team-mates that tell you how to play

Everybody needs to lighten up. League play is team play. If you don't want to be on a "team" with team participation, then go find a tournament or some action. Team mates call time out because they care about the game and want you to win; not so much about second-guessing you. What's worse is you're up and playing your heart out, and the team is ignoring your game and just drinking/horsing around. I'd rather they engaged in my game (even if it sharks me a little) than not caring enough to pay any attention. :p
 
100%. There are always 40 different ways to see a table layout.

Helping out with showing you things to improve your game is totally different than telling you how to play or seriously critiquing your game once its done. Even a little critiquing is fine depending on how it is presented. It can get annoying.

Myself, I am always open to helpful advice to improve my game.

I have played on one or three of those teams myself and in the one instance, I couldn't wait until the season was over. There is always someone in the crowd.

The first time was so pathetic it was actually funny sometimes. I would come back to the table after a game. It would be, why did you shoot that, you should have done this, I would have done it this way, blah, blah, blah.

But when she came back to the table after a butt whooping, it was funny to listen to all the excuses for her loss. He safetied me, it was a hard cut, etc.
It was like, save it for someone who gives a crap.

One team last year, the team captain would critique my shots even if I won the damn game. I put the Eight ball in, don't worry about how I did the last 7 balls before that.

See my Avatar pic. I'm shooting the eight and there are 5 balls left on the table. True story, it did happen. Once.
 
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On the flip side of this, for all of the players that are eager to learn. I will tell you there is nothing more gratifying to me than when a player comes back to me (even if they dont make that 3 railer) with a "thanks, I am going to try that one again after hours" I will sit and bang balls with that guy until 2am and spill my brain. It is the pack it up pissed after a loss and wonder why they dont get better crowd that drives me nuts. My opinion is that everyone should be there to be an APA 7/9 or BCA master you play league.
 
Muttonchops said:
It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.
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Maybe it's your team mates way of saying pick up your socks, you're dragging the rest of us down......

Ever thought of that? Maybe some people aren't satisfied to be stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe, just maybe, your team mate sees some potential in you and wants you to get better......

I'd be more pissed if it was my opponent, however, part of being on a team is dealing with team mates, so suck it up princess.
 
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onepocketron said:
This thread reminds me of really three things:

2) There are people that hate advice, no matter if the person giving the pointer is a much higher skill level than themselves. Their head is harder than concrete. They are so competitive they seem to feel it is a sign of weakness to ask questions or to learn from someone else. They think they are right, even though they are getting their brains beat out all the time. Their way is the right way no matter what. They always have an excuse for why they lost. Their pride and ego get in the way of them learning or taking advice from another person. They tend to improve very slowly, for good reason.
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Had a guy like this tell me not to give him advice unless I've written a book... 3 years later, he's still making the same positional errors and my mouth is shut.

Maybe I should write a book one day.
 
I find it interesting that we've got 3 pages of replies here and muttonchops hasn't checked in yet.

Maybe he doesn't want our advice on advice............
 
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supergreenman said:
I find it interesting that we've got 3 pages of replies here and muttonchops hasn't checked in yet.

Maybe he doesn't want our advice on advise............
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He most likely won't be back. Pure rant post.

I'm happy when my captain sees I need advice and calls time out. He's good at seeing when I need it, even when I don't see it or don't think I need it, but really do.
 
Muttonchops said:
It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.
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Touchy subject here, but it all boils down to good coaching. Some guys like to be coached, others don't. Bottom line here is just knowing your players. Its like managing any other type of team. Identify the players, get to know them and their games, then act accordingly.
 
West Point 1987 said:
Everybody needs to lighten up. League play is team play. If you don't want to be on a "team" with team participation, then go find a tournament or some action. Team mates call time out because they care about the game and want you to win; not so much about second-guessing you. What's worse is you're up and playing your heart out, and the team is ignoring your game and just drinking/horsing around. I'd rather they engaged in my game (even if it sharks me a little) than not caring enough to pay any attention. :p
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This too ; is good advice.
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
You know it's threads like these that really get under my skin. It really pisses me off when you have people who just don't want to take advice.
You Win as a Team, and sadly Loose as a Team!!!! Make a choice!!!

Black Cat :cool:
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Don't let it get under your skin. People aren't always going to agree with you. If timeouts bother a member of your team, why would anyone call a time out with them since it could jeopardize the Team winning. I've seen far too many egos who like to wait till the player has committed to the shot and then yell out timeout.

Believe it or not it breaks some players rhythm and concentration and for some it breaks their confidence. Far too many people ignore this negative aspect of timeouts and like to bark about how no one is above a time out.

Some people like them and some don't. Some players prefer to ask for a time out when they want one and resent someone else interrupting their effort to win the mach.

I respect your opinion but I'm still going to disagree with you :)
 
supergreenman said:
I find it interesting that we've got 3 pages of replies here and muttonchops hasn't checked in yet.

Maybe he doesn't want our advice on advice............
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I was thinking the same thing.. Thinking he may possibly be the problem, not his teammates.. Just an observation, not an accusation!
 
supergreenman said:
Maybe it's your team mates way of saying pick up your socks, you're dragging the rest of us down......

