Pulling up in the middle of a set when score is tied

JAM

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What are your thoughts about two players racing to, say, 15, and when the score is 8-8, one wants to quit because he doesn't like the game anymore?

As long as the game is tied, is it okay to end? If it was an ahead set, then I could maybe understand pulling up if nobody got ahead, but with a race to 15, what do you think if the score is, say, 8 to 8?
 
JAM said:
What are your thoughts about two players racing to, say, 15, and when the score is 8-8, one wants to quit because he doesn't like the game anymore?

As long as the game is tied, is it okay to end? If it was an ahead set, then I could maybe understand pulling up if nobody got ahead, but with a race to 15, what do you think if the score is, say, 8 to 8?
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if both players agree then that's the ONLY way it's ok.
 
What NoStroke said. Sometimes the player that suddenly doesn't like it buys himelf out of the set.
 
I've seen plenty of guys pullup after one set, but 1/2 set?? Somebody's got no heart whatsoever and should think a little more before they want to gamble with someone.

Of course, there is always the exception, like some emergency or something came up. Otherwise, I agree with the others, he forfeits unless both agree to it.
 
That's why you freeze the money in advance. That way, unless it's mutually agreed, the guy pulling up forfeits the money. If they both agree, not a problem.
 
JAM said:
What are your thoughts about two players racing to, say, 15, and when the score is 8-8, one wants to quit because he doesn't like the game anymore?

As long as the game is tied, is it okay to end? If it was an ahead set, then I could maybe understand pulling up if nobody got ahead, but with a race to 15, what do you think if the score is, say, 8 to 8?
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I don't see how that would come up LOL, if the score is tied, the game is good no? Unless one of the players was pretty obviously goofing around and playing to miss.

Even if it's close by a game or two it's pretty much even.

Maybe someone decided they really can't play for as much as they said they would? Adjust the money in that case.
 
hang-the-9 said:
I don't see how that would come up LOL, if the score is tied, the game is good no? Unless one of the players was pretty obviously goofing around and playing to miss.

Even if it's close by a game or two it's pretty much even.

Maybe someone decided they really can't play for as much as they said they would? Adjust the money in that case.
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I overheard Keith talking to somebody who was at Tunica in the action room. He said that Dennis Orcollo was playing some guy from Florida, race to 15 for a bean. The score was tied 8 to 8, and Dennis wanted to pull up.

The reason I made the post was I think it is okay to pull up if it is an ahead set game and the score is zero to zero, but in a race game, like a race to 15 and it's tied 8 to 8, I agree with the others that it should be a mutually agreeable thing to end without having a winner.

I never did find out if they finished the game or if they both agreed to end the game and take back their post monies, but it is an interesting dilemma that happens.
 
It's not ok if it's an ahead set or if it's a race to whatever. If you play, you play.

In an ahead, I have learned that you need to make parameters such as how long and how many breaks you can take. We got trapped with Kid Delicious one year playing Gabe. K.D. would literally take a 30-45 minute break every hour. He knew that it was the last day of the DCC and the tables were going to be broken down come Sunday morning. He stalled his way to a payoff.

I saw another player in an ahead set, who I won't name, that went on for like 10 hours. They had made no prior agreement of time. The player wanted to quit and play the next day because his feet had started to swell up. The other player refused. So the player with the swollen feet just sat there for literally 3 hours, refusing to shoot.
 
watchez said:
It's not ok if it's an ahead set or if it's a race to whatever. If you play, you play.

In an ahead, I have learned that you need to make parameters such as how long and how many breaks you can take. We got trapped with Kid Delicious one year playing Gabe. K.D. would literally take a 30-45 minute break every hour. He knew that it was the last day of the DCC and the tables were going to be broken down come Sunday morning. He stalled his way to a payoff.

