Rip-off Report on Glen, The Real King Cobra "UPDATE"

[flash5153]

I think you better start looking for some different rails. If you can't find any,, scrap the table. That's rough but true.

This guy probably had your rails thrown in the garbage and figures you have a hard road to sue him. It's going to be hard if he is in Alaska and all them places he talks about being needed so desperately .

I couldn't imagine having a table sitting there for that long waiting on anything!! Add it to your losses in the lawsuit.

What kind of table is this again?? Maybe someone on here can help find you some rails.It's worth a shot.

Maybe you could let someone know ,,at the place your rails are now. I'm sure they want nothing to do with them and would send them to you. Maybe all this was already said,,,sorry ,,I didn't read everything,,but read most,,plus the past threads.

Unbelievable!! I feel for the OP. Like I said,,scrap the table(wink) and add it to your losses. The difficulty of finding other rails and the time elapsed would justify this in the eyes of the law. Add it to the loses.

 

[DelaWho???]

just to throw in my 2 cents (and thats all this post is worth, except maybe to those with the over)

although i have never commisioned glen for a job, i have followed his build posts here for years. mi also went as far as finding out when he would be passing through louisiana one time and ballpark pricing. it seems clear to me that mechanic wise he is probably the best in the country (certainly for diamonds), and at least top 5 for all brands.

it takes a strange and special type of person to achieve such a detailed level of knowledge and ability to use it in a discipline. i would certainly loosely say he is an artist. artists are wierd. if youve ever had a good artist work for you or any ultra niche craftsman, they really operate within thier own rules and timeline.

i personally do not belive that holding the rails for 5 months is a good business move, but i also do not believe that it wrecks his character. sometimes you have to acceot some character flaws to get what is the best or close to it. it doesnt mean you have to let your daughter marry him.

anyway, good luck to the over 200s, and i hope OP and glen work it out and move on with thier lives

People like glenn behave this way because toadies are willing to muddy their noses to be graced with his work...

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

And Diamond's "Made in the USA" goes a long way with me. :wink:

I really like both tables in certain respects. I think the sport is better with both companies, along with the other manufacturers. I like the height, full slate on the Diamond pro am. I like the shelf and pocket angles on the GC tournament tables.

But to throw the "ole" Made in the USA tid bit in there, really requires a study. We really need to look at where would the Rails, Slate, Leather pockets etc... Be made for Diamond? Do they have a leather worker in the shop making those? Who makes the slate for them? The rails? Are they made in the USA? I ask because I never looked into, except the rails of course. Brunswick assembles their tables in the US I believe?

 

[JAM]

I really like both tables in certain respects. I think the sport is better with both companies, along with the other manufacturers. I like the height, full slate on the Diamond pro am. I like the shelf and pocket angles on the GC tournament tables.

But to throw the "ole" Made in the USA tid bit in there, really requires a study. We really need to look at where would the Rails, Slate, Leather pockets etc... Be made for Diamond? Do they have a leather worker in the shop making those? Who makes the slate for them? The rails? Are they made in the USA? Brunswick assembles their tables in the US I believe?

I can see your point. I guess from my vantage point, at this stage of my life in the industry, Brunswick doesn't support pool as an industry member as frequently as Diamond does; therefore, my allegiance is to Diamond.

Besides, Diamonds are a girl's best friend, right? :grin-square:

When is the last time that Real King Cobra was on AzBilliards forum? Anybody know?

 

[eddie0776]

When is the last time that Real King Cobra was on AzBilliards forum? Anybody know?[/QUOTE]

1050pm yesterday

 

[aff]

"Last Activity: Yesterday 07:50 PM"

^From his profile page here...but, I think he will come through. Been a long wait I know, and it is annoying and un called for...but he will come through.

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

Besides, Diamonds are a girl's best friend, right? :grin-square:

And having a "gold crown" usually means being royalty, and having all the Diamonds you could ever want :lmao:

Is not some of his last post about going to Alaska? Maybe he is ice fishing?

