team-mates that tell you how to play

[Muttonchops]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

 

[DelaWho???]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

Who is holding the cue? It's your game. Nothing obligates you from taking the advice. Listen politely, consider the advice, and then do what you want to do.

What league? What is your SL? I asume you're talking about someone calling a time out to coach you. I don't know of any league where it is legal or proper to give the player a running commentary on what to shoot and how to shoot it. If it's post shot team chatter such as you should have done this or shot that, then when you are playing don't sit with the team where you can hear it.

 

[kolaas]

Depends on who its doing and how he is doing it. I had a teammate who was better than me, hand down. But he was so annoying and after each match he came out to point what I did wrong. At first I accepted politely, after some time I said I play my own game.

There are also kind people who give advice. They dont do it EVERY time and when they do its advice that is important/fundamental and they do it in a kind way.

 

[naji]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

Do not tell one person, gather all of them, and tell them I do not like anyone telling me how to shoot, and you want to learn from your mistakes

 

[dougster26]

I use to play in a league where time outs for coaching was allowed. I use to see the Captain or the one designated as the coach jump up and holler "time out". Usually the person shooting, looked extremely annoyed. I think the way to handle this, is for the person doing the shooting, be the only one to call time out and ask for advice. If a team member is always making the wrong choices and never asking for advice, then the Captain, when they are alone, should have a talk and discuss the reasoning behind time outs.

 

[Amanda Rae]

I hate this also. Typically im one of the better shooters on my team I run out a good bit and usually in the top 3 on all the leader boards but theres two or three guys that seem to always want to say things like "I think it would have been better for you if you slow rolled the ball in the side and then toook a tough back cut on the 7 to have natural shape on the 8" of course after ive already won..... very annoying but i just smile and move on to the next game.

Its kind of like running your own business every person you run into has a idea on how you should do it, you just smile say "thanks ill take that into consideration" Then ignore it.

 

[krupa]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

Here's a shocking idea: Tell your teammates (and not the Internet) that you don't want to be coached.

Having said that, if better players are offering you advice, you're doing yourself a disservice by ignoring it.

 

[3andstop]

I can appreciate what you say. What seems natural to one person may not even be executable to another.

On the other hand, that's the league atmosphere. This along with some real sloppy play, drinking, yelling, and overall acting like idiots are some of the reasons I never had interest in playing league.

That doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable to some, you just have to accept it for what it is when you join.

 

[ctyhntr]

I don't think its the league, you may just have a micro managing captain. I took a 2 year hiatus from my first season of APA because of an egotistical captain.

I started my second season of APA as co-captain, and everyone on the team is new. Remembering my past experience, I keep things cordial until I get to know everyone's personality. Hopefully we can build team work, or at the least everyone have a good time. In situations where I think advice can help, I remind the player that they have 2 coaching sessions available to them per game. I bring it up once or twice the entire time, and leave it at that. If I see my teammate thinking, pausing and being indecisive I may ask "Would you like to talk?", and hope to be invited in. After missing or making a mistake, its easy to criticize. I think its more important to help the player brush it off, and move on.

 

[oldplayer]

I always welcome advice or helpful hints. when I am in one of "those" matches, especially hill hill,, and I am not sure of what shot should be next, and when I am visibly perplexed, my teammates only ask if I need any help. then they come to the table and ask, "what are you thinking on this shot"?, NOT, "here is what you do"!.........it goes over better that way....sometimes we agree and sometimes we do not but I appreciate the effort as we are working as a team......you now, the team concept. as a joke one night, our "A" player was over a shot and I yelled out "time out"! you should have seen the look on his face, like, "WTF?".......I went over and said, "just make the shot please" and smiled, sometimes he is too serious.

 

[3andstop]

one night, our "A" player was over a shot and I yelled out "time out"! you should have seen the look on his face, like, "WTF?".......I went over and said, "just make the shot please" and smiled, sometimes he is too serious.

Considering many deem the game 80% mental, perhaps the very reason he's an "A" player is because he's too serious.

