In regards to Bonus Ball

[Goldy]

If anyone wants to believe what they are saying today and that the PPV / Streaming doesn't matter to them --- to me it sounds like a guy that got dumped by his girlfriend and then saying she doesn't matter to him anymore anyways.

Why is the WPBL website covered with watch streaming this, pay 9.95 a week for that, sign up for a yearly subscription, watch live. Oh and their menu bar - it is HOME and guess what is the next choice - LIVE STREAMING.

Yep continue to believe it doesn't matter. Continue to believe that two days ago we were told he laid 600 cables for the live streaming interaction and now it doesn't matter.

I'd give BB some support if one truth was told. I'm waiting.

When I replied to the original post, I actually couldn't even come to any words to answer or rebuke the last half of Nathans post. It sounded like a give up letter or 'white flag'. I hope that isn't the case. What I tried to convey is that there's been a small group of billiard guru's and techies that have been at it for 17 months trying to solve the riddle of serving up live billiard content WITHOUT the need of a free streaming giant.

That in itself is what is mind boggling, because why the insistence to re-invent a whole other wheel, when one could have been obtained instantly and effectively, and to be quite honest, a drop in the bucket as far as cost would be concerned with how much is going out the door every time payroll comes up at Bonus Ball.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Regarding this "target market is Asia" thing, is this just something that some of us here have put forth as a theory or was this stated by the BB organization?

Thanks.

 

[Luxury]

I want to see what level of excitement and celebration The Outlaws displayed when Hohman set that record and saved his team.

I thought the team aspect would bring more Mosconi cup like excitement.

Even Appleton was very subdued from what I saw.

I would have coached the players to be more vocal and energetic from the beginning.

 

[Nostroke]

Where is the notion that Asia is the target market coming from?

I doubt this. I think that the target market is mainstream Americans.

The Asia thing has been floating around these forums as well as the TV (american) thing-all speculation. I dont see either of them happening in a million years. I added a third unknown secret thing that only the BB insiders know as a possibility.

I was not stating what i thought only what they might be thinking as they have made it pretty clear we are not the target audience and only BB higher ups know the business plan.

I do agree that having hard core pool peeps on their side is better than the opposite but THEY apparently do not feel strongly on that.

PS-im giving odd.s there is no season 2-check the action room

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

I am getting sick and tired of people using the word "hate" so loosely.

Just like people who say that if you disagree with President Obama your a "racist".

How about if we just say "I disagree with what your saying".

Its great to have disagreements. Usually things get better as the pot boils.

Can someone show me where someone said " I hate Nathan", because I have not seen it.

What I mean is anyone who has posted a thread or reply where they stated they hate Nathan.

Don

Don;

You seem to be very hung up on the term "haters" with what appears to be great difficulty grasping the meaning.

Obviously, you, sir, must be a lover. :wub:

btw, typically, haters do not come out declaring their hatred. that would be too straightforward.

In an earlier post bigtruck showed will smith with a quote whose message is by no means a new one. The gist of it was about loudly broadcasting failures and whispering about ones successes.

The quote I'm more familiar with is "Damning with faint praise".

when trying to sort out whether or not someone is a hater, it helps to know there can be many levels ranging from stealthy to overt but over time you do get to see and recognize certain patterns.

now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

best,
brian kc

 

[Nostroke]

Regarding this "target market is Asia" thing, is this just something that some of us here have put forth as a theory or was this stated by the BB organization?

Thanks.

not stated by BB that i saw-only people here speculating on that and i do not think it is likely BB is aiming that way and if they are, i cant see it being pulled off AT ALL.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Hung Up On

Don;

You seem to be very hung up on the term "haters" with what appears to be great difficulty grasping the meaning.

Obviously, you, sir, must be a lover. :wub:

btw, typically, haters do not come out declaring their hatred. that would be too straightforward.

In an earlier post bigtruck showed will smith with a quote whose message is by no means a new one. The gist of it was about loudly broadcasting failures and whispering about ones successes.

The quote I'm more familiar with is "Damning with faint praise".

when trying to sort out whether or not someone is a hater, it helps to know there can be many levels ranging from stealthy to overt but over time you do get to see and recognize certain patterns.

now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

best,
brian kc

Brian...

You are correct. I am a lover. Sure glad I didn't go into Politics.

Don

 

[JCIN]

Don;

You seem to be very hung up on the term "haters" with what appears to be great difficulty grasping the meaning.

Obviously, you, sir, must be a lover. :wub:

btw, typically, haters do not come out declaring their hatred. that would be too straightforward.

In an earlier post bigtruck showed will smith with a quote whose message is by no means a new one. The gist of it was about loudly broadcasting failures and whispering about ones successes.

The quote I'm more familiar with is "Damning with faint praise".

when trying to sort out whether or not someone is a hater, it helps to know there can be many levels ranging from stealthy to overt but over time you do get to see and recognize certain patterns.

now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

best,
brian kc

The whole hater thing amuses me.

In the culture I grew up in, that of making things out of metal with very expensive tools and materials, peoples "feelings" meant very little. When processes were set up you poked holes in them from every angle and what if'ed things to death. If you can find a way to kill it in the planning stages chances are life will find a way to kill it after its funded.

