Rip-off Report on Glen, The Real King Cobra

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it takes an awful lot to get me to this point, but here I am:

MODS: I will drill the holes in the rocks and slide the dynomite sticks in for you.

Please light a match.

best,
brian kc
 
Anyone else want to call names and be abusive?

Knock the crap off.

No further warnings will be given and the people who can't follow the rules will be banned.
 
realkingcobra said:
The problem with the people that work on pool tables in this industry is that most all of them are self-taught, or learned from someone else that was self-taught. There's no schools, books or anything written that are even remotely close to being right, so...where does a table mechanic learn to become a table mechanic? Through trial and error is where 99.9% of them learn, the difference is the table mechanic that sits back and looks at the job he did, and asks himself...could I have done that better, and if he answers yes, then he looks to improve on this or that, and after every job he does, he always asks himself that same question...until one day he finally runs out of answers, and that's where I come in, to talk him to another level that he never knew existed, and that is only through demonstration, the learning process still falls upon him to absorb in what he was just shown, or it'll go right over his head. If the latter happens, I'll show him again, and explain what I did in 3 or 4 different ways in the hopes that one of the ways will click and he then understands, but it's still up to him to use his new found skills...and there lies the problem. It's like speaking a new language, if you don't keep remembering what the words are and what they mean, sooner or later you may start to forget the meanings.

So, there's a lot that I look for in a table mechanic before I'll agree to teaching someone a new level of working on pool tables. And trust me when I say you can't turn to the manufactures for this kind of teaching either, as they deal mostly in new tables, which don't have the same problems that older tables have from everyone already working on them in the past. And sometimes even the table manufactures have it wrong right from the start, you can believe that too;)

As Mark Gregory would say, it's the job of a real table mechanic to fix, repair, modify, replace or redesign what the last table mechanic did, or the factory who built the table, but it's not our job to build the table in the first place!

Glen
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Finally- best post in the thread/book/historical drama/pissing contest/ whatever else this many pages has contributed or included. It may not have anything to do with the OP, but its still the best overall post in the thread. And probably the best answer I've seen you give in months. Almost like the good old days when we wanted to change table mechanics and educate people. Almost want to rep this one. Got my quarter.... Heads or tails?
 
Cuephoric said:
Finally- best post in the thread/book/historical drama/pissing contest/ whatever else this many pages has contributed or included. It may not have anything to do with the OP, but its still the best overall post in the thread. And probably the best answer I've seen you give in months. Almost like the good old days when we wanted to change table mechanics and educate people. Almost want to rep this one. Got my quarter.... Heads or tails?
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That was as simple as I could explain it, and though it's repeatably said..."it's not rocket sience"...I don't ever recall working on "rockets"...and I wonder how many of them "Rocket Scientist" could fix up a pool table the right way, my bet would be none...without some sort of training first:thumbup:...so booy yahhh!!

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
That was as simple as I could explain it, and though it's repeatably said..."it's not rocket sience"...I don't ever recall working on "rockets"...and I wonder how many of them "Rocket Scientist" could fix up a pool table the right way, my bet would be none...without some sort of training first:thumbup:...so booy yahhh!!

Glen
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I couldn't agree more. I cover tables on the side mostly to help people out. I only charge half of what a pro does because I'm an amateur. I've been playing this game for 25 years so I know when a table needs a recover or needs a professional mechanic like you for some serious repairs to make it right. I've turned down jobs for that reason...I know the job I'm capable of and what my limits are.
 
trob said:
I couldn't agree more. I cover tables on the side mostly to help people out. I only charge half of what a pro does because I'm an amateur. I've been playing this game for 25 years so I know when a table needs a recover or needs a professional mechanic like you for some serious repairs to make it right. I've turned down jobs for that reason...I know the job I'm capable of and what my limits are.
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And for just the reasons you stated above, I have told all the mechanics that I've helped to train, consider doing wholesale work for other mechanics in your area as a way of giving support to them without letting trade secrets go, yet not holding back the work that others are glad to be able to offer their customers as well. And while your at it, show them how to install the cloth on the rails if they need a little help, and teach them how to glue the bed cloths down right...if you have the time, they'll thank you for it later. We all work in this industry, but we all haven't walked down the same paths, but that don't mean we can't meet somewhere in the middle and help each other out in order to get better at what it is we do.;)
 
juegabillar said:
No, I don't think Mr. Wilson needs to remove this thread. It is of utmost necesity that we in this community know what is going on.
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Download it, print it out, and staple it to your bedroom wall right over your bed, so you can read it every morning when you wake up:rolleyes: If you really want to see what's going on, go look at the "hack work" in the mechanics forum, maybe you're REALLY learn something useful there:rolleyes:
 
trob said:
I couldn't agree more. I cover tables on the side mostly to help people out. I only charge half of what a pro does because I'm an amateur. I've been playing this game for 25 years so I know when a table needs a recover or needs a professional mechanic like you for some serious repairs to make it right. I've turned down jobs for that reason...I know the job I'm capable of and what my limits are.
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respect for that, :thumbup:
 
realkingcobra said:
Download it, print it out, and staple it to your bedroom wall right over your bed, so you can read it every morning when you wake up:rolleyes: If you really want to see what's going on, go look at the "hack work" in the mechanics forum, maybe you're REALLY learn something useful there:rolleyes:
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Seriously I've covered maybe 50 tables and I see work on there that is unbelievable. No way I would charge someone with work that bad. I don't leave until its right. Some people have no conscious I guess.
 
trob said:
Seriously I've covered maybe 50 tables and I see work on there that is unbelievable. No way I would charge someone with work that bad. I don't leave until its right. Some people have no conscious I guess.
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I re-read what you posted, and understand that you were referring to the "Hack Work" threads, trust me, there's even worse than that out there. I've seen tables done in LA that the mechanic pounded in the feather strips but didn't wrap the cloth over them and down under the rails...no, the feather strip was right there to see in the open. I've seen the cloth stapled at the bottom of the cushions, NOT wrapped under the rails...it goes on and on.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
the feather strip was right there to see in the open.
Glen
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I hope that was a single case where maybe the table owner tried to do it himself. I cant imagine anyone charging to cover a table that doesn't know not to do that lol.

But with everything you have seen, maybe some do :eek:
 
woody_968 said:
I hope that was a single case where maybe the table owner tried to do it himself. I cant imagine anyone charging to cover a table that doesn't know not to do that lol.

But with everything you have seen, maybe some do :eek:
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Didn't take any pictures of them because I didn't work on the tables, so without before & after pictures, there's not much point really. Showing how wrong things are, do nothing to show how to do this work right, by fixing the wrong and showing the difference, so that others might see the difference in the work, thereby becoming better informed themselves:grin:
 
True, but I would think anyone that would own a table or work on a table would have seen enough to know better lol
 
woody_968 said:
True, but I would think anyone that would own a table or work on a table would have seen enough to know better lol
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You'd be suprised at the number of people out here working on pool tables because they're unemployed and it looks easy, afterall. ..."it's not rocket science. ...right":rolleyes:
 
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