Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

[SJDinPHX]

You can also make two balls out of rotation on a roll out and they BOTH spot.....this is more along the lines of the "deeper level" that I referred to yesterday. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Mr. Wiley, sir, you have spent your last 40-50 posts, expounding on your ball running skills in one pocket, (video's provided of course) or the fact that you beat most of the one pocket champs you faced...Parica, Busty, Joyner, etc. !..A few of these video's would be appreciated ! (Sorry, Amarillo Slim does not count )

Speaking of Slim, I must ask..Is there ANYONE In the entire pool world, you have NOT posed for a picture with ?..You may be the only pool player on the planet, who had a professional photographer, follow him around EVERYWHERE he went...They are very good quality, to good, and most too far back for a camera phone !

My other question is, what happened to your first 100 or so posts, where you were claiming you could PROVE TO ANYONE, that the game of 2 shot foul 9 ball, was infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket ?..Not surprisingly, you took a lot of flak for that unfounded, erroneous claim, as was to be expected, from ANYONE who has played over 2-3 games of either one !..Why did you abandon proving your point, to us unwashed illitreri ?

While on this subject, let me say this..If One Pocket is just a boring "old man's game", then 9 ball must be a game for the 'instant gratification' of teen-ager's, with the attention span of a goldfish, and NO staying power !..(could be why the ladies call 9 baller's, "2 minute men" )

SJD <--Thank God..."MY game has been MY teacher" !

 

[HawaiianEye]

My other question is, what happened to your first 100 or so posts, where you were claiming you could PROVE TO ANYONE, that the game of 2 shot foul 9 ball, was infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket ?..Not surprisingly, you took a lot of flak for that idiotic claim, as was to be expected by ANYONE who has played over 2-3 games of either one !..Why did you abandon proving your point, to us unwashed illitreri ?
/QUOTE]

I also tend to think a top 2-shot foul 9-ball player would have more chance of winning a one pocket game with a champ than a one-pocket player would have a chance of beating a top 9-ball champ in 2-foul. I'm not talking just ONE game of each...I mean a several game set of each.

That is based upon my experience of playing both games and in watching people playing the game.

I'm not saying that is either right or wrong, I'm just saying that is what I perceive to be the case.

 

[Neil]

That's exactly right. if you set up a straight pool break and you then shoot one ball a day without missing from that initial break shot then you have run 365 consecutive balls.

A ton of knowledge on how to play, a ton of road stories, stories about running a pool room stories about running a nightclub, stories about promoting professional events, stories about pressure from the professional perspective, behind the scenes stories about pro pool and the mosconi cup and a lot more.

A lot of us see all that and are grateful for it. You have latched on to some small tiny aspect that you think CJ is dead wrong about and have turned it into an obsession to discredit him any way possible.

The more I think about it the more I think CJ is mentally stronger than just about every other pro out there for how he fades the heat some of you bring here. I understand why the pros in general want NOTHING to do with this forum.

Kelly Fisher had it right long ago when she told me that the more familiar fans are with a pro the less respect they have. I disagreed with her and thought that pool offered a great opportunity to build a personal fan base precisely because of easier access to the pros.

But it turns out that she was mostly right. While some fans maintain a respectful communication with pros even when they disagree with them some don't even try to have a veneer of civility.

Unfortunately while the majority of fans are cool about it the absurdly vocal and defamatory minority tend to ruin it for the rest of us.

Well, John, you just go right ahead believing that nonsense if it makes you sleep better at night. By the way, respect is earned. He lost that with me right off the bat when I politely gave him some suggestions, and he promptly showed his arrogance and did nothing but insult me. As far as his stories, I have never said a word about them. As far as his teaching, I put on on the same level as push-pool's. Keep on following his instructions John, you will never get any better than you are now.

 

[SJDinPHX]

I also tend to think a top 2-shot foul 9-ball player would have more chance of winning a one pocket game with a champ than a one-pocket player would have a chance of beating a top 9-ball champ in 2-foul.

You may be right, but that would also be up for a serious debate !..A whole lot would depend on the two players !..But, please..
.tell me how that has anything at all to do with comparing the difficulty level of the two games ?

