Make it happen first match

[kaznj]

Ortman defeats Harriman75-8. Ortman runs last 46. DH had 3 consecutive fouls when the score was 21-30 ortman.
The shot clock caused some confusion. There are 3 30 second clocks visible. No warning when time runs out. Each player gets an extension per rack. The second time the clock runs out it is a foul.the confusion was whether or not DH took a time out. After a brief break it was determine he had used a time out and was called for a foul.
Stats
Ortman 5.77 blind 4 misses 3 fouls
DH .69 bpi 3 misses 5 fouls

 

[kaznj]

Second match.
Mika opened with traditional safety. Ralf ran 20 and missed. Mika ran 2 and scratched. Ralf ran 110.
Race is to 75. If a player is on a run of 50 or more at the end of the match he can continue to play. A run of 100 gets $500 with $560 for every 50 balls.

 

[sfleinen]

Second match.
Mika opened with traditional safety. Ralf ran 20 and missed. Mika ran 2 and scratched. Ralf ran 110.
Race is to 75. If a player is on a run of 50 or more at the end of the match he can continue to play. A run of 100 gets $500 with $560 for every 50 balls.

Actually, if memory serves, Ralf's run was 112 (even with the final scratch), not 110. But yes, Ralf tried a combination and missed, and Mika's scratch did him in. Ralf ran some nice patterns, and did some great ball-bumping to get key and break balls during his run. Hopefully these will be on DVD soon, because I'd love to review Ralf's run, maybe pick up a couple things in his shot choices.

-Sean

 

[mnhighrunlist]

Glad to hear there is a shot clock being used.

 

[cstrombe]

Thanks for the recaps/updates. :thumbup:

 

[kaznj]

The shot clock was changed from 30 seconds to 40 seconds.

 

[BayGene]

MIH Evening Matches

Hohmann defeats Harriman, runs 117. Toastie looked unbeatable.

Ortmann beats Souquet , high run 57

Hohmann bests Immonen 75-74 (It was like that!)

After the early rules confusion, with the new shot clock and elimination of the keep-playing-after-time-foul rule, things are running smoothly. Table is very dry and fast.

 

[3RAILKICK]

Hohmann defeats Harriman, runs 117. Toastie looked unbeatable.

Ortmann beats Souquet , high run 57

Hohmann bests Immonen 75-74 (It was like that!)

After the early rules confusion, with the new shot clock and elimination of the keep-playing-after-time-foul rule, things are running smoothly. Table is very dry and fast.

An experiment. Glad it's gone.

It appeared to have confused Harriman, Ortmann, referee, TD(Ken Shuman), timekeeper, and promoter/sponsor-Pat Fleming during the first match.

Seemed like player could call for extension as the 30 second clock ran out, or-allow the clock to expire(in or un intentionally) and receive a 30 second extension.(no penalty?) Then, I think, you could let the clock expire again, and take a one ball penalty, but remain at table shooting.(one ball penalty) Then if the clock runs out again, then a foul, lose turn, lose a ball, rerack and break again....or something like that.

pretty sure, I messed this up...but I got confused.

Oh yeah, why strategically, did Harriman, take a 3rd foul, lose 15-18 points? Were his chances of winning, recovering, that bad from within the stack.....and better to opt to 'start over'?

Perhaps this makes perfect sense to 14.1 veterans...I don't play much straight pool.

...but I did like watching Souquet's patterns.


ok-one more thing....'down on the shot' appeared to 'beat the clock'. Even if the player changed the shot selection after the clock expired...or even if you are down, just thinking about shot selection...that avoids shotclock violation?

...glad to see the change to 40 second clock, one extension per rack...otherwise normal rules

 

[sjm]

I must assume that Greenleaf, Mosconi and Crane play some 14.1 together in the hereafter. Having gotten the newsflash from Earth, they've decided to start playing that anyone who runs 50+ and out can finish their run. Last night, Mosconi beat Crane 341-96 in a race to 150.

Sorry, but I just don't get this at all. Hoping there will be no such nonsense at the 14.1 event at Steinway next week.

 

[dmgwalsh]

I must assume that Greenleaf, Mosconi and Crane play some 14.1 together in the hereafter. Having gotten the newsflash from Earth, they've decided to start playing that anyone who runs 50+ and out can finish their run. Last night, Mosconi beat Crane 341-96 in a race to 150.

