Bonus Ball Players Can get Staked at The Southern Classic

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1 Lone Wolf said:
Gary Andy Justin Rusty Mark W. Joe W. Sam Jimmy Johnny Terry H. Rich S.
Theres 11 and im half asleep Watchez, These guys all are capable to win matches in any tournament, Would you fly Jennifer in to play any of these guys?

My point to watches is there is no money and never will be with the mentality that change can't happen. You are barking up the wrong tree with me. I am for a Pro Tour where a player can make a living. Sorry Brenden, A little fired up now. That list is a fair one, And I think I know a little more about Pro Pool than Watchez.

Have a Great Day all, Gary
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Gary I still have not formed a full opinion on the whole bonus ball thing yet but I do love the fact that you are being 100% positive about it all. Nothing good is going to come out of all the negativity everywhere. I do wish it could have been scheduled at different times for all concerned. I think anything that helps move pool forward is a good thing and only time will tell if this does or not. Maybe some good young players do well this year at Tunica with out as many champs and really start playin.

As far as the list gos though... If Jen plays better than Jeanette they are in big trouble. Jeanette roasted Johnny recently, roasted Andy all though with a breaker, I don't think Rusty Brandemeyer has hit a ball in years or could beat anyone now Rich can't see anymore but would have a fighting chance. Sam would need a lot of time in the box. I like his game and gamble but he played quite a bit last year or two and wasn't quite at that level. I think Terry would need a ball or so. I think Mitch and Brian are closer than a few of these guys. That Danny Hill|( here now I think seen him a lot lately|)and AZ Jay may even be closer than a few of those guys to. Brady is creepin up on all of these guys to. Just my opinion.

Hope to see you gamblin again soon. Always good entertainment.
 
Celtic said:
You gotta pay for food wherever you are so that is not an "extra" expense. Expecting the a pool tournament should cover casino losses a pool player may have while at the tournament is going full retard in expectations, don't go full retard man.
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If you will quote my whole post, I said that I would have lost $1300 and Greg would have broken even without the food or gambling.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Last year, at least 10, and probably more players, were on Jay's "Confirmed List" of Bigfoot contestants. These guys, for whatever reason, reneged on their "commitment" to play. I know, because I bet 100 with Jumpin Joe that the field would not fill, so I was watching Jay's posts on who was in and out very carefully.

Are these players that reneged last year banned from participation in future Big Foot tournaments? It seems they should be by Jay's logic.

Note, no way to prove the players that changed their mind, as Jay was editing his first post in last year's thread to update the players list (as was the right thing to do).
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Great post..like I said people are entitled to change there mind will continue to do so at every tournament that's life .. U replace them simple

Darren
 
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watchez said:
I have no idea how Jennifer plays - never seen her hit a ball. But 80% of your list can play Jeannette with no hesitation. The line should form behind her but I doubt she moves to Vega$ to play for $900 a week. And honestly, many of those on the list are people I call friends but without some type of qualifying system, don't belong on anything that is labeled as a pro pool player.

Change can happen Gary - but it has to happen the right way. And with realistic aspirations.

Glad to hear that you have no 'real problem' with me.
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We are ok , I feel that I have proven a long time ago, That I have always got in the box and bet my own . I have won and lost a lot, Most of the time I lost I was under the influence, and I think you may agree with that.

Do you remember in the 80's, I kept Dave Pioni busted. He came to me every time Dorman would stake him. Billy Ray the same, Remember Stix, aka Steve Edwards, and a lot of others. The only one then that beat me was CJ. And he was young. I remember playing JA 30 hours in Atlanta. We played 2 Eight ahead sets, We were both on the hill at least 6 times each set on a 9' in a guys basement. Johnny and I argued 20 hours over his long finger racks.
JA won 2 sets and we went to South Carolina together. We won good, We were out about 5 or 6 weeks. If we would have left Beany alone we would have won better.

Ask JA about the time we were chasing a guy named Wayne , He owned a string of adult clubs in Carolina and Florida, What a story. We won big. A story in its self. I flew home pumped. I retired pretty much a year later when we opened in Granite City. So my question to you Watchez is if you don't think im Qualified , I disagree. In 2006 I started playing again, Working real hard. To bad you weren't with me you would have really got pumped.