SJD

PS..At the risk of being immodest, have you ever seen the DVD of my AccuStat match with Joyner ? (Baton Rouge, 1993)

http://www.1vshop.com/Accu-Stats/store.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=000509

...I was 65 at the time, and Cliff could probably have given me at least the 6 or 7 in 9 ball !

 

[JB Cases]

You may be right, but that would also be up for debate !..A whole lot would depend on the two players !..But, please tell me how that has anything at all to do with comparing the difficulty level of the two games ?

SJD

PS..At the risk of being immodest, have you ever seen the DVD of my AccuStat match with Joyner ? (Baton Rouge, 1993)
...I was 65 at the time, and Cliff could probably have given me at least the 6 or 7 in 9 ball !

Dammit after all this promoting I am about to go buy the DVD.

I want to say that from an amateur perspective, which I CLEARLY am, one pocket is much harder than nine ball. And I think that the reason is shot selection and execution. As an amateur I know that I often do not select the right shot. And because of the fact that shots very often must be carried out with the idea of not leaving anything if missed that bit of pressure leads to more misses.

I think that perhaps for amateurs the relative paint-by-the-numbers aspect of nine ball makes it seem and feel much easier than one pocket which does certainly have a higher degree of thought that must be put into shot selection by amateurs.

Maybe when players get to Shane's level the differences are not so much because they can execute almost any shot they see so it is a matter of knowing enough shots to understand the flow of the game.

I want to reiterate that as much fun as it seems people are having debating which game is harder it doesn't really matter. No one gets an extra trophy or a check for being the best at the tougher game in pool. Each game stands alone and the only time it matters is if players are trying to match up using multiple games. Then they can debate about who is stronger at what.

 

[JB Cases]

Well, John, you just go right ahead believing that nonsense if it makes you sleep better at night. By the way, respect is earned. He lost that with me right off the bat when I politely gave him some suggestions, and he promptly showed his arrogance and did nothing but insult me. As far as his stories, I have never said a word about them. As far as his teaching, I put on on the same level as push-pool's. Keep on following his instructions John, you will never get any better than you are now.

Ok. I can respect that you felt put out from the beginning. Everything has origins and catalysts somewhere. If chasing him around trying to discredit him is your way of working through it then by all means continue.

But discrediting the value of his instruction is disingenuous and petty. And sadly it's kind of like what those who dumped on Hal all the years did. For the record I don't follow his instructions. I am lazy, I looked at the videos and decided I didn't want to put in the 3 weeks of solid practice and as a result I don't TOI. Probably to my detriment because I did actually like it the little bit I did do.

I do think that you don't have much in the way or grounds or credentials to criticize CJ's instruction with a prediction that his students will never improve by following it. That's a petty statement that is not at all based in fact.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Dammit after all this promoting I am about to go buy the DVD.

Here ya go John..http://www.1vshop.com/Accu-Stats/sto...11&PROD=000509


I want to say that from an amateur perspective, which I CLEARLY am, one pocket is much harder than nine ball. And I think the reason is shot selection and execution.

Forgive me for asking John, isn't that the first two commandments of all pool games ?..Of course the third one is.....
....."Thou shalt not doggeth it" !

 

[backplaying]

Well, John, you just go right ahead believing that nonsense if it makes you sleep better at night. By the way, respect is earned. He lost that with me right off the bat when I politely gave him some suggestions, and he promptly showed his arrogance and did nothing but insult me. As far as his stories, I have never said a word about them. As far as his teaching, I put on on the same level as push-pool's. Keep on following his instructions John, you will never get any better than you are now.

Come on Neil, you have done nothing but bash CJ since the first thread he posted. You claim you have been on him because he insulted you over a year ago, kind of shows what type of person you are. I looked for the post way back then when you claimed he did this and I never seen where he insulted you. Can you show that post?
Another thing, when certain aiming system gurus were posting, you would attack anyone who even questioned him.
Now you claim that not only can you teach better than CJ, but that no one will ever get better with CJ instructing them. You are a very bidder person and the reason I warned CJ about you before he started posting. I guess it was just a lucky guess.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Staying up for 3/4 days at a time usually doesn't end well for your bankroll.