 

[JAM]

And having a "gold crown" usually means being royalty, and having all the Diamonds you could ever want :lmao:

Is not some of his last post about going to Alaska? Maybe he is ice fishing?

Some work associates of mine are in Alaska, and they do suffer connectivity problems frequently. And they are in Juneau.

 

[nb92]

...

Along came Diamond and interestingly a blue-dot cueball.

Old-school players preferred the Brunswick and red-dot cueball, and the new wave of players preferred the Diamond and the blue-dot cueball. I remember hearing the complaints from the old-school players like Allen Hopkins and others from his era complaining about that blue-dot cueball. :grin-square:

....

off subject -- quick question -- isn't the blue dot / red dot being discussed in the thread concerning the "dot" on the RAILS from diamond? (upgraded vs original)? and zero to do with the cue balls... Thanks... just looking for clarification ...

 

[JAM]

off subject -- quick question -- isn't the blue dot / red dot being discussed in the thread concerning the "dot" on the RAILS from diamond? (upgraded vs original)? and zero to do with the cue balls... Thanks... just looking for clarification ...

For some reason, maybe it's psychosomatic, some players would complain about that blue-dot cueball when it became more prevalent. Some claim they can shoot better with the red-dot. I'm stating hearsay, though. I can't tell one from the other. :embarrassed2:

 

[justadub]

I doubt that Glen will be posting in this thread, since it involves legal action against him. And that is the smart choice.

At the conclusion of the mess, I expect that we might hear a little.

 

[CreeDo]

"Hey Bob, go look for that set of rails I brought in and box it up. I gotta ship them back
for this guy, he's being a pain in the ass. I left them on top of the boxes by the break room."

[10 minutes of hold music]

"Where did you say they were? That area by the break room was cleared out 2 weeks ago."

"Are you serious? Shit. ShitShitShit."

 

[Diogenes]

Why are so many trying to hijack this thread?

Let's stick with the subject of the thread here people. If you want to argue Brunswick vs. Diamond, then that sounds like a "new thread" discussion (for people who just want to one-up each other). Glen's relationship with Diamond and Diamond's involvement here has nothing to do with "which table is better"... or are certain people just wanting to divert from the thread subject because they are part of Glen's fan club? Maybe it's because this is probably the hottest thread on AZB right now and that a new thread on Diamond vs. GC wouldn't get any more attention than the last 100 threads that have been brought up on the subject in the past. I'm sure that there are several open threads asking "which table to buy" that will welcome all of your input. Why is the name "Brunswick" relevant in any way here?

Rip-off Report on Glen, The Real King Cobra "UPDATE"

I also would like to hear Glen's retort (as I was once considering using him myself)... and so I keep up with this thread. But if it is going to become a pissing contest about table manufactures, then I guess I'll just write Glen off before he even has his day in court, as I don't care what table each of you support (or why)... at least not in this thread. I am however, interested in how Diamond is handling the issue of these Big G rails that have been sitting "untouched" on their property for 5 months now.

Or am I now going to get pummeled here (as sometimes happens on AZB when someone speaks their mind... on topic). BTW... no one is going to get me into a "flame war" over what I just said... that would also be off topic.

 

[Sarnia Shorty]

But without Glen posting how will we ever get to 200 posts.

<--------- Took the over

 

[JC]

At the conclusion of the mess, I expect that we might hear a little.

One sentence would be good.

"Shipped the rails and corner castings back today"

Glen has the right to remain silent. Just not the wisdom.

JC

 

[sfleinen]

What a thread! Some portions were an interesting read.

Before Diamond came to the fore, Brunswick was the Rolls-Royce of tables. In fact, the equipment of choice was a Brunswick GC with a red-dot cueball.

Along came Diamond and interestingly a blue-dot cueball.

Jennie:

I agree -- this is indeed an "interesting" thread to say the least.

As to your comments about table brands being tied to cue ball types, I'm not sure why the introduction of a table brand had anything to do with the cue ball used on it?