But the fact is I have won a lot of tournaments in the last 5 years, Just little ones like Beloit. How about 3 in row in Beloit. Check that out Watchez. Some BB players there and tough fields. I think you may be wrong with your opinion about my skill level. Who in St. Louis has been more active and paid their dues more in the last 5 years. My point is don't let our history cloud your mind.
Gary
 
Lets not get carried away. Jen beretta, has never played a speed equal to Janettes best, and highly doubt she could beat Janette nowadays.

As far as Gary list. There's no way Janette can beat a top speed Andy, Joe or Justin. Their best speed was always superior to her.
 
1 Lone Wolf said:
We are ok , I feel that I have proven a long time ago, That I have always got in the box and bet my own . I have won and lost a lot, Most of the time I lost I was under the influence, and I think you may agree with that.

Do you remember in the 80's, I kept Dave Pioni busted. He came to me every time Dorman would stake him. Billy Ray the same, Remember Stix, aka Steve Edwards, and a lot of others. The only one then that beat me was CJ. And he was young. I remember playing JA 30 hours in Atlanta. We played 2 Eight ahead sets, We were both on the hill at least 6 times each set on a 9' in a guys basement. Johnny and I argued 20 hours over his long finger racks.
JA won 2 sets and we went to South Carolina together. We won good, We were out about 5 or 6 weeks. If we would have left Beany alone we would have won better.

Ask JA about the time we were chasing a guy named Wayne , He owned a string of adult clubs in Carolina and Florida, What a story. We won big. A story in its self. I flew home pumped. I retired pretty much a year later when we opened in Granite City. So my question to you Watchez is if you don't think im Qualified , I disagree. In 2006 I started playing again, Working real hard. To bad you weren't with me you would have really got pumped.

But the fact is I have won a lot of tournaments in the last 5 years, Just little ones like Beloit. How about 3 in row in Beloit. Check that out Watchez. Some BB players there and tough fields. I think you may be wrong with your opinion about my skill level. Who in St. Louis has been more active and paid their dues more in the last 5 years. My point is don't let our history cloud your mind.
Gary
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Do you mind sharing the story here on AZ about you and Johnny Archer chasing a guy named Wayne?
 
Agree again.

JumpinJoe said:
Lets not get carried away. Jen beretta, has never played a speed equal to Janettes best, and highly doubt she could beat Janette nowadays.

As far as Gary list. There's no way Janette can beat a top speed Andy, Joe or Justin. Their best speed was always superior to her.
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Agreed, But the list is JB, not JL.
 
CJ Wiley said:
That's a fantastic point, and pool's current situation goes even deeper into human behavioral psychology. Freud and Jung would have had a field day.

The fact of the matter is professional pool players are just as smart, talented and creative as any other professional athletes. The main difference is only in the economic department - pool hasn't been used as a marketing vehicle like other major sports. This, in effect has created an economy that leans towards poverty and lots of in fighting because "there's too many dishes and not enough soup".

This isn't the professional pool players fault in any way, shape or form. It wasn't the players in any other sport that created the vast economy, it was the sport itself (because of being out outdoor, or school friendly game) combined with a lot of brilliant business, marketing and advertising minds. It takes vast synergy to create an empire.

These sports still needed time to evolve and took many years for the players to reap the benefits. Arnold Palmer was an exception that he was a great player, promoter, and businessman, and there's only been a handful of others throughout history.

Sam Snead was one of the winningest golfers of all time for 6 decades and won less than $800k. Now golfers win in a single tournament, what other men took 60 year so to do, and the same can be said of tennis, football, basketball, etc.

Income does make a difference in attitude, advantages, behavior and choices that people can, and will make, that's just the way it is....and pool is not the "exception to this rule."