Mr. Wiley, sir, you have spent your last 40-50 posts, expounding on your ball running skills in one pocket, (video's provided of course) or the fact that you beat most of the one pocket champs you faced...Parica, Busty, Joyner, etc. !..A few of these video's would be appreciated ! (Sorry, Amarillo Slim does not count )

But it does beg the question. Is there ANYONE In the entire pool world, you have NOT posed for a picture with ?..You may be the only pool player on the planet, who had a professional photographer, follow him around EVERYWHERE !....Sheeeeeesh ! (and never a hair out of place either..amazing)

My other question is, what happened to your first 100 or so posts, where you were claiming you could PROVE TO ANYONE, that the game of 2 shot foul 9 ball, was infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket ?..Not surprisingly, you took a lot of flak for that unfounded, erroneous claim, as was to be expected, from ANYONE who has played over 2-3 games of either one !..Why did you abandon proving your point, to us unwashed illitreri ?

While on this subject, let me say this..If One Pocket is just a boring "old man's game", then 9 ball must be a game for the 'instant gratification' of teen-ager's, with the attention span of a goldfish, and NO staying power !..(could be why the ladies call 0 baller's, "2 minute men" )

SJD <--Thank God..."MY game has been MY teacher" !

I said I'd make a video on Two Shot Shoot Out to explain my points and I will do that asap......I've been managing a "one flavor" sno cone stand that's been keeping me busy....I just got dong doing inventory so I'm exhausted. :boring:

At not time did I say "Shoot Out 9 Ball" was "infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket" - if you want to debate me fairly you can't misquote me, that's like stealing a ball out of my pocket.

I also didn't say One Pocket was a "boring "old man's game",.....what was mentioned was when I was growing up it was considered an "old man's game"(not boring).....and it was. I happen to like One Pocket although it's never been my best game....but close at for a brief period back in the mid 90s.

Someone said you played pretty good golf in your time, about a 12 handicap. They said you gambled, but your limit was about $30. a day, although that's probably a considerable amount in "today's money"......you reportedly had some gamble, but your management abilities were always questionable and probably could have been better.

Staying up for 3/4 days at a time usually doesn't end well for your bankroll.

I'm told you could have spotted me 8/7 playing One Pocket, but I could have given you the 7 Ball playing 'Shoot Out'......I'd say it would have been closer to the "8 Ball," but who knows, that still means you were a "good darn shooter" in you time.....kudos.

I'm looking forward to you seeing my video on Two Shot Roll Out, you'll learn a thing or two for sure......and in turn you can make me a video on One Pocket, I'm always eager to learn from my peers. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

my job is to bring out the best aspect of pool again and let the "chips fall ........

My other question is, what happened to your first 100 or so posts, where you were claiming you could PROVE TO ANYONE, that the game of 2 shot foul 9 ball, was infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket ?..Not surprisingly, you took a lot of flak for that idiotic claim, as was to be expected by ANYONE who has played over 2-3 games of either one !..Why did you abandon proving your point, to us unwashed illitreri ?
/QUOTE]

I also tend to think a top 2-shot foul 9-ball player would have more chance of winning a one pocket game with a champ than a one-pocket player would have a chance of beating a top 9-ball champ in 2-foul. I'm not talking just ONE game of each...I mean a several game set of each.

That is based upon my experience of playing both games and in watching people playing the game.

I'm not saying that is either right or wrong, I'm just saying that is what I perceive to be the case.

9 Ball players are dangerous opponents playing One Pocket, Shane and Earl have proved that. They just change how the game must be played because of their "fire power".

One pocket specialists can't beat the champion 9 Ball players if they play a reasonable amount of time, they (the one pocket players) don't have enough "fire power"......I've seen this many times,

Jack Cooney couldn't beat me with the 7 Ball and he played better than most one pocket specialists (Billy Incardona played me with the 6 Ball, but would never play 'Two Shot' because of the "fire power" disadvantage.

There's some factors that no one is taking into consideration when comparing One Pocket and 'Two Shot Shoot Out' and when I expose these aspects I can already hear the excuses....that's ok, my job is to bring out the best aspect of pool again and let the "chips fall where they may". 'The Game is my Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

I will be teaching (learning)something no matter if I'm involved in pocket billiards

Come on Neil, you have done nothing but bash CJ since the first thread he posted. You claim you have been on him because he insulted you over a year ago, kind of shows what type of person you are. I looked for the post way back then when you claimed he did this and I never seen where he insulted you. Can you show that post?
Another thing, when certain aiming system gurus were posting, you would attack anyone who even questioned him.
Now you claim that not only can you teach better than CJ, but that no one will ever get better with CJ instructing them. You are a very bidder person and the reason I warned CJ about you before he started posting. I guess it was just a lucky guess.

