In regards to Bonus Ball
- Thread starter nathandumoulin
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It's only insulting if you decide to wrongfully interpret it as that.
I could keep quiet and let everyone think it was a disaster, or I could come online and tell people that things are actually great outside of the internet feed. Over 60 players are involved in this project, and they're all ecstatic. I care about them, and I'm happy to see them pumped over this new league, regardless of the internet feed.
What you saw as a massive blunder, was actually a massive success in every aspect outside of the live feed. That can be fixed, but at this point proof of concept was what mattered most, and the live stream was not necessary for that.
Viewers will come in time, but right now the focus is the networks, the casinos, and the investors. You can take offense at not being the most important aspect of this project, but that's your choice. Those who choose to be negative, will do so regardless of what happens. All I can do is move forward and embrace the positives, and that's exactly what I am doing.
If the investors are happy with this opening weekend of bonus ball then they'd be all over staking Cliff in Tunica at craps or gaining a heavy position in Gabe's fake silver stash.
If this live stream/production thing doesnt work out you have a bright future in politics.
Once again you know everything.
Good luck with that hoss.
JC
Coos Cues
Forget about the stream, if you must. The pockets are still too tight! I see that as the number one problem with the game from what I could watch. Your so called "market" doesn't understand why so many shots are missed and they don't care. They just know they don't like it.
JC
JC
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very well stated Brian and a green for you,
Bill
Bill
This is all streamed from a single vps? are you joking? You arent using a CDN or anykind? Thats quite hilarious to hear. Must be one hell of a virtual machine.
So you are telling me you are working with a "delivery network" company that cant even handle the load and distribute the stream? Sounds legit.
So you are telling me you are working with a "delivery network" company that cant even handle the load and distribute the stream? Sounds legit.
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I am just stating we did not have a ton of time to test it and especially under heavy traffic since we only had X amount of time to setup after construction was completed. Things happen plain and simple, look at the lights going out at the Super Bowl. I would be on here still supporting this even if I was not a part of it, the same when TAR, Inside Pool, Accu-stats or any other streamer has had trouble because if it can happen it will.
I have streamed and had Ustream go down, internet not work because an internet jukebox was unplugged for the tourney and all types of other stuff so I try to be understanding. I do wish the stream went out as we tested and I am disappointed about it because as a long time member here and supporter of pool I feel this is a positive thing for the pro pool players and the game itself. As Nathan said outside of the stream it was a success for those there in person, the investors were on hand and enjoyed the show as did the full house of fans for opening night.
Hi Don;
People who simply hold and express divergent points of view are definitely not haters as far as I'm concerned.
There are, however, a small group of people here who appear to delight in Nathan's and Bonus Ball's problems. To be clear, they would be the the haters.
best,
brian kc
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That is currently being done, should be up sometime soon.
Its Obvious now
Nathan..
We will see how "ecstatic" all the players are when they cant cash their pay checks because there is no revenue from the pay per view crowd.
Statements like this will hurt your cause more then it will help.
Take a marketing course. It will do you wonders.
Don
Nathan..
We will see how "ecstatic" all the players are when they cant cash their pay checks because there is no revenue from the pay per view crowd.
Statements like this will hurt your cause more then it will help.
Take a marketing course. It will do you wonders.
Don
OK, someone help me out here, because I just don't get it.
1. The servers crashed because of high traffic.
2. The high traffic had to come from AZB, because how can anyone else even know about BB?
3. The streaming doesn't matter, what matters is what happens in the studio.
4. If streaming doesn't matter, how is anymore than a hundred or two hundred people ever going to see it? And, with no streaming audience, no ppv weekly. How do they plan on making anything off something that it doesn't matter if no one is able to watch it?
1. The servers crashed because of high traffic.
2. The high traffic had to come from AZB, because how can anyone else even know about BB?
3. The streaming doesn't matter, what matters is what happens in the studio.
4. If streaming doesn't matter, how is anymore than a hundred or two hundred people ever going to see it? And, with no streaming audience, no ppv weekly. How do they plan on making anything off something that it doesn't matter if no one is able to watch it?
Nathan, Regarding the stream, maybe the company you hired is really inexperienced and doesn't know their stuff. (this is super easy to do in today's internet world, a company can make up their own portfolio and claim they were in business for 25 years, etc)
There were two technical people that made some posts in the thread from Friday. Maybe it would be a good idea to bounce off your setup with these guys. If indeed the company you hired is incompetent, they won't ever be able to fix the problem, or they will be guessing as they go and may eventually get it to work.
