Ron V aiming system video and diagrams

SpiderWebComm said:
When you use BHE, is your bridge deforming when your index finger shifts with the wood?
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I don't use BHE, but if I did I wouldn't allow my bridge to deform. That would be a big step backwards (and, by the way, would make BHE unusable).

Every time I'm wrong on this board, I admit it.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree about this.

Next thing you'll say is I'm pivoting on my bridge.
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If you move your bridge and the entire stick at the same time, where you "pivot" becomes a meaningless question.

If we're gonna have a healthy relationship on here, at least each of us should be a man when we're wrong.
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If having a healthy relationship with you means accepting whatever you say, I'll just have to live without it.

Edit: Are your diagrams still accurate?
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Yes. They show accurately what a systematic pivot produces. Moving your body and your bridge isn't a systematic pivot at all - it's a wholesale change of stance and aim line that must be done by feel. You might as well stand up and get back down on the shot the way you want to shoot it - and in fact that's what I think you really do in effect.

pj
chgo
 
Is there a system that teaches how much to hip shift/tilt the bridge laterally for each angle and distance?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I don't use BHE, but if I did I wouldn't allow my bridge to deform. That would be a big step backwards.



We'll just have to agree to diagree about this.



If you move your bridge and the entire stick at the same time, where you "pivot" becomes a meaningless question.



If having a healthy relationship with you means accepting whatever you say, I'll just have to live without it.



Yes. They show accurately what a systematic pivot produces. Moving your body and your bridge isn't a systematic pivot at all - it's a wholesale change of stance and aim line that must be done by feel. You might as well stand up and get back down on the shot the way you want to shoot it - and in fact that's what I think you really do in effect.

pj
chgo
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It's a very systematic pivot, otherwise no one would make a ball ever.

Your vision of pool is very 2-dimensional based on lines and infinitely small pivot points. The real world is quite different. This is why the Filipinos torch us in on an ongoing basis. They all pivot in one way or another. Although I haven't seen many "body pivots" - many pivot in the air or their bridge length is very far away-- allowing a bridge pivot to be accurate.

You only acknowledge half of the equation and never will acknowledge the other half.

So be it. It wasn't you I was trying to convince all along, it was the AZB audience.

*shaking hands with PJ*

Good thread, I'm outtie.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
When you use BHE, is your bridge deforming when your index finger shifts with the wood?

*rolling my eyes*

Every time I'm wrong on this board, I admit it. Next thing you'll say is I'm pivoting on my bridge.

If we're gonna have a healthy relationship on here, at least each of us should be a man when we're wrong.

Point out where I've been wrong, and I'll admit it and move on. I'm a man.

Edit: Are your diagrams still accurate?
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Spidey, I believe you are completely insincere. First off, you initially didn't have a clue about the meaning of "pivot point" and confused this whole issue (actually I question that you understand it even now). But then you were foolish enough to take on the bet spelled out in post #138. The language was pretty explicit, requiring essentially that the bridge, and all its parts remain stationary. You have finally admitted that you significantly (1/2") move the upper bridge hand, and that is documented in Colin's gif. Duhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Is the bridge and all its parts remaining stationary???? And you continue to try to convince us that the bet only required the base of the bridge to remain stationary. WHAT A COMPLETE JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I recently tried to create harmony and said you both lost the bet. I did that because Pat's language told me he didn't wish to press this further. You should have just shut up then, and everyone would have left you in peace. But you keep trying to BS everyone into believing you were right. You were not, IMHO. And you didn't even understand the terminology you were supposedly discussing. Again, I encourage everyone to read post #138 and judge for themselves who was betting out their butt! Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm tired of what I perceive as your efforts to bury the truth. I'm pointing out where you are wrong, so you can admit it, and move on, cause you're a man.
 
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Rubyron said:
I think you hit the nail on the head. This is where I was confused.

The bridge hand has to move to get the pivot point where it is in this picture but not the fingers where they are touching the table.

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I love this gif.