'The Games are the Teacher'
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too many people chasing too few dollars, will always cause a problem.

then a new guy comes to town and thats a threat to the establishment even more problems. they are all going nuts.(offerig rent $$, staking players) whats that all about, looks like panik to me, sad is what i call it. and bad biz, i'd run my biz differently-but thats just me, what do i know ;) about biz and making $$$?

lots of strong opinions, with little knowledge of the actual facts-thats plane stupid on stupid.

it will all work out, sad part is some long time friends might not be friends in the end-the collateral damage. but thats how it goes. no pain, no gain.
 
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One thing that must be practiced as much as the physical game is the the mental game

The fact of the matter is professional pool players are just as smart, talented and creative as any other professional athletes. The main difference is only in the economic department - pool hasn't been used as a marketing vehicle like other major sports. This, in effect has created an economy that leans towards poverty and lots of in fighting because "there's too many dishes and not enough soup".

This isn't the professional pool players fault in any way, shape or form. It wasn't the players in any other sport that created the vast economy, it was the sport itself (because of being out outdoor, or school friendly game) combined with a lot of brilliant business, marketing and advertising minds. It takes vast synergy to create an empire.

These sports still needed time to evolve and took many years for the players to reap the benefits. Arnold Palmer was an exception that he was a great player, promoter, and businessman, and there's only been a handful of others throughout history.

Sam Snead was one of the winningest golfers of all time for 6 decades and won less than $800k. Now golfers win in a single tournament, what other men took 60 year so to do, and the same can be said of tennis, football, basketball, etc.

Income does make a difference in attitude, advantages, behavior and choices that people can, and will make, that's just the way it is....and pool is not the "exception to this rule."

'The Games are the Teacher'
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Roger Long said:
CJ,

I know at one time you was interested in getting on a Bonus Ball team, but for whatever reason, it did not pan out. Now I'm sure you don't need the money, so what was it that made you take an interest in the game?

Roger
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I met with Larry in Phoenix and he got me interested in playing Bonus Ball, and at first I thought they were going to use me to negotiate some TV Coverage, then they changed their mind and I lost interest. Originally they wanted me to be the Captain on Team Dallas, but we had a meeting in vegas and I "overspoke" and told them what I thought their best strategy was and that ended up causing some "issues". Larry and I have a different vision and I respect that, I certainly don't think I have "all the right answers," however If I don't feel like I'm an asset I'm better off doing other ventures.

Basically the things I suggested to do, they wasn't interested in doing and the things I recommended they NOT do was exactly what they were doing. I didn't "real eyes" this, of course until a few days later and I got the "uneasy" treatment from that point on. I definitely want the BONUS BALL to succeed and will still offer to help any way I can. I do know how to get it on TV right away, this is something I'm experienced in (I just met with a major producer that's a friend and loves pool, he did my first 3 videos and did a movie with Chuck Norris and has another one out now) and I'm pursuing it again. One way or another it's my belief that Pool MUST have a presence on TV or the game will continue to "fizzle" in the USA. I don't care what the game is, as long as the players are personable and entertaining.

I wouldn't be able to spend that much time in Vegas right now anyway, but maybe at some point we'll talk again about my participation. I feel like I need to work on my game first, I really have no desire to be "heavy weight" on any team, so we'll see how my game does in Tunica the next two weeks. I don't have high expectations, but I certainly need to compete and get some seasoning as soon as possible.

One thing that must be practiced as much as the physical game is the the competitive mental game and I am getting very little of that experience. I also have to get used to the Diamond Tables, there's none of them in Dallas/Ft. Worth except at a few private residences. If these tournaments were on Gold Crowns it would be an entirely different set of circumstances.
 
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1 Lone Wolf said:
We are ok , I feel that I have proven a long time ago, That I have always got in the box and bet my own . I have won and lost a lot, Most of the time I lost I was under the influence, and I think you may agree with that.

Do you remember in the 80's, I kept Dave Pioni busted. He came to me every time Dorman would stake him. Billy Ray the same, Remember Stix, aka Steve Edwards, and a lot of others. The only one then that beat me was CJ. And he was young. I remember playing JA 30 hours in Atlanta. We played 2 Eight ahead sets, We were both on the hill at least 6 times each set on a 9' in a guys basement. Johnny and I argued 20 hours over his long finger racks.
JA won 2 sets and we went to South Carolina together. We won good, We were out about 5 or 6 weeks. If we would have left Beany alone we would have won better.

