Bonus Ball Players Can get Staked at The Southern Classic

[JAM]

Jam, here's an example of how you're making uninformed assumptions.

Johnny's team has the worst schedule out of all the teams. We tried to group each team's matches together, so that teams can play several times in one week, then have a week off. That way they have less travel expenses.

Johnny's team got the short end of the stick, and have to travel the most. They also have the most conflicts with other events.

You're free to think and say what you like, but it's become quite clear that you're passing judgement based on emotion, rather than facts.

Yes, Nathan, I am emotional about it; otherwise, I wouldn't be posting on this thread.

Bonus Ball has hurt Greg Sullivan's Big Foot Challenge at Southern Classic. This was what was going to be the beginning of a four-city tour. One stop would have been Atlantic City on the East Coast. We don't have a whole bunch happening out here on the East Coast, and me personally, I think Vegas is the devil's playground where sins occur and are accepted as a societal norm.

Johnny should have been loyal to Greg Sullivan and advised Bonus Ball people to work around this Southern Classic one time. Next season, then all promoters can figure out how to work around each other, but you don't step on Greg Sullivan, a man who has given Johnny perks in the past. What kind of loyalty is this? I guess I'm disappointed and expected more of Johnny Archer.

 

[watchez]

Jennie, I really think you are off base here. Majority of Bonus Ball players can actually play at Tunica, there are only a few that cannot. It is up to the players whether they want to go or can afford to plain and simple. Most of this stuff being posted on the forums is misinformation sadly. Bonus Ball is giving the players a paycheck, if Keith was on the payroll I think you might be singing a different tune but you are entitled to your opinion but your postings although written well are somewhat inaccurate.

Bonus Ball is the Queen of posting misinformation. I say Queen cause no one there wants to man up for their lies.

 

[watchez]

BB players who withdraw for whatever reason, are banned for life, yet BB player who haven't yet signed up are now being offered to be staked?

Sounds like rather contrasting extremes.

Can Greg maybe call the North and South player reps (Archer/Hohmann) and clarify? If the situation has now changed, it would be best that the players know this, especially given that hardly any of them read Az.

Nice twist - Jay said there was a possibility they wouldn't be invited to the Bigfoot challenge. Not banned from the Southern Classic. And it is only a possible effect of those that gave their word - someone that should hold the most value - and then reneged.

 

[bankoutallday]

Thank you, and you're absolutely right. I actually do my best to avoid reading the BB related threads, but occasionally get sucked in. I'll use your post to motivate me to escape this one, before I get angry and make a bigger ass of myself than I usually do.

Thanks for the support. I truly appreciate it.

Well, it's only a personal attack if you permit it to be. Obviously your work helps the game.

If somebody says "you will never work again in this industry if you do ____" , then you change the industry and fire them! Just don't feed into the hysteria, it doesn't help your cause.

It is such a petty thing to resort to anyway, these idle threats. That and buying people's support with staked entries, with a great chance of a return. OK , I will stake any top 30 player for 1/2 the winnings , but no expenses, I have done it before because it is a great bet.

If the folks who run DCC and Tunica just keep continuing to expand the traveling tournament trail into more casinos, they will be just fine. They need one in the Northeast and it would be an instant sucess, fueled by amateur players and casino support. There simpy has to be a casino in Atlantic City who would love to fill the hotel rooms and casino floors with gamblers. Does anybody ever go there and promote an event based upon DCC and Tunica sucesses? This is how you would expand things if they wanted.

 

[PETROBOY]

The likelihood of something like that happening are slim because so many cannot afford to play in every event and also not everyone who plays can cash in some events. I have thought of that myself but is it a possibility, sure it is if someone had a true invitational with huge money paid out but when is the last time that has happened?

Im not taking about playing in every event im talking about one weekend where in stead of playing in a bb match one whole team or both play in some big tournament on the same weekend. Thats quite possible what would happen then.

 

[decent dennis]

He's directing traffic at the Bonus Ball enterprise, instructing those Bonus Ball minions to stay put in Vegas, and they follow his direction like trained little pigs.

Ok, are they trained little pigs, or, dancing monkeys?

 

[watchez]

Like I said to make a living you need to relocate at times. If you hired me in Jersey to do whatever and I chose to fly there and back and live in hotels then that is my deal, if I chose to live there and save airfare and housing money then I would make more money. I love AZ because I am not the most logical person but I feel like I am on here. This place is awesome! :thumbup:

So for Bonus Ball they should adjust their lifestyle and spending habits but for National Tournaments they can't afford to play in them because they still need to live balls to the wall?? Just want to make sure I understand the mentality

Get a cooler - some bread and deli food and your own drinks Hell I did it one year at the DCC.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Bonus Ball is the Queen of posting misinformation. I say Queen cause no one there wants to man up for their lies.

Please Steve tell me what lies you are speaking of. I see members on here posting so much nonsense it would be a full time job just to counter it all.

 

[Fast Lenny]

So for Bonus Ball they should adjust their lifestyle and spending habits but for National Tournaments they can't afford to play in them because they still need to live balls to the wall?? Just want to make sure I understand the mentality

Get a cooler - some bread and deli food and your own drinks Hell I did it one year at the DCC.

For a steady paycheck I would adjust my lifestyle, its called responsibility and being a professional. The fact is if they have self control and money management like taking advantage of the cheap housing in Vegas and staying out of casinos then they can make a decent living. Regardless of self control the majority cannot make a living on the tournament trail period.

 

[watchez]

Plain and simple. I make the studio work, make it pretty, and get it ready for networks. If you want to judge based on all these other factors that clearly get you hot, then you're making an irrational judgement towards me.