Fred
 
RonV said:
PJ, Can you tell me where my system is in this whole thing...Can you explain to the people what it is that`s mine?

ps. No I do not move my hand...unless you consider skin movement...
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Ron,

Are you suggesting you can make this shot without moving your bridge hand?

Colin
 
shankster8 said:
Spidey, I believe you are completely insincere. First off, you initially didn't have a clue about the meaning of "pivot point" and confused this whole issue (actually I question that you understand it even now). But then you were foolish enough to take on the bet spelled out in post #138. The language was pretty explicit, requiring essentially that the bridge, and all its parts remain stationary. You have finally admitted that you significantly (1/2") move the upper bridge hand, and that is documented in Colin's gif. Duhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Is the bridge and all its parts remaining stationary???? And you continue to try to convince us that the bet only required the base of the bridge to remain stationary. WHAT A COMPLETE JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I recently tried to create harmony and said you both lost the bet. I did that because Pat's language told me he didn't wish to press this further. You should have just shut up then, and everyone would have left you in peace. But you keep trying to BS everyone into believing you were right. You were not, IMHO. And you didn't even understand the terminology you were supposedly discussing. Again, I encourage everyone to read post #138 and judge for themselves who was betting out their butt! Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm tired of what I percveive as your efforts to bury the truth.
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Like I said earlier, I can use an open bridge with a V.

I made this video in literally 3 mins. Want me to make another video with zero movement? I can... if it makes you feel better.

I know exactly what a pivot point is, Shank. lmfao
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Like I said earlier, I can use an open bridge with a V.

I made this video in literally 3 mins. Want me to make another video with zero movement? I can... if it makes you feel better.

I know exactly what a pivot point is, Shank. lmfao
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You've previously admitted that this system wounld not work with a mechanical bridge. Yet you now say you can do this with an open bridge and no cue movement whatsoever (i.e. fixed pivot point). I believing you are digging yourself into another hole.
 
shankster8 said:
You've previously admitted that this system wounld not work with a mechanical bridge. Yet you now say you can do this with an open bridge and no cue movement whatsoever (i.e. fixed pivot point). I believing you are digging yourself into another hole.
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No, I position my bridge post-pivot and pivot into the final position. My open bridge is not the same as a mechanical bridge (a point).

I'm not getting into a new fight. I proved the bridge isn't the pivot point--- I'm happy. The original diagrams were incorrect, end of story. peace...(trying to leave in peace)
 
cookie man said:
Are you now saying the bridge and pivot point are two different places?
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I have always maintained, that if the pivot point is behind the bridge, then the bridge needs to move.

I said that if the pivot point is at the bridge then the shot can't be made from 59 inches with a 10 inch 90/90 bridge.

Geometry proves this, the video supported it.

What did you think I was saying?

Colin
 
Just read the majority of this thread.

It really does sound like a perception issue (not sure if this was ever confirmed anywhere). Because I think the CCB you get with a back hand pivot is different than the one you get with a hip pivot (provided the head moves as well) Which would explain why the shots can be made with a hip pivot.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Just read the majority of this thread.

It really does sound like a perception issue (not sure if this was ever confirmed anywhere). Because I think the CCB you get with a back hand pivot is different than the one you get with a hip pivot (provided the head moves as well) Which would explain why the shots can be made with a hip pivot.
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BieberLvr,
You have dug deep to resurrect this thread.

You should ask the forum management to change your screen name to Phoenix or something close to that. :)

JoeyA
 
BeiberLvr said:
Just read the majority of this thread.

It really does sound like a perception issue (not sure if this was ever confirmed anywhere). Because I think the CCB you get with a back hand pivot is different than the one you get with a hip pivot (provided the head moves as well) Which would explain why the shots can be made with a hip pivot.
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exactly right
 
sounds complicated and confusing, whats wrong with using the fractional ball system and then letting your eyes make the fine tuned adjustment and then pulling the trigger, there is no magical aimimg system, its just practice shots till your brain knows what to do....;)
 
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