I saw another player in an ahead set, who I won't name, that went on for like 10 hours. They had made no prior agreement of time. The player wanted to quit and play the next day because his feet had started to swell up. The other player refused. So the player with the swollen feet just sat there for literally 3 hours, refusing to shoot.
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OMG! Swollen feet. :smile2:

I just learned the guy from Florida's last name is "Melrose" who Orcollo was playing. They never did finish the race to 15, and Melrose was not going to let him take the money down. After a skirmish, Orcollo ended up settling for an undisclosed amount. ;)
 
JAM said:
I overheard Keith talking to somebody who was at Tunica in the action room. He said that Dennis Orcollo was playing some guy from Florida, race to 15 for a bean. The score was tied 8 to 8, and Dennis wanted to pull up.

The reason I made the post was I think it is okay to pull up if it is an ahead set game and the score is zero to zero, but in a race game, like a race to 15 and it's tied 8 to 8, I agree with the others that it should be a mutually agreeable thing to end without having a winner.

I never did find out if they finished the game or if they both agreed to end the game and take back their post monies, but it is an interesting dilemma that happens.
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I like the style of the rhetorical question being asked before you mention who the players are. So I'm sure Dennis didn't feel he was over his head in the match. Emergency probably didn't happen. Somebody may have heard the reasoning and will let us know.

If I'm in the set and for whatever reason I need to pull up. 1st I'm going to ask my opponent to call it even. 2nd option would be to offer to throw them some money to let me out. If neither of the first two options work, I'm going to bear down and do my best to beat him to 15, tell him he had his chance, and not gamble with him again.

Just my thoughts.
 
They said Dennis bought out for 150 because he didn't like the game, guess he found out Rob could play a little more than 1P.

Dennis was giving the break- BIH.....
 
JAM said:
OMG! Swollen feet. :smile2:

I just learned the guy from Florida's last name is "Melrose" who Orcollo was playing. They never did finish the race to 15, and Melrose was not going to let him take the money down. After a skirmish, Orcollo ended up settling for an undisclosed amount. ;)
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I can't imagine Dennis quitting to anybody in the middle of a set.

One possible reason, maybe another game came up and the guy was in the room already. Dennis had a possible bigger bet and didn't want it to get away?

As for how to settle, that would be tricky. I'm guessing Dennis had to pay about 1/3 just to get out of the game.
 
Ktown D said:
They said Dennis bought out for 150 because he didn't like the game, guess he found out Rob could play a little more than 1P.

Dennis was giving the break- BIH.....
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WOW!

$150 and the bet was 1K?

He let Dennis off cheap. I still don't like the idea of pulling up in the middle. I've never seen it done with a tie score.

I have seen a guy pull up in a race to 9, the score was 6 to 1 in the other guys favor. The guy losing was way too drunk and bought out for half. But in this case, both players knew each other well.
 
There was no emergency and there was no other game. Dennis hung around testing out a break cue when it was over.
 
Not much of a gambler but my understanding has always been, if you quit before the set is done,
that's a forfeit. Even if you're on the hill and the other guy has zero.

The other guy can usually be convinced to let it slide if it's an emergency, but not liking the game
or being bored or deciding you have other priorities... no way.
 
I'm gonna try this the next time I go to the race track and the horses are halfway through the race.
 
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There was no emergency and there was no other game. Dennis hung around testing out a break cue when it was over.
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Well....Dennis or not, if that doesn't fit the definition of a nit, I don't know what does.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to call one of the best money players in the world a nit, but in this case, if the shoe fits.......
 
Money up is Money gone.

When money is posted it no longer belongs to either player.

You must win the set to claim the money.

No different than paying to play in a tourney.

Only exception is that there are only 2 players (usually) and if they can come to an agreement before the set is done then that should be ok.

Otherwise play to the end.

Don :smile:
 
Neil said:
Well....Dennis or not, if that doesn't fit the definition of a nit, I don't know what does.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to call one of the best money players in the world a nit, but in this case, if the shoe fits.......
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm going to have to agree with Neil. That's a BS move...
 
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