The WPBA has Jeanette Lee - by far the most marketable pool player in the world and the best they could do is get $20k per tournament and had to give the $20k right back for production costs. If you think orange and purple balls are more inviting to ESPN than Jeanette, one of the pros should wake you and Larry up from your dream.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Im not taking about playing in every event im talking about one weekend where in stead of playing in a bb match one whole team or both play in some big tournament on the same weekend. Thats quite possible what would happen then.

I believe alternates would fill the void but doubtful that would happen.

 

[watchez]

Please Steve tell me what lies you are speaking of. I see members on here posting so much nonsense it would be a full time job just to counter it all.

500,000 views in one day to the site
10,000 viewers to the first night of the stream
Failure of the stream and who was responsible. I don't know much about it but one guy that did posted why it really failed. It made sense to the people that know. I hear you are really knowledgable in streaming and perhaps someone should give you more reigns in it so it doesn't fail anymore

 

[Fast Lenny]

500,000 views in one day to the site
10,000 viewers to the first night of the stream
Failure of the stream and who was responsible. I don't know much about it but one guy that did posted why it really failed. It made sense to the people that know. I hear you are really knowledgable in streaming and perhaps someone should give you more reigns in it so it doesn't fail anymore

It was not my responsibility whatsoever with the streaming but it has all been worked out which for the last week it has went really well according to people who have watched and enjoyed the production. I wish people knew all the hurdles that have came up and just little stuff behind the scenes. I heard the numbers of 10,000 which I relayed but heard it was more around 4,500 unique IPs, the 500,000 number I am not sure where that came from.

Numbers on the net can be tricky as you might watch a stream from TAR, Inside Pool, or Accu-stats when they stream to Ustream and see numbers in a high range but its because they are on the homepage which flaws it. I have done streams with over 20,000 unique hits in a 3-4 day event without ever going on the home page of Ustream, there are many fans out there who like pool and watch it but in the big picture the number is actually small sadly and even smaller who will pay for any content.

 

[Fast Lenny]

The WPBA has Jeanette Lee - by far the most marketable pool player in the world and the best they could do is get $20k per tournament and had to give the $20k right back for production costs. If you think orange and purple balls are more inviting to ESPN than Jeanette, one of the pros should wake you and Larry up from your dream.

I hope she comes on board, her and Jennifer Beretta are a draw for sure. There has to be a solution to making pro pool successful, that should be the goal for us fans who enjoy the game at its top level.

 

[Diamond69]

I feel for the players

I want nothing but success for the players. And I truly feel bad for them right now. It seems like they are the kids stuck in a bitter divorce. It's not their fault and want their parents to get along and everyone have better lives.

Yes, some pulled out of the Bigfoot, which is unfortunate. And Jay is correct to say they may not be invited back. Same way Earl isn't invited back to TAR because of reliability concerns. That is valid. They are not being banned from tournaments.

IMO (maybe Nathan, Dave, or Lenny will confirm), nobody is truly "making a living" by getting the $1k per week in Vegas. And the playoff and bonus money is not the carrot at the end of the stick either.

My belief is the players are playing BB at the start up with the hopes that it does succeed as per the sales pitch. So in effect, they are taking small guaranteed check's the first season or two in order to get a larger payoff later.

IF BB succeeds (note the big IF) it certainly is feasible that a few years down the line they are looking at $10k per week checks or more. This is no different than any start up business. Nothing is an overnight success in business. Many restaurants and other businesses make little if anything for the first year or two in hopes of better rewards later.

I have defended both sides on what I found to be the finer points, so let's see which side I get beat up from this time. There are not 2 sides, there are 3 (including the players), or 4 (the game of pool in general). Ultimately, the players and the game are the side that I am. But I hope all 4 succeed after this 1st year battle.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I want nothing but success for the players. And I truly feel bad for them right now. It seems like they are the kids stuck in a bitter divorce. It's not their fault and want their parents to get along and everyone have better lives.

Yes, some pulled out of the Bigfoot, which is unfortunate. And Jay is correct to say they may not be invited back. Same way Earl isn't invited back to TAR because of reliability concerns. That is valid. They are not being banned from tournaments.

IMO (maybe Nathan, Dave, or Lenny will confirm), nobody is truly "making a living" by getting the $1k per week in Vegas. And the playoff and bonus money is not the carrot at the end of the stick either.

My belief is the players are playing BB at the start up with the hopes that it does succeed as per the sales pitch. So in effect, they are taking small guaranteed check's the first season or two in order to get a larger payoff later.

IF BB succeeds (note the big IF) it certainly is feasible that a few years down the line they are looking at $10k per week checks or more. This is no different than any start up business. Nothing is an overnight success in business. Many restaurants and other businesses make little if anything for the first year or two in hopes of better rewards later.

I have defended both sides on what I found to be the finer points, so let's see which side I get beat up from this time. There are not 2 sides, there are 3 (including the players), or 4 (the game of pool in general). Ultimately, the players and the game are the side that I am. But I hope all 4 succeed after this 1st year battle.

You are right in some ways, it is a complicated issue but their is a solution, this can work. I do hope all those in power and of course with money can come together to make it happen for the players. I would like to see those who can make it work in one room figuring out the answer seriously.

 

[golubushka]

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[Fast Lenny]

Why can't we just live in a world where bigfoots can ride unicorns without being judged?

 

[(((Satori)))]

Fast Lenny,

I am interested in ordering the b.b. season but I want to know if the $199 package includes the post season.

Can you P.M. Me with details on if I will be able to view the post season or not? It is likely I will miss the answer if you post it here.

Thanks.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Fast Lenny,

I am interested in ordering the b.b. season but I want to know if the $199 package includes the post season.

Can you P.M. Me with details on if I will be able to view the post season or not? It is likely I will miss the answer if you post it here.

Thanks.

I do not know the answer but will try to find out. Thank you for supporting the pro players.