
Carry on aim magic bulleteers
Johnny, you and Justin seem to think that this somehow invalidates aiming systems. It doesn't. It only means that they don't use them... yet. They don't know what they don't know is all it means.
Busty said he has problems with a certain shot. Well....there are at least two aiming systems that would alleviate that problem in a couple of hours.
Alex stated that he uses different fundamentals at different times. He uses what works for him at the time. Maybe some of you should take a clue from HIS attitude... don't take "sides" on an issue, use what works for you.
Just because some pros don't use something, does not equate to whether or not that something works or has merit.Do they need a system?
Maybe the Pro's dont use a system because their Pro's? Maybe a system works best for someone who wants to become a Pro and is having a tuff time improving their level of play.
Take the average player and tell him that you can get him to next level by improving his ball pocketing skills and he wont care what the Pro's do or dont do if it moves his game up.
Hill Billy uses a system and if his system could get you to his speed, that aint bad, he's no short stop.
Maybe the Pro's dont use a system because their Pro's? Maybe a system works best for someone who wants to become a Pro and is having a tuff time improving their level of play.
Take the average player and tell him that you can get him to next level by improving his ball pocketing skills and he wont care what the Pro's do or dont do if it moves his game up.
Hill Billy uses a system and if his system could get you to his speed, that aint bad, he's no short stop.
Johnnyt, if you are counting Shane as the 1/14 who uses a "system", check out the TAR ppv of Shane. I bought it (actually to see the HD and vod system). After watching that I concluded Shane is a feel player and uses parts of his shaft to have a "picture" in his mind of the feel.
Shane doesbt use anything like a discreet aim here to make ball system.
Busty doesbt use CTE.
Alex does different things each shot.
Carry on aim magic bulleteers
I think Shane really does use the system but he really doesn't need to. I think it's a comfort thing for him.
There are more ways to use the shaft system for thicker cuts (that I use), that didn't make the video because he doesnt do it.
You talking about me?Johnny, you and Justin seem to think that this somehow invalidates aiming systems. It doesn't. It only means that they don't use them... yet. They don't know what they don't know is all it means.
Busty said he has problems with a certain shot. Well....there are at least two aiming systems that would alleviate that problem in a couple of hours.
Alex stated that he uses different fundamentals at different times. He uses what works for him at the time. Maybe some of you should take a clue from HIS attitude... don't take "sides" on an issue, use what works for you.
I have no real opinion on aiming systems other than if they work for someone more power to them. Everyone learns and sees things different. The idea that there is some magical system that will make you instantly better by using it without actually putting in the time to practice is a bit humorous to me though.
I just don't see what your point is. Some of them use aiming systems and they all use jump cues.
Shane, Dechaine and Appleton have all been on recently and they all use aiming systems for certain shots and different systems for other shots.
Do you need a system to be a top player? No. Will a system make you a top player? No. Will a system make you a good player? No. Can a system improve a weak players pocketing? Yes. Does any of it matter if your a bartable monster with ridgeback rails? No. Would I still try you some? Yes.
I use aiming systems all the time, but when i am playing i do not really think about it. I just do it automatically. I feel like i am just shooting by feel but i know the aiming systems that I believe in enhance that fell. For example i cannot shoot a straight in shot without thinking it a number 1. I am no pro for sure but to say your not using an aiming system is bogus your stance and your body positions plus your eye patterns are developed around falling in line with shot and that is by definition a aiming system a method to arrive at the same point the target. Imo of course. Comming from blind bat
Forgive me if I took it wrong, but last night on the podcast chat, you sure seemed to take the attitude of "see, they don't use one" and implying that aiming systems are nonsense.
I totally agree that everyone sees things differently, and one has to find what works for them. And, that aiming systems are not a "magical bullet". Any system requires time at the table, and once properly learned, they become subconscious and may not even be noticed by anyone.
That said, you would be surprised how much aiming systems will help immediately with certain shots. Especially equal/opposite and 90/90 on shots where the cb and ob are close together. Like Busty, I too have trouble "seeing" those shots anymore. (age sucks sometimes) So, the E/O system doesn't always work for me unless I really study the shot. But....I can take that close shot, do the 90/90 on it, and fire it right in the hole. And, each time I do that, I can't help but say to myself "this system is so cool!" Don't even feel like I aimed it at all. Just did a couple simple steps, and fired the ball in!
If only I knew the "secrets" and the aiming systems, oh well guess ill keep my day job. It's called talent and hard work people
Spacial comprehension and memory trumps geometry which is an associative learning tool for those that can percieve angles. One can start with such angular based tools like DD etc. until the memory recalls the perceptions and becomes aligned with the lay of the land pocket/target, OB and CB.
When this happens, one can just drop down on the shot at hand and enter the zone/dead punch. After hitting a million balls without a particular system, the mind/memory takes over and balls start dropping. This is also true for the other elements of th shot like english, speed, condition of the cloth and rails.
Tools are useful for many.
When this happens, one can just drop down on the shot at hand and enter the zone/dead punch. After hitting a million balls without a particular system, the mind/memory takes over and balls start dropping. This is also true for the other elements of th shot like english, speed, condition of the cloth and rails.
Tools are useful for many.
"Talent" is nothing more than having learned how to do something. "Systems" are one way of learning that. No one is questioning the hard work part, although knowing some systems can really alleviate just how much hard work you have to do.
A more interesting question would be: "Did you ever use an aiming system when you were learning to play?"
A system is a starting point. The objective is that the system becomes second nature; you get to the point where you perform the task without even thinking about it. At that point you say "no, I don't use a system, I just use feel".
It's like learning to play the piano at a professional, classical level. It begins as an intensely structured system. But as you master the piano and the system, you achieve a point at which your emotions can take control of the process...and then you're playing by "feel."
A system is a starting point. The objective is that the system becomes second nature; you get to the point where you perform the task without even thinking about it. At that point you say "no, I don't use a system, I just use feel".
It's like learning to play the piano at a professional, classical level. It begins as an intensely structured system. But as you master the piano and the system, you achieve a point at which your emotions can take control of the process...and then you're playing by "feel."
"System" means "something to look at"
By the definition of the word it would be safe to say ever pro has "something to look at". To play a pool shot the way you intend you must have a system, there's no way around it, and it must be visual, then it can become more kinesthetic at a later time, just not completely. Just because a person does something by routine and it's natural doesn't mean the routine isn't a system, it definitely is.
We even use a system to walk around the table and chalk our cues.
"System" means "something to look at". You must have a very high visual gradient to have systematization. In philosophy, before Descartes, there was no "system". Plato had no "system". Aristotle had no "system". (Marshall McLuhan in: McLuhan: Hot & Cool. Ed. by Gerald Emanuel Stearn. A Signet Book published by The New American Library, New York, 1967, p. 288). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System
By the definition of the word it would be safe to say ever pro has "something to look at". To play a pool shot the way you intend you must have a system, there's no way around it, and it must be visual, then it can become more kinesthetic at a later time, just not completely. Just because a person does something by routine and it's natural doesn't mean the routine isn't a system, it definitely is.
We even use a system to walk around the table and chalk our cues.
"System" means "something to look at". You must have a very high visual gradient to have systematization. In philosophy, before Descartes, there was no "system". Plato had no "system". Aristotle had no "system". (Marshall McLuhan in: McLuhan: Hot & Cool. Ed. by Gerald Emanuel Stearn. A Signet Book published by The New American Library, New York, 1967, p. 288). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System
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They have to because they are legal in most tournaments here. If they didn't get one and learn how to use it they'd be giving away a ball or more in the matches they are legal in. Bustamante said they don't use them in the PI. Johnnyt