Nothing is 100%. Risks and challenges are inherent in any venture but taking a critical look at things before during and after events improves the process and the product. Just blithely dancing along saying "Yayyyyy go great job!" does nothing for anyone. But at least those people can't be labeled haters so I guess they are good for something.

Most people I have seen here who are critical of bonus ball have offered advice. Many of those people myself included have been doing the very thing they are trying to do for a long time. If I or anyone else "hated" bonus ball why even take the time to post about it? Why try to give a little guidance at all? Why not just let them flounder around and dig a deeper hole?

If you ask me the people saying "Thanks for trying" are the ones doing the disservice. Trying doesnt mean shit. It wont pay the light bill and it wont pay the players.

 

[peteypooldude]

I am getting sick and tired of people using the word "hate" so loosely.

Just like people who say that if you disagree with President Obama your a "racist".

How about if we just say "I disagree with what your saying".

Its great to have disagreements. Usually things get better as the pot boils.

Can someone show me where someone said " I hate Nathan", because I have not seen it.

What I mean is anyone who has posted a thread or reply where they stated they hate Nathan.

Don

Damn you singled yourself out. It's like the who farted scenario.
Someone can say they love or hate anything..... It means nothing
Why make such a big deal about who owns what? So the stream screwed up... Who am I to pick everything someone says in a bad situation and make sure people are aware of his mis- step. If investors read the forums they would shit can every idea 2 pages into a thread. There are some self righteous people on this forum. Maybe they are used to someone pointing it out everytime something's not perfect...... Just not my way
FWIW I am not accusing you of anything, I stopped reading the bashathon pages ago

 

[nb92]

ok.. I don't feel bad.... at the pool room today (tournament) about 60 people entered and there was nearly complete agreement that they don't like the game. (some new some of the pro's.. they like them)..

but I / we / us are not the customers ... nor are we wanted or needed .. so best of luck

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Ray, of course you can put lip stick on a pig and its still a pig.

But it is now a kissable pig.

Don, I agree, Ray came out with this Hater thing and now if anyone has an opinion that doesn't match up with the general consensus of a thread, you are branded a Hater with a negative attitude. Pure BS.

Wilson did a good job of ridding the board of a couple of true Trolls whose daily task was to piss on every thread they could.

The board would become boring fast if everyone was a bobble head nodding nodding and back slapping every post.

I tried to like the idea of BB. I saw some hard working dedicated people involved.
So I said, Self, don't be negative, and I promised to try and support the effort.

Then, I saw some negative posts toward others that I have learned to have a decent amount of respect for. Jay, Justin and Mark, for three.

Then, I said, Self, this is going to put me in between because when push comes to shove, I know who I am going to support.

I got the impression that we are B B, we are the new kid on the block, we are the best and screw everyone else.

These are guys that have paid the dues and continue to do so, They've been around the block and know what they're talking about. Don't dis em because if by conflicting schedules etc, these guys get dumped on, then we have zero.

Despite the 2 night screw ups, I was in chat when the announcement came on that it was UStreams screw up and not ours. And I was like, Wow. 100 K worth of fancy schmancy and you're going to pass the buck.

Justin couldn't figure it out. He posted that B B has one of the brightest Streamers on board and Lenny as well.

I was listening to remarks such as, did you see so and so's fantastic shot. Why was it more fantastic than if someone had banked a 3 ball in. Just because it was a purple ball?

And thats where I am at, I just can't and don't want to get my head around orange and purple balls. To me it is an ill conceived game and I didn't see any pumped up enthusiastic players, from the little that I did see.

Sure, make up a new game if you wish but use the 15 balls that we use and incorporate the games that we play into it.

You could have delegated 3 pockets per team and used one pocket, straight pool, 8 ball and banks into one game. It would have much more exciting for us to watch and same for the players.

Apparently I am not part of the target market so that right there takes a load off any guilt feelings that I may have for not supporting it any further.

But, good luck to ya'll.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Opps I just farted

Damn you singled yourself out. It's like the who farted scenario.
Someone can say they love or hate anything..... It means nothing
Why make such a big deal about who owns what? So the stream screwed up... Who am I to pick everything someone says in a bad situation and make sure people are aware of his mis- step. If investors read the forums they would shit can every idea 2 pages into a thread. There are some self righteous people on this forum. Maybe they are used to someone pointing it out everytime something's not perfect...... Just not my way
FWIW I am not accusing you of anything, I stopped reading the bashathon pages ago

Seriously..

If it means nothing then why even say it.

Then how did you get to this page? LOL

Don

 

[Socopool79]

1. Take responsibility.
2. Apologize to your consumers.

Steve H.

Apologize for what? It was FREE!!

 

[JCIN]

Apologize for what? It was FREE!!

My experience is that attitude does not go a long way with people.

I have screwed up ALL KINDS of stuff over the years. Some free some PPV. Whether people paid for it or not they took the time to sit in front of a computer and look at my project specifically. That means they took the time to pay attention. That is valuable in todays climate of thousands of choices for entertainment. It doesnt take much to let people know you understand their time and attention has value and when I screwed the pooch I tried to express that I do value their time.