Just FYI:

• Red Dot cue ball = Aramith Red Dot Dynamo, which is a *barbox* cue ball used on barboxes which use cue ball weight to trigger the internal trap door for the cue ball return. (The Red Dot Dynamo is an extremely heavy cue ball at 6.875 ounces.) This is a specialty cue ball sold separately, and has NEVER been bundled with Aramith's cue ball sets.
  
  
• Red Circle cue ball = Aramith Red Circle, and is probably the cue ball you're referring to. This is a fairly light cue ball -- very "zingy" with draw -- and is preferred by folks who mainly play short-rack rotation games. This is a specialty cue ball sold separately, and has NEVER been bundled with Aramith's cue ball sets.
  
  
• Blue Dot cue ball = Generic "old time" cue ball. This cue ball goes way back, and its origin is unclear. But it's also a fairly light cue ball intended for short-rack rotation, and responds a lot like the Aramith Red Circle. I think at one time this ball was bundled with inexpensive ball sets.
  
  
• Blue Circle cue ball = Brunswick (now Aramith) Centennial cue ball that came with the Centennial ball sets. (It's a cue ball that is matched to the rest of the object balls.)

Old-school players preferred the Brunswick and red-dot cueball, and the new wave of players preferred the Diamond and the blue-dot cueball. I remember hearing the complaints from the old-school players like Allen Hopkins and others from his era complaining about that blue-dot cueball. :grin-square:

That's odd, because the blue "dot" cue ball (and the Centennial blue circle, for that matter) are certainly not "new" cue balls by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, I'm not sure why the table is "tied" to the use of a certain cue ball. Certainly, "old time" players like Allen would be very familiar with the blue dot and blue circle cue balls, and especially so in 14.1, because at one time the game was exclusively the domain of Brunswick Centennial ball sets, which have a blue circle cue ball as part of the set. Certainly, any time I play 14.1 with an older player, the first thing they check is that cue ball, and if it's a red circle, that player tosses it back into the ball tray, reaches into the pocket of his cue case and pulls out a blue circle for use during the game (many players keep a genuine blue circle in their case, because they prefer not to use the "zingy" red circle).

It's only when playing short-rack rotation that the red circle cue ball use becomes popular, and many rooms will swap-out the cue ball that came in the set with the specialty Aramith red circle. That's why you'll sometimes see older players bringing their own Centennial blue circle with them in their case -- to swap that red circle back out.

Because of the very noticeable absence of Brunswick sponsoring big events in recent times, Diamond has moved up the ladder as far as quality equipment. Brunswick seems to still sponsor bowling and boats, but pool not so much.

And Diamond's "Made in the USA" goes a long way with me. :wink:

And me too. Good ol' boys in Kentucky wanting to do a good job (and man, they certainly do!). My next table will be a Diamond, come hell or high water.

After reading this thread in its entirety, I guess it begs the question: When is the last time "Real King Cobra" posted on AzBilliards?

And you won't. If the OP was truthful (and not exaggerating) about the litigation thing, you won't see RKC -- or the OP for that matter -- posting here or mention one further word about this, under advisement from their own council. That's the first thing one's lawyer does -- is to stop any direct contact between the plaintiff and defendant, as well as any discussion about the matter with third parties (i.e. AZBilliards forums) completely. As much as Glenn is probably jumping through his skin in being prevented from responding (come on, folks, you just *know* that he'd have been all over this by now), he won't, if he knows what's good for him in the eyes of the law.

-Sean

 

[JAM]

Let's stick with the subject of the thread here people. If you want to argue Brunswick vs. Diamond, then that sounds like a "new thread" discussion (for people who just want to one-up each other). Glen's relationship with Diamond and Diamond's involvement here has nothing to do with "which table is better"... or are certain people just wanting to divert from the thread subject because they are part of Glen's fan club? Maybe it's because this is probably the hottest thread on AZB right now and that a new thread on Diamond vs. GC wouldn't get any more attention than the last 100 threads that have been brought up on the subject in the past. I'm sure that there are several open threads asking "which table to buy" that will welcome all of your input. Why is the name "Brunswick" relevant in any way here?

