Starting this thread to see if any of our team "league" players have the same issue with somthing that has always bothered me, a little, and the (one of) the reasons why i (may) never want to play in one again.
NOTE! (this will not turn into a league bashing thread , its another kind of issue , so please keep it that way.) :nono:
Ok,ive been on my fair share of teams, apa,bca, money leagues ect ect..... Ive never actually started my own team but have been "recruited" by friends or local house teams to be , more less, an anchor man / advisor / time out specialist. or just a solid player when needed.
That means I usually played every week of the session. And my S.L. isnt an issue since i play generaly at the highest S.L you can have in any particular league and asking me to throw a match or sandbag isnt going to work, 1 . i wont do it, 2. you cant make me 3. i would have to about lose every match for a session to go down in S.L. and id be right back up within a week or two after that anyway..
Im there to win matches and give our team a chance to win overall. Ive only done it for the fun and that it isnt any personal inconvenience to me and that at the least , its a break even proposition and i get some time out during a weeknight.
So the outcomes of these sessions usually remain the same.
scenario 1., If im recruited to a 8 man/wman apa "dream team" where "we go to vegas every year!" , i play ever week, have a +80-90 % w/l ratio (cant win em all), pay my dues and do my job.. My team however , in there attempt to play the "numbers game" usually come up short . DreamTeams seem to fall flat of there expectations when the "tron" factor is equated
. Nothing i can do , im not the captain and i dont step on toes to be one, i cant make the rest of team shoot better or worse, its just the way it is.
Yes,not every team gets to go to vegas , que sara sara, had fun guys and i dont think ill be playing next session.
But we do finish close to the top , team gets some $ ...... great.
Scenario 2, im on a money league team that consistently finishes 1 or 2 every session. Play almost every week even tho im not the stand out best player on the team overall but hold my own and maintain a positive w/l record thruout the session , we dont get to go to vegas, but get 1st or 2nd and the $ is better. ok, great.
rinse repeat.....
So after all that my main issue is this (finally)....
If I play every week , after say 14 matches /weeks plus dues im "investing" $140 to the cause of the team , whereas most my team my only play half of what i play and also "invest " half of what i do.
Now when it gets time to get paid, the money gets divided EVENLY among all the players regardless of wether they played 4 matches or 14 ?!!! HuH? :thud:
it always happens (sans the masters team ive played on where theres only 4 or 5 guys and 3 matches per week and we rotation each week).
Why is it that teams(atleast the ones ive been on)dont PRO RATE player performance and "investment" when its time to divey up the dough?......yes, im on a "team" but fair is fair afterall.
If it was performance based like ...... "for every win during the regular session that player receives his full weekly $ dues amount back (or the % of it based on amount the team won),and "for every loss the $ goes into the team pool to be divided equally among the rest of the players", i would be fine with that , or if it was , "every player receives his/ her dues back for all matches played and the rest goes to team pool." ,ok. at least im on a break even proposition. somewhat.....
why would a player(s) who played say, 5 matches to my 14 and has a mediocre w/l record, get equal amount to what i get ? may also skips weeks , dont show up, ect.
I think as a team that every one should have an equal share as long as they have an equal input, lets say all the dues are paid by the team as a whole , thus divide by 8 most of the time. and not just the person who plays that match, with a team play rotation , or not , at the teams discretion ofcourse.
So , is there any team captains or players that do it the way im describing, feel the same way about it i do or am i getting a lil selfish, "jerky" or greedy perhaps?
..i d k.....Thoughts?
Well,you could say that i should tell the apa teams and captains before i join that im a hired gun to get wins and i expect to be reimbursed a fair percentage of my imput. but that would sound , well, kinda crappy and as a team captain i wouldnt want that guy on my team unless we were desperate. And im not that kinda guy....or am i?:grin-square:
Thank you, Tronpocket :speechless:
NOTE! (this will not turn into a league bashing thread , its another kind of issue , so please keep it that way.) :nono:
Ok,ive been on my fair share of teams, apa,bca, money leagues ect ect..... Ive never actually started my own team but have been "recruited" by friends or local house teams to be , more less, an anchor man / advisor / time out specialist. or just a solid player when needed.
That means I usually played every week of the session. And my S.L. isnt an issue since i play generaly at the highest S.L you can have in any particular league and asking me to throw a match or sandbag isnt going to work, 1 . i wont do it, 2. you cant make me 3. i would have to about lose every match for a session to go down in S.L. and id be right back up within a week or two after that anyway..
Im there to win matches and give our team a chance to win overall. Ive only done it for the fun and that it isnt any personal inconvenience to me and that at the least , its a break even proposition and i get some time out during a weeknight.
So the outcomes of these sessions usually remain the same.
scenario 1., If im recruited to a 8 man/wman apa "dream team" where "we go to vegas every year!" , i play ever week, have a +80-90 % w/l ratio (cant win em all), pay my dues and do my job.. My team however , in there attempt to play the "numbers game" usually come up short . DreamTeams seem to fall flat of there expectations when the "tron" factor is equated
. Nothing i can do , im not the captain and i dont step on toes to be one, i cant make the rest of team shoot better or worse, its just the way it is.Yes,not every team gets to go to vegas , que sara sara, had fun guys and i dont think ill be playing next session.
But we do finish close to the top , team gets some $ ...... great.
Scenario 2, im on a money league team that consistently finishes 1 or 2 every session. Play almost every week even tho im not the stand out best player on the team overall but hold my own and maintain a positive w/l record thruout the session , we dont get to go to vegas, but get 1st or 2nd and the $ is better. ok, great.
rinse repeat.....
So after all that my main issue is this (finally)....
If I play every week , after say 14 matches /weeks plus dues im "investing" $140 to the cause of the team , whereas most my team my only play half of what i play and also "invest " half of what i do.
Now when it gets time to get paid, the money gets divided EVENLY among all the players regardless of wether they played 4 matches or 14 ?!!! HuH? :thud:
it always happens (sans the masters team ive played on where theres only 4 or 5 guys and 3 matches per week and we rotation each week).
Why is it that teams(atleast the ones ive been on)dont PRO RATE player performance and "investment" when its time to divey up the dough?......yes, im on a "team" but fair is fair afterall.
If it was performance based like ...... "for every win during the regular session that player receives his full weekly $ dues amount back (or the % of it based on amount the team won),and "for every loss the $ goes into the team pool to be divided equally among the rest of the players", i would be fine with that , or if it was , "every player receives his/ her dues back for all matches played and the rest goes to team pool." ,ok. at least im on a break even proposition. somewhat.....
why would a player(s) who played say, 5 matches to my 14 and has a mediocre w/l record, get equal amount to what i get ? may also skips weeks , dont show up, ect.
I think as a team that every one should have an equal share as long as they have an equal input, lets say all the dues are paid by the team as a whole , thus divide by 8 most of the time. and not just the person who plays that match, with a team play rotation , or not , at the teams discretion ofcourse.
So , is there any team captains or players that do it the way im describing, feel the same way about it i do or am i getting a lil selfish, "jerky" or greedy perhaps?
..i d k.....Thoughts?
Well,you could say that i should tell the apa teams and captains before i join that im a hired gun to get wins and i expect to be reimbursed a fair percentage of my imput. but that would sound , well, kinda crappy and as a team captain i wouldnt want that guy on my team unless we were desperate. And im not that kinda guy....or am i?:grin-square:
Thank you, Tronpocket :speechless:
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