He won't come up with any of these Insulting posts because they don't exist. I've answered and responded to thousands of emails, PM's and posts in the last year. I would guess that I've written more on the average than anyone in the history of this forum.....or maybe any forum, I'd have to ask AtLarge to research that one. It does get old seeing the constant bashing, but I know there's many players that are benefiting from me sharing the knowledge from all the people that have influenced my game.

As far as no one getting better from my systems and techniques.....well, I have a lot of emails and private messages that would counter that claim......when I was out of pool for 10 years I trained and taught over 2000 hours of martial arts and studied golf with Hank Haney (Tiger Wood's golf coach for 6 years) so teaching is my passion whether it's golf, martial arts or pool......I also was traveling around with the college tennis coach when I was 12-15 giving tennis lessons 3 summers in a row in northern Missouri.

I will be teaching and learning something no matter if I'm involved in pocket billiards or not, my real interests lie in natural health and holistic medicine.....as well as hypnosis,neuro linguistic programming, and the study of the Masoretic Text in the original languages.

Mary Avina is also incredibly knowledgeably in these disciplines, and we both like to discuss them with anyone that's equally interested......Mary can be reached at www.maryavina.com and I'm available at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com.....'The Game is All of Our Teachers' - Aloha

 

[SJDinPHX]

I said I'd make a video on Two Shot Shoot Out to explain my points and I will do that asap......I've been managing a "one flavor" sno cone stand that's been keeping me busy....I just got done doing inventory so I'm exhausted. :boring:<--Very clever..Even in the furthest arctic regions, you have let everyone know you are heading up a new bazillion dollar venture, and breathing new life into our dying pool scene !..I am sure you'll do much better than 'Bonus Ball' !..SERIOUSLY, I really wish you every success in that area !

At not time did I say "Shoot Out 9 Ball" was "infinitely more difficult to master than One Pocket" - if you want to debate me fairly you can't misquote me, that's like stealing a ball out of my pocket. <--Sorry, your actual quote was "2 shot 9 ball, is at least 10 times harder a game than One Pocket" !

I also didn't say One Pocket was a "boring "old man's game",.....what was mentioned was when I was growing up it was considered an "old man's game"(not boring).....and it was. I happen to like One Pocket although it's never been my best game....but close at for a brief period back in the mid 90s.<--Dang it, why did you avoid Phoenix ?

Someone said you played pretty good golf in your time, about a 12 handicap. They said you gambled, but your limit was about $30. a day, although that's probably a considerable amount in "today's money"......you reportedly had some gamble, but your management abilities were always questionable and probably could have been better.<--This semi-cheap shot, is covered in my reply !

Staying up for 3/4 days at a time usually doesn't end well for your bankroll. <--More misinformation ! Actually I used to stay DRUNK for 3/4 days ! (same effect on bankroll though)

I'm told you could have spotted me 8/7 playing One Pocket, but I could have given you the 7 Ball playing 'Shoot Out', I'd say it would have been closer to the "8 Ball," but who knows, that still means you were a "good darn shooter" in you time,kudos.<--WAY off there too..I probably could have given you 9/7 at one hole, and you could have given me the 6 at nine ball..(when I was 75 )
I'm looking forward to you seeing my video on Two Shot Roll Out, you'll learn a thing or two for sure......and in turn you can make me a video on One Pocket, I'm always eager to learn from my peers. 'The Game is the Teacher'<--I am waiting with 'bait on my breath' !

Say, couple of pretty good zinger's you laid on me there big fella ! :embarrassed2:..Please let me enlighten you on a few things.. Firstly, I don't believe I 'mis-quoted' you at all !...When you started getting too much heat for your indefensible stance on the two games, (1P-9ball)..I know you modified a few posts, to make them more pallatable, for your 'TOI' fans !..I just caught them before you got a chance !..But that's OK, 'creative' editing is not a sin, I've done it a few times myself !