Is it that big of a deal in the long run? Probably not.

 

[kittykat]

Honestly, Nathan and Chiborak both are an embaressment. Chiborak has always struck me as the man from Glad. White suit and orange shoes! Who the hell would trust him anyways. Nathan is high on his horse as who cares about pool fans! That is unacceptable. The game is a great game, as is one pocket. The format is fantastic. Whoever came up with this is a genious, The final ending of the Minnesota vs Phoenix Fire was unbelievable! I was there and it is definitely what pools needs! Does pool need Chiborak or Nathan? Not at all! It would be a great concept with Mark griffen taking over with Justin! Now that would be fantastic!!!!

 

[cajunfats]

That would be me.

Where is the notion that Asia is the target market coming from?

I doubt this. I think that the target market is mainstream Americans.

John, that would be me. I hypothesized as a theory one of the long range target markets might be for the Asian Market. I have no inside information regarding anything to do with Bonus Ball. It is a theory.

The American Market is soft for Pool, and has been for about 10 years, if not a few more. That is not to say some businesses have thrived during that period, many have.

I would hope that the developers of this system had anticipated the burgeoning Asian Pool Market as a possible recipient of the stream, teams, and locations. You know that would benefit you more in business.

If I am incorrect in this long term theory, fine, I accept the criticism for reaching. However, Bonus Ball will not survive relying on the North American market alone. Great Game or Not, you must sell a product to people who want it, or are made to believe they need it!

Right now, America doesn't need another game packaged as a gimmick. What we need is uncorrupted leadership to promote and present the tremendous talent that we have available for the buying public.

So, the misunderstandings on Asia and such are on me.

cajunfats(Carl)

 

[JB Cases]

John, that would be me. I hypothesized as a theory one of the long range target markets might be for the Asian Market. I have no inside information regarding anything to do with Bonus Ball. It is a theory.

The American Market is soft for Pool, and has been for about 10 years, if not a few more. That is not to say some businesses have thrived during that period, many have.

I would hope that the developers of this system had anticipated the burgeoning Asian Pool Market as a possible recipient of the stream, teams, and locations. You know that would benefit you more in business.

If I am incorrect in this long term theory, fine, I accept the criticism for reaching. However, Bonus Ball will not survive relying on the North American market alone. Great Game or Not, you must sell a product to people who want it, or are made to believe they need it!

Right now, America doesn't need another game packaged as a gimmick. What we need is uncorrupted leadership to promote and present the tremendous talent that we have available for the buying public.

So, the misunderstandings on Asia and such are on me.

cajunfats(Carl)

No one thought people would watch poker on TV either. And the National Spelling Bee was on ESPN and national news.

Shows like American Gladiator proved that the American public can consume anything. It doesn't take very long to go through the lineup of shows and find ones that are popular without much content.

This is a good game. The guy running has put 15 years into it. Maybe it won't go anywhere but we all need to remember that all the games we know also didn't exist at some point.

You have to respect anyone willing to put their own money on the line to see something like this come to life. I only hate like hell that there are conflicts with existing events and what seems to be an unwillingness to forgo a week to allow the players to play in the major events left on American soil.

 

[JB Cases]

My experience is that attitude does not go a long way with people.

I have screwed up ALL KINDS of stuff over the years. Some free some PPV. Whether people paid for it or not they took the time to sit in front of a computer and look at my project specifically. That means they took the time to pay attention. That is valuable in todays climate of thousands of choices for entertainment. It doesnt take much to let people know you understand their time and attention has value and when I screwed the pooch I tried to express that I do value their time.

Is it that big of a deal in the long run? Probably not.

You're a pretty straight up guy and you have the ability to tell people to go to hell and have them thank you for the directions.

Attitude makes a HUGE difference. As my German partner once said to me it's the tone that makes the music. I am unfortunately tone-deaf. Really I am metaphorically and physically.

 

[wahcheck]

pr def needed

....and here's another $.02 from somebody else in the peanut gallery....

I don't know this Nathan guy, but I guess he owns a part of this new venture...
I do hope he meets with success, because anything that would sustain the Pros in pool is good......I did not hate Kevin Treaudeau either; I was hoping he would succeed and pool would be better for it, especially for the Pros....

However, when I read the OP by Nathan, I agreed wholeheartedly with Cleary....

I can understand one's frustration with negativity and haters when so much money and effort has been put into the venture, but if you thought you were addressing only those people mentioned above, you were mistaken. There ARE people here who are in support of your efforts and they did not deserve the disrespect you appear to have put forth. You should take one of the two pieces of advice given earlier:

1) Hire or have someone else address AZB or the general public for you
2) Don't post here anymore because you are not doing yourself or your business any good.

 

[dr9ball]

You're a pretty straight up guy and you have the ability to tell people to go to hell and have them thank you for the directions.

Attitude makes a HUGE difference. As my German partner once said to me it's the tone that makes the music. I am unfortunately tone-deaf. Really I am metaphorically and physically.

Well, now I"ll view your comments on my music a bit differently LOL.