The technical guys were:
MN_Josh
SpiderWebComm
Below are a couple of their relevant technical posts:
Originally Posted by MN_Josh
It seems almost idiotic in this day to not use a cloud provider for this setup. If they were using EC2 (or another elastic service) they could have just added capacity to their setup and there is no bandwidth limit. My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. They have a system that created a DoS attack on themselves and they triggered something from their provider. I bet that they are going to have problems with their setup indefinitely until they get someone in there who knows what they are doing.
I would have done this project for half of the ridiculous sum I bet they paid for it and would have given them a redundant setup to boot.
From SpiderWebComm
Can you explain how you're setting up the hosting for the stream? Based on the above paragraph-- it doesn't sound correct.
Who are you sending your RTMP feed to? What kind of plan? I think you used AWS last night. This isn't their core business. They do it (because they do everythiiiiiing), but they're not the best.
I'm assuming by VPS you mean virtual private server? That's fine for your website, but 100% not for the stream. You can send your stream to a single VPS that has a bazillion gigs coming off it and you'll always have quality issues. If that's legit how you're doing it and the stream goes off without a hitch -- you guys are nowhere in the solar system of 10k concurrent users.
If you guys share a little of the basics -- there are a few guys including myself that can steer you in the right direction before tonight.
If 10k concurrent views is legit, you must work off a cluster, preferably a legitimate CDN. Not any CDN, but one that does origin/edge RTMP clustering as a primary business. Serving 10k streams from a VPS is like performing heart surgery with a screwdriver -- ain't the right tool for the job.
There were two technical people that made some posts in the thread from Friday. Maybe it would be a good idea to bounce off your setup with these guys. If indeed the company you hired is incompetent, they won't ever be able to fix the problem, or they will be guessing as they go and may eventually get it to work.
The technical guys were:
MN_Josh
SpiderWebComm
Below are a couple of their relevant technical posts:
Originally Posted by MN_Josh
It seems almost idiotic in this day to not use a cloud provider for this setup. If they were using EC2 (or another elastic service) they could have just added capacity to their setup and there is no bandwidth limit. My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. They have a system that created a DoS attack on themselves and they triggered something from their provider. I bet that they are going to have problems with their setup indefinitely until they get someone in there who knows what they are doing.
I would have done this project for half of the ridiculous sum I bet they paid for it and would have given them a redundant setup to boot.
From SpiderWebComm
Can you explain how you're setting up the hosting for the stream? Based on the above paragraph-- it doesn't sound correct.
Who are you sending your RTMP feed to? What kind of plan? I think you used AWS last night. This isn't their core business. They do it (because they do everythiiiiiing), but they're not the best.
I'm assuming by VPS you mean virtual private server? That's fine for your website, but 100% not for the stream. You can send your stream to a single VPS that has a bazillion gigs coming off it and you'll always have quality issues. If that's legit how you're doing it and the stream goes off without a hitch -- you guys are nowhere in the solar system of 10k concurrent users.
If you guys share a little of the basics -- there are a few guys including myself that can steer you in the right direction before tonight.
If 10k concurrent views is legit, you must work off a cluster, preferably a legitimate CDN. Not any CDN, but one that does origin/edge RTMP clustering as a primary business. Serving 10k streams from a VPS is like performing heart surgery with a screwdriver -- ain't the right tool for the job.
For anyone who wants to come to the Bonus Ball arena and watch the matches live then please do and it is free today and tomorrow. The address is 6745 Surrey St. in Las Vegas. Today's match will start at noon and will be the Phoenix Fire vs the Minnesota Outlaws. The Phoenix Fire consist of Scott Frost, Tommy Kennedy, and Manny Chau. The Minnesota Outlaws consist of Thorsten Hohmann, Ralf Souqet and Jesse Engel.
Who do you think will EVENTUALLY be the bottom line for BB? Piss off the fans now and tell them how unimportant they are and see what happens when you do get everything worked out. You can have a great product and all the investors in the world but it's not worth anything if nobody buys it. I hope the best for pool but again it seems like we have a googan at the helm.
FWIW I think that there are companies that do load testing for streams - http://www.keynote.com/docs/datasheets/Streaming_Loadpro.pdf
Perhaps several thousand invested into their services might be helpful down the road. Also while I understand that we are not the core or maybe not even the target audience it still helps to have the hard core fans on your side.
However I do think that if you get the streaming going then people will come around. Please reconsider the pockets though.
Perhaps several thousand invested into their services might be helpful down the road. Also while I understand that we are not the core or maybe not even the target audience it still helps to have the hard core fans on your side.
However I do think that if you get the streaming going then people will come around. Please reconsider the pockets though.
Bonus ball should spend some of that money on a PR person. If I didn't know you personally and I were reading this, I'd assume you were the biggest douchbag in pool that cannot admit when he failed and talks down to his consumers with a huge disconnect from reality. Might want to work on that when you fix those other issues.