 

[B8kill3r]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

if you were to take the amount of time it takes you to play league and just practice by yourself for that amount of time you will be a far, far better player, if you dont mind missing the social aspect of league,,, Amen:smile:

 

[JoeW]

Long ago in a far away place when all the team members could come to the table for coaching a friend had just started to play in the league. He was near short stop level.

Anyway, a shot comes up that requires a little thought so he backs away from the table about three feet and stands there sucking on his thumb (like a baby would) until everyone is done "coaching." Then he shoots what he was going to shoot anyway.

I sat there laughing and after awhile everyone caught on and started to laugh as well. The rush to coaching let up a little after that.

Also -- had a friend berate another friend who just finished a B&R telling him how he should have run the table.

Some people can't help it.

 

[KRJ]

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

One it's how you learn. Two, that is what "captains" are for unless your captain shoots worse then you

 

[Black Cat 5791]

You know it's threads like these that really get under my skin. It really pisses me off when you have people who just don't want to take advice. When your on a team everyone's actions effect everyone else's chances of success. The best player on the team should be the coach. They have reached the level that they have for a reason.

Players in all sports at all levels have coaches. You may not be able to execute the shot or complete the pattern, you have to make that decision before you take the first shot. The least that you owe your teammates is courtesy of listening then making the choice of going with your way or the coaches suggestion.

You Win as a Team, and sadly Loose as a Team!!!! Make a choice!!!

Black Cat

 

[JoeW]

Seems to me that when I was last in the national leagues, about five years ago, the rule was that the player is coached only when he asks for it and then he can only have one designated coach.

Not a bad rule. Helps those who need it and keeps the others from breaking a player's concentration.

When you come back to the table after a miss -- well that is another story or perhaps several stories

In our local league of old retirees, there is no coaching. Of course by the time you are our ages you should be able to play a little.

 

[cardiac kid]

You know it's threads like thee that really get under my skin. It really pisses me off when you have people who just don't want to take advice. When your on a team everyone's actions effect everyone else's chances of success. The best player on the team should be the coach. They have reached the level that they have for a reason.

Players in all sports at all levels have coaches. You may not be able to execute the shot or complete the pattern, you have to make that decision before you take the first shot. The least that you owe your teammates is courtesy of listening then making the choice of going with you way or the coaches suggestion.

You Win as a Team, and sadly Loose as a Team!!!! Make a choice!!!

Black Cat

Cat,

You hit the nail right on the head. Face that problem every APA night. Players not wanting to accept advice. They're there to SHOOT pool. Winning is secondary. That's all well and good if you are playing singles. If you are part of a team, you must do what is best for both entities. If not, quit!

Lyn

 

[RFranklin]

Hard headed

It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.

Please, please, please dont take the advice. The APA needs lots of you 5's and 6's that think you know what you are doing running around forever stuck in the middle. Also, if you take the time to note that 9 times out of 10 it doesnt work out well, then you are focusing on the "I told you so" when you lose instead of the advice and not the match itself. There are a dozen ways out of most racks but most skilled players can spot the obvious wrong shots.

 

[Cdryden]

I have found that it is more productive to wait until a player comes to me for help, because when they reach out for help, that is when they are ready to listen. Trying to force someone to do something isn't going to do much good.

To the OP, if and when you do ask for help, be open minded and willing to try something different.

 

[jburkm002]

I wish they would just do away with coaching. Leave it to the two opponents to shoot at their skill level and see who wins. I am usually the coach and one of the better players on the team. When a player lines up for a tough bank, when maybe there is an easy safe. They need to kick at a ball. Shouldn't it be done at their level and not be helped by a more skilled player. How many times you see a player get coached to play a safety? Only to see the same shot come up in the same game and now they got for the unlikely bank. Drives me crazy. Most players just don't try to learn. Either from watching others or from coaching. Some do and those you can work with. I for the most part just let my players play unless I see them looking perplexed. It's like they want a timeout. They just don't want to ask for one. I have also matched player and coach up based on their skill level. This way I might have two lower ranked players looking at the table and making their decision. Hoping this might help both of them by making them really look at the table and thinking for themselves and not relying on a higher ranked player.