Ask JA about the time we were chasing a guy named Wayne , He owned a string of adult clubs in Carolina and Florida, What a story. We won big. A story in its self. I flew home pumped. I retired pretty much a year later when we opened in Granite City. So my question to you Watchez is if you don't think im Qualified , I disagree. In 2006 I started playing again, Working real hard. To bad you weren't with me you would have really got pumped.

But the fact is I have won a lot of tournaments in the last 5 years, Just little ones like Beloit. How about 3 in row in Beloit. Check that out Watchez. Some BB players there and tough fields. I think you may be wrong with your opinion about my skill level. Who in St. Louis has been more active and paid their dues more in the last 5 years. My point is don't let our history cloud your mind.
Gary
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Gary - no doubt you could and can play. You won four tournaments in a row - Columbia, St Louis, Indy and I forget the 4th that SVB would have trouble repeating. You got up and played Reed Pierce even for an entire night. Lots of other examples. Glad to hear that you realize a sober Gary is a better player.

I just think that for pro pool league - there should be some sort of qualifying system not just I have this history so I'm in.

We are ok - not perfect but ok. You know what needs to be done to completely clean the slate.

And yes you have been more active than anyone else - you are making my point for me from previous discussion. There aren't 10 people in St Louis that play pool anymore.
 
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watchez said:
Gary - no doubt you could and can play. You won four tournaments in a row - Columbia, St Louis, Indy and I forget the 4th that SVB would have trouble repeating. You got up and played Reed Pierce even for an entire night. Lots of other examples. Glad to hear that you realize a sober Gary is a better player.

I just think that for pro pool league - there should be some sort of qualifying system not just I have this history so I'm in.

We are ok - not perfect but ok. You know what needs to be done to completely clean the slate.

And yes you have been more active than anyone else - you are making my point for me from previous discussion. There aren't 10 people in St Louis that play pool anymore.
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My point is if something new is never tried it will never be. We totally agree that if possible events should be worked around if possible. Greg and Mark have been the 2 major forces for years. I am 100% for anything they are involved in. I have no political view at all in this, And if BB does survive all the forces agains't them and somehow attract major exposure. It will benefit Mark and Greg beyond their wildest dreams.

With BB people can get to know the players, their personalities, their strengths and weakness. They will want to have a favorite player to root for. We need corporate sponsorship. And that is the only way to achieve this. This is kind of like being in action to me. I think it is possible to attract a major sponsor. I believe it will take something new.

Did you ever notice at major events , it is always the same fans. I believe that league players would flock to BB. especially if they were real players from their cities. Imagine this, Las Vegas at St.Louis in St. Louis. The league player would flock to see players they know. Imagine Earl in town. You were at probably every event I hosted, Have you ever seen so many fans. Olathe did not draw the amount of players or fans I did at Star-Lite Café & Billiards.

Just saying, nothing wrong with being open to new ideas,
I will support Greg and Mark always, This is reality. BB is here now and I hope for good. I don't have crystal balls, so I can't predict the future, but I can dream !
Gary (the road is the teacher)
 
JAM,

Is it ok to abbreviate et cetera with etc.? Just asking because I've been abbreviating it for many years. But you always spell it out.

Thanks..

JAM said:
They lose points, don't get paid, could be forfeited and/or disqualified, et cetera.

Dance, Bonus Ball Monkeys, dance to an empty stage. It's a joke, really.
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Hungarian said:
JAM,

Is it ok to abbreviate et cetera with etc.? Just asking because I've been abbreviating it for many years. But you always spell it out.

Thanks..
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Because I do Federal Government work (notice the nishcaps), I adhere to the GPO Style Manual. Others in my industry use Lillian Morson's English Guide for Court Reporters or Gregg Reference Manual 11th Edition. In all three references, "et cetera" should be spelled out.

Because we do verbatim transcription of the spoken word, sometimes it is not possible to follow strict literary references for writing, i.e., APA, Oxford, Chicago, et cetera.

The abbreviation, however, is acceptable, but not in my work, so I continue to write it out.
 
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