Secondly, I am probably about a 32 handicapper at golf (on a golf course) but I do love to play ! I never had Hank Haney for a golf coach, or I might have learnt gooder !..Now golf on a 6 X 12 snooker table, is/was another story..If you could win at that game, you could win half the money in Denver, San Jose and Phoenix ! (and that would be a decent 'Wiley size' score) ..At that game, I would be about a -10 handicap !

Thirdly, I admit management skills were never my strong suit, however, I have 'managed' to stay in money all my life, as I've always had a job, or a business to support said management deficiencies !.. When I was W.C. (without cash) I had a plethora of people, who would sometimes go to blows, for the privilege of staking me !..

Fourthly, You are grossly mis-informed on my gambling..No one ever got to play any $30 pool with me ! You would be shocked at what I played for, (even adjusting for inflation)..But, I have always left 'bragging' about $$$$ won, (or lost) up to the insecure people, who seem to thrive on it !

Fifthly, You are OK in my book Mr. Wiley !..In my eight decades on this earth,..I've met a lot of people, with a near terminal 'superiority complexes'...You are one of the nicest ! :thumbup:

PS..Our mutual friend, Alfie Taylor, recently reminded me, that he introduced us to each other, when I was in Vegas with him a few years ago..I guess we were "mutually" unimpressed, but I did think you looked familiar ! ...Here is a couple of pictures of that 'unforgettable' event, he thinks you may have even snapped the one with Gwyn Staton for us !

 

[Spimp13]

But since we both know it's not going to happen for the number one reason that you are scared to death of losing to me I'd be happy to see you do the following on video and I will bet against it.

1. Run ONE rack of one hole all 15 balls in one pocket.
2. Run ONE rack of rotation.
3. Make ten banks in a row with a curtain covering the rails.
4. Make 15 shots in a row in either corner with a curtain in the way.

You have unlimited tries. I will bet $100 that in the next 12 months you will do none of these things.

I know this was directed to Lou, but was this offer open to anyone on here or just him? I may want to take this bet and try it on my Olhausen BB at home and film it with the good ol flip camera.

 

[Neil]

Come on Neil, you have done nothing but bash CJ since the first thread he posted. You claim you have been on him because he insulted you over a year ago, kind of shows what type of person you are. I looked for the post way back then when you claimed he did this and I never seen where he insulted you. Can you show that post?
Another thing, when certain aiming system gurus were posting, you would attack anyone who even questioned him.
Now you claim that not only can you teach better than CJ, but that no one will ever get better with CJ instructing them. You are a very bidder person and the reason I warned CJ about you before he started posting. I guess it was just a lucky guess.

Why would I show you a thing when you obviously went behind my back to stick a knife in it right from the start? You don't know what you don't know, but go right ahead and keep thinking you do know something. As to the claim, I stand by it. The reasons apparently are over your head due to your lack of knowledge. It's not a brag, it's just a fact. I would take any PBIA RECOGNIZED instructor, (which is the lowest level) over CJ's teaching. All CJ does is add other problems to the game. He doesn't make it simpler, he makes it harder. He never gets at the "cure", only sticks band-aids on the wounds that inevitably will fall off. If you think he is so great, go pay him for his lessons, and go buy his DVD's.

 

[jhanso18]

I know this was directed to Lou, but was this offer open to anyone on here or just him? I may want to take this bet and try it on my Olhausen BB at home and film it with the good ol flip camera.

I'm digging the new Allysa pic! Might be my favorite yet. Something sexy about a girl in a baseball cap...


Anyway, I might try the same on my gold crown. It's got buckets though...

 

[Spimp13]

I'm digging the new Allysa pic! Might be my favorite yet. Something sexy about a girl in a baseball cap...


Anyway, I might try the same on my gold crown. It's got buckets though...

Not very many girls can pull it off but daaaaamn she does . Anyway team Spimp is waiting on JBs reply (seems everyone has a team or camp these days so I am starting my own). That offer may only be open to Lou.