Rip-off Report on Glen, The Real King Cobra "UPDATE"

I also would like to hear Glen's retort (as I was once considering using him myself)... and so I keep up with this thread. But if it is going to become a pissing contest about table manufactures, then I guess I'll just write Glen off before he even has his day in court, as I don't care what table each of you support (or why)... at least not in this thread. I am however, interested in how Diamond is handling the issue of these Big G rails that have been sitting "untouched" on their property for 5 months now.

Or am I now going to get pummeled here (as sometimes happens on AZB when someone speaks their mind... on topic). BTW... no one is going to get me into a "flame war" over what I just said... that would also be off topic.

Welcome to AzBilliards. Get used to it.

 

[JAM]

Jennie:

I agree -- this is indeed an "interesting" thread to say the least.

As to your comments about table brands being tied to cue ball types, I'm not sure why the introduction of a table brand had anything to do with the cue ball used on it?

Just FYI:

• Red Dot cue ball = Aramith Red Dot Dynamo, which is a *barbox* cue ball used on barboxes which use cue ball weight to trigger the internal trap door for the cue ball return. (The Red Dot Dynamo is an extremely heavy cue ball at 6.875 ounces.) This is a specialty cue ball sold separately, and has NEVER been bundled with Aramith's cue ball sets.
  
  
• Red Circle cue ball = Aramith Red Circle, and is probably the cue ball you're referring to. This is a fairly light cue ball -- very "zingy" with draw -- and is preferred by folks who mainly play short-rack rotation games. This is a specialty cue ball sold separately, and has NEVER been bundled with Aramith's cue ball sets.
  
  
• Blue Dot cue ball = Generic "old time" cue ball. This cue ball goes way back, and its origin is unclear. But it's also a fairly light cue ball intended for short-rack rotation, and responds a lot like the Aramith Red Circle. I think at one time this ball was bundled with inexpensive ball sets.
  
  
• Blue Circle cue ball = Brunswick (now Aramith) Centennial cue ball that came with the Centennial ball sets. (It's a cue ball that is matched to the rest of the object balls.)

That's odd, because the blue "dot" cue ball (and the Centennial blue circle, for that matter) are certainly not "new" cue balls by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, I'm not sure why the table is "tied" to the use of a certain cue ball. Certainly, "old time" players like Allen would be very familiar with the blue dot and blue circle cue balls, and especially so in 14.1, because at one time the game was exclusively the domain of Brunswick Centennial ball sets, which have a blue circle cue ball as part of the set. Certainly, any time I play 14.1 with an older player, the first thing they check is that cue ball, and if it's a red circle, that player tosses it back into the ball tray, reaches into the pocket of his cue case and pulls out a blue circle for use during the game (many players keep a genuine blue circle in their case, because they prefer not to use the "zingy" red circle).

It's only when playing short-rack rotation that the red circle cue ball use becomes popular, and many rooms will swap-out the cue ball that came in the set with the specialty Aramith red circle. That's why you'll sometimes see older players bringing their own Centennial blue circle with them in their case -- to swap that red circle back out.



And me too. Good ol' boys in Kentucky wanting to do a good job (and man, they certainly do!). My next table will be a Diamond, come hell or high water.



And you won't. If the OP was truthful (and not exaggerating) about the litigation thing, you won't see RKC -- or the OP for that matter -- posting here or mention one further word about this, under advisement from their own council. That's the first thing one's lawyer does -- is to stop any direct contact between the plaintiff and defendant, as well as any discussion about the matter with third parties (i.e. AZBilliards forums) completely. As much as Glenn is probably jumping through his skin in being prevented from responding (come on, folks, you just *know* that he'd have been all over this by now), he won't, if he knows what's good for him in the eyes of the law.

-Sean

I did not realize that legal counsel was involved. I agree with you that he is better off not posting one word. Good observation! :smile:

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I did not realize that legal counsel was involved.

Yeah well, you'd actually have to read the first post to have known.

And several of the others that followed.

 

[JAM]

Yeah well, you'd actually have to read the first post to have known.

And several of the others that followed.

I wasn't referring to the OP. I was referring to Glen.