Ever thought of that? Maybe some people aren't satisfied to be stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe, just maybe, your team mate sees some potential in you and wants you to get better......

I'd be more pissed if it was my opponent, however, part of being on a team is dealing with team mates, so suck it up princess.
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Haha i played in a team league for 2 years. A league where coaching is not allowed. I got tired of my teammates being happy with mediocrity and not trying to learn anything. I quit to join a singles league, that way whether i win or lose i only have myself to blame :thumbup:. They sometimes call me when they need someone to sub, but i just tell them that i had other plans; **** mediocrity.

Yes, it is just for fun, but winning is a lot more fun than losing.
 
dr9ball said:
Don't let it get under your skin. People aren't always going to agree with you. If timeouts bother a member of your team, why would anyone call a time out with them since it could jeopardize the Team winning. I've seen far too many egos who like to wait till the player has committed to the shot and then yell out timeout.

Believe it or not it breaks some players rhythm and concentration and for some it breaks their confidence. Far too many people ignore this negative aspect of timeouts and like to bark about how no one is above a time out.

Some people like them and some don't. Some players prefer to ask for a time out when they want one and resent someone else interrupting their effort to win the mach.

I respect your opinion but I'm still going to disagree with you :)
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Gee Rufus how is it that you use my quote but don't use the entire post. So I'm really trying to understand what exactly your trying to accomplish here. Because it kind of makes me feel under attack. You care to clarify?

Black Cat :confused:
 
Time out.

Muttonchops said:
It rubs me the wrong way, I don't tell anyone else how to play? 9 times out of ten if follow a team-mates advice, it doesn't turn out very well. We all see the table differently, let me play my own game...please.
I'm ready to quit this league bs.
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Simple, you have the right to not have a coach. Most intelligent teams will ask the player, do you want to talk about it? This puts the ball in your hands. Find that one guy you actually like to coach you and let people know he's your coach. A good coach will SUGGEST alternatives and not just start telling you how to shoot. He should also begin by asking you your original plan. A good coach will also coach you according to your abilities. League pool is not for everyone. Finish the session and then move on.
 
I will never play on a Team that feels they need to advise me on moves, shots, or strategy.

If they actually believe I need their help, they really need to find another player.
 
Thanks for all the advice. There is no APA or ranking system in the RP, as far as I know, it's all show me what you got...don't care what your ranking is.
This guy is a pretty good friend of mine. We play heads-up for about 3 hours 4 times a week. We are an even match, that's why I like playing him. We call it "don't miss" pool. He doesn't ever tell me how to play then?
But for some reason, that one day a week when we play league, he becomes dr dave, telling everyone how to play, not just me, and he's not the Captain. Karl
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
I will never play on a Team that feels they need to advise me on moves, shots, or strategy.

If they actually believe I need their help, they really need to find another player.
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If that is your attitude why even play on a team? Do you know the definition of teamwork?
 
While I agree that you should try to learn from your mistakes,and play your game, I also have to say that if I see one of my players getting ready to make a bonehead play and I think I can prevent it, I will absolutely stop them from doing it by calling time out. If they aren't comfortable with my advice or what they have to do to execute what I'm telling them, I let them proceed with the knowledge that it's probably going to cost them(us) the game or maybe the match. I do try to make it simple for them. There is certainly a difference between a big mouthed know it all and someone actually knowing more than you and wanting to impart some knowledge. Even as the highest ranked player on both of my league teams I am always open to another perspective if I'm in a tough spot! It's ultimately up to the player at the table to make the decision once advice is offered whether to do it their way or the one proposed to them.
 
Cdryden said:
Lol! I had a guy ask me for a coach once and I advised him to shoot safe and explained how. He said "But I can make this ball." I told him I know he could but he wouldn't have a shot on the next one, to which he replied, "But I get 2 coaches per match, I'll just call you up again after this shot!" :eek:
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I love this guy that Cdryden mentions and the blank look on their face when you're trying to explain your reason for this, I always approach the table with their beer in hand, "drink this, it'll be good for us both"...

I'm what the APA calls a Senior Level Player, but as I sit and watch I know I see things at the table that the player doesn't always see, so I'm always open to an additional view from some one that might have a different vantage point. There have also been times that a team mate knows that something has me a bit out of sync or they observe that I may be rushing so a time out is in order to put me back into the groove. Maybe it's in how you approach it to begin with, some people see things as right or wrong, black or white and perhaps you are the ones that are rigid in your approach - "I don't want or need your help just let me play"...
and me, throughout my life time I have spent time developing a specific art form and as an artist I have always had to be open to another's perspective and I have come to learn that everybody has something they can teach me, whether artistically or athletically I can always learn. I've been told that I'm gifted, I don't know that I agree, but I do know that I have never stopped trying pick up new things or listen to other alternative ideas and that attitude is with me at the table.
Consider it sexually, if you're heavy into a "session" and your partner says "do this..." or "I like it when you..." or "I love that..." do you tell them "shut the phuque up, I'm the one doing this!" or do you oblige?
I think you also have to know your team, and there are people on my team that I would never call time out for while they're playing, they just don't respond well, and there are others, regardless of their skill level that always welcome any help they can get.
 
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