Sorry, but I just don't get this at all. Hoping there will be no such nonsense at the 14.1 event at Steinway next week.

Stu: Obviously, it makes it harder to compare different generations of players, since the formats (as well as the equipment) is different.

However, everybody likes to see a nice run. I think that Pat usually turns these 100 plus ball runs into player review dvds. That helps Pat defray the costs. It gives the players some extra money. It allows fans and students to listen to what the player thinks about his patterns and his play.

I do not think that Willie or Irving or the other greats would take it personally.

 

[sfleinen]

Stu: Obviously, it makes it harder to compare different generations of players, since the formats (as well as the equipment) is different.

However, everybody likes to see a nice run. I think that Pat usually turns these 100 plus ball runs into player review dvds. That helps Pat defray the costs. It gives the players some extra money. It allows fans and students to listen to what the player thinks about his patterns and his play.

I do not think that Willie or Irving or the other greats would take it personally.

I agree, Dennis. Sometimes, one can be so "old school" to a fault -- the school is in such a state of disrepair that the roof is caving in.

I happen to like this unique format. It gives the spectators what they want -- a down-home good ol' straight pool match (albeit a short race), combined with the ability to continue the run past the match winning ball, giving the audience the opportunity to witness large runs. The shot clock is a welcome addition, too. The days of Frank Taberski taking nearly an entire day to reach 150 are thankfully long gone.

-Sean <-- thankful that 14.1 (with variations) is being played competitively to begin with

 

[stevekur1]

I agree, Dennis. Sometimes, one can be so "old school" to a fault -- the school is in such a state of disrepair that the roof is caving in.

I happen to like this unique format. It gives the spectators what they want -- a down-home good ol' straight pool match (albeit a short race), combined with the ability to continue the run past the match winning ball, giving the audience the opportunity to witness large runs. The shot clock is a welcome addition, too. The days of Frank Taberski taking nearly an entire day to reach 150 are thankfully long gone.

-Sean <-- thankful that 14.1 (with variations) is being played competitively to begin with

I am on the fence with the shot clock, Quite a few times i spotted that a player had just chose a shot to shoot because time was just about to expire. the End result was either a miss or missed position there-after. Maybe they should take it away once the game portion of the contest is over, and the player is now trying to reach bonus money milestones.

-Steve

 

[14-1StraightMan]

Shot Clock

I agree, Dennis. Sometimes, one can be so "old school" to a fault -- the school is in such a state of disrepair that the roof is caving in.

I happen to like this unique format. It gives the spectators what they want -- a down-home good ol' straight pool match (albeit a short race), combined with the ability to continue the run past the match winning ball, giving the audience the opportunity to witness large runs. The shot clock is a welcome addition, too. The days of Frank Taberski taking nearly an entire day to reach 150 are thankfully long gone.

-Sean <-- thankful that 14.1 (with variations) is being played competitively to begin with

I totally agree Sean. You made good points. Specially when it comes to the Shot Clock. 40 seconds is enough time to get down on a shot and stroke as long as a player wants too before taking the shot. This is a well run tournament and it is so interesting to watch.

 

[alstl]

I am on the fence with the shot clock, Quite a few times i spotted that a player had just chose a shot to shoot because time was just about to expire. the End result was either a miss or missed position there-after. Maybe they should take it away once the game portion of the contest is over, and the player is now trying to reach bonus money milestones.

-Steve

As long as they allow one extension I am all in favor of a 40 second shot clock. I'm a big 14.1 fan but I have turned off 14.1 streams because of slow play. I believe Sigel was on a 40 or 45 second shot clock when he ran that great accustats video 150 and out vs Zuglan and there have been several 100 ball runs through the first two days of this current tournament.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I like the shot clock also. IMO the shot clock is great for all forms of pro pool. Noone wants to see someone agonize over a shot for 2,3, or 4 minutes. 40 seconds with one extension seems long enough to me.

 

[sjm]

Stu: Obviously, it makes it harder to compare different generations of players, since the formats (as well as the equipment) is different.

However, everybody likes to see a nice run. I think that Pat usually turns these 100 plus ball runs into player review dvds. That helps Pat defray the costs. It gives the players some extra money. It allows fans and students to listen to what the player thinks about his patterns and his play.

I do not think that Willie or Irving or the other greats would take it personally.

If it benefits Pat, I'm in favor of it. Pat Fleming is one of pool's great treasures and I'm proud to say that he and I have been friends for over 30 years.