 

[Neil]

He won't come up with any of these Insulting posts because they don't exist. I've answered and responded to thousands of emails, PM's and posts in the last year. I would guess that I've written more on the average than anyone in the history of this forum.....or maybe any forum, I'd have to ask AtLarge to research that one. It does get old seeing the constant bashing, but I know there's many players that are benefiting from me sharing the knowledge from all the people that have influenced my game.

As far as no one getting better from my systems and techniques.....well, I have a lot of emails and private messages that would counter that claim......when I was out of pool for 10 years I trained and taught over 2000 hours of martial arts and studied golf with Hank Haney (Tiger Wood's golf coach for 6 years) so teaching is my passion whether it's golf, martial arts or pool......I also was traveling around with the college tennis coach when I was 12-15 giving tennis lessons 3 summers in a row in northern Missouri.

I will be teaching and learning something no matter if I'm involved in pocket billiards or not, my real interests lie in natural health and holistic medicine.....as well as hypnosis,neuro linguistic programming, and the study of the Masoretic Text in the original languages.

Mary Avina is also incredibly knowledgeably in these disciplines, and we both like to discuss them with anyone that's equally interested......Mary can be reached at www.maryavina.com and I'm available at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com.....'The Game is All of Our Teachers' - Aloha

That statement in red makes you a liar. Plain and simple. Clear for anyone on here to see.I've publicly responded to some of them a number of times. As to all the e-mails you supposedly get, yes, any change can cause an improvement for a short while. It's called "paying attention". Even a new cue or using a house cue will cause an improvement for a while. Then it's right back to the same old level of play because nothing was really done to cause any lasting improvement. But, you didn't even know that , did you?? Or is it that you did know, but didn't care?

I don't believe teaching is your passion at all. I believe being in the limelight is your passion. I say that because you have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that you are not the least bit interested in the actual facts of the game. You don't teach what will give lasting improvement in any area. You only teach what you THINK you actually do. Which isn't even what has been shown that you actually do. Any real teacher is only interested in the student being taught something that will give a lasting improvement over time. You are only interested in "look at me, I'm in the limelight again! Buy my DVD's."

All you are doing is being the current Kevin Trudeau of pool. And, like with him, quite a few people will eat it up. All to their detriment. If you can sleep that way at night, have at it. However, if you really want to teach honestly, then maybe you should take some time to actually learn about the game. Just because you could play it great at one time, does not equate to being able to teach it, and vice-versa. Hopefully that is one challenge you will take up. You could do a lot of good for pool players if you actually cared about them more than you cared about having a fan club. For every student you think you are helping, you are actually hurting a hundred more that you don't hear about. Do you have any concern about actually helping them? Why is it that everytime you are asked any of the tough questions on here, that you just ignore them? Not just by me, but by anyone?

You want to teach? Then take the time to actually learn what is out there instead of dismissing with a wave of your hand as nonsense everything that you currently don't know about. You come across with your way is the only real way to play. But you don't even know for sure what you do and why you do it. And what effect each little thing does and why. All you want to teach is "This is what I think I did, so just do this". That is about as ignorant and arrogant as it gets when it comes to teaching. That's not teaching, that's just "oh, look at me, look at me" insecurity complex. Ever notice that not a single instructor on here ever backs up what you say? Think there might be a reason for that? Not many are vocal about correcting what you say for various reasons. But not a one endorses what you teach on here or in your DVD's. I'm vocal on here because I don't have any monetary gain or loss in it anymore. I only care about others actually improving. Not being told things that are a waste of their precious time. And, it irks me to no end to see others taken advantage of just to soothe your ego. You, and anyone else that does it.

 

[jhanso18]

Not very many girls can pull it off but daaaaamn she does . Anyway team Spimp is waiting on JBs reply (seems everyone has a team or camp these days so I am starting my own). That offer may only be open to Lou.

I want to start my own too. You guys down in Des Moines have all the cool kids. Tough to start a camp up here in Sioux Falls, SD. I might have to join yours on a temporary work visa!!!

 

[JB Cases]

I know this was directed to Lou, but was this offer open to anyone on here or just him? I may want to take this bet and try it on my Olhausen BB at home and film it with the good ol flip camera.

Only open to Lou. I have zero interest in seeing you play.

 

[Spimp13]

Only open to Lou. I have zero interest in seeing you play.

The feeling is definitely mutual, but fair enough. GL Lou if you take this offer...I know I would.