MOSCONI Break Rules CHANGE

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I welcome your opinions on this one... :thumbup:

Break Rules Set To Change

AFTER CONSULTATION with both team captains, the rules and conditions governing the break shot at the 2013 PartyPoker.net Mosconi Cup are set to change with the introduction of a narrow break box.

Previously, the event employed the ‘three point rule’ whereby for a break shot to be deemed legal, three balls had to either be pocketed or pass the head string or a combination thereof. The penalty for an ‘illegal break’ was loss of table.

That rule has now been dispensed with and at the 2013 PartyPoker.net Mosconi Cup all players will be taking their break shot within a marked area measuring 4.25 inches (11cm) and extending from the centre of head string to the short rail. The balls will be racked with the 9 ball on the spot and players will be asked to do their best.

“This is great for the Mosconi Cup and we’re looking forward to December and the chance to make our break shots really count! Looking at the team, I think you’d be hard pushed to find many better breakers in pool than Shane, Earl, Dennis and Rodney,” said Johnny Archer.
 
This change is a lot better, but I feel the 1 ball should be on the spot. In any case, there are plenty of 9' Diamonds around for each member of the U.S team to practice on, and I hope they do. I know one member that will for sure. The break is the most important thing to practice on. And before anyone says it. Yes, I know every table is some what different, but they can tweek it at the Mosconi table when they get there. Johnnyt
 
YEP - This new rule is more skilled based, which is better for all players, spectators, referees, commentators and viewing audiences!
Bring The Pain! :thumbup:
 
Bella Don't Cry said:
YEP - This new rule is more skilled based, which is better for all players, spectators, referees, commentators and viewing audiences!
Bring The Pain! :thumbup:
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Hmm... more skill based. That instantly made me think, I wonder ... If Mosconi returned to earth to oversee the Mosconi cup .... what changes might he make to make it ... as you say, "more skill based". :scratchhead:
 
Definitely for the better. The three-balls-past rule is a crap shoot, completely unrelated to its original intention (outlaw the soft break). You'd see SVB, JA and others crush the rack but not have three balls past the headstring just due to incidental collisions.

In a race to 13 you can recover from a stupid rule. In a race to 5 it's death.

All the problems would be solved if they switch to 10-ball. But that would take too much time for TV.
 
bdorman said:
Definitely for the better. The three-balls-past rule is a crap shoot, completely unrelated to its original intention (outlaw the soft break). You'd see SVB, JA and others crush the rack but not have three balls past the headstring just due to incidental collisions.

In a race to 13 you can recover from a stupid rule. In a race to 5 it's death.

All the problems would be solved if they switch to 10-ball. But that would take too much time for TV.
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As silly as it sounds, why not a radar gun? Have to break at min speed or it's a foul. Johnnyt
 
3andstop said:
Hmm... more skill based. That instantly made me think, I wonder ... If Mosconi returned to earth to oversee the Mosconi cup .... what changes might he make to make it ... as you say, "more skill based". :scratchhead:
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Well trying to make the wing ball or any ball is better than hit n hope, isn't? :thumbup:
 
Johnnyt said:
Because that's where it has gone for 75 years. :p Johnnyt
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A poor justification for anything, IMO ;).

I think it's a better game with the nine on the spot, and the break box could make things interesting (although it definitely favours the Americans;)).
 
This rule means there will be two primary break spots.

And coincidentally one of the spots is exactly where Shane normally breaks from.

Advantage - USA.... especially without Corey
 
3andstop said:
Hmm... more skill based. That instantly made me think, I wonder ... If Mosconi returned to earth to oversee the Mosconi cup .... what changes might he make to make it ... as you say, "more skill based". :scratchhead:
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For one, it wouldn't be 9 Ball. :D
 
Total 4.25"?

Bella Don't Cry said:
I welcome your opinions on this one... :thumbup:

Break Rules Set To Change

That rule has now been dispensed with and at the 2013 PartyPoker.net Mosconi Cup all players will be taking their break shot within a marked area measuring 4.25 inches (11cm) and extending from the centre of head string to the short rail. The balls will be racked with the 9 ball on the spot and players will be asked to do their best.
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Does this mean 2.125" on each side of center (meaning 4.25" total)? Or 4.25" on each side of center (meaning 8.5" inches total)?

I suspect 4.25" total would help the Americans, for reasons that I will keep to myself...for now.
 
3-ball rule became a semi-soft break

bdorman said:
Definitely for the better. The three-balls-past rule is a crap shoot, completely unrelated to its original intention (outlaw the soft break). You'd see SVB, JA and others crush the rack but not have three balls past the headstring just due to incidental collisions.

In a race to 13 you can recover from a stupid rule. In a race to 5 it's death.

All the problems would be solved if they switch to 10-ball. But that would take too much time for TV.
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You are correct that it did not change the soft break. The Euros successfully used a semi-soft break with it.

IIRC, at the last Mosconi Cup it was no crap shoot, the Euros perfected the 3-ball past break, and the States'rs caught on too late. It was no crap shoot to them. More like a soft break. In the US, it seems there is this idea that your more of "man" if you break harder or jump without a shorter cue. It's like we believe we need to take the skill out of the break shot. I do understand that this is more exciting for viewers. Like watching a jump shot or a combination 9 ball shot. As for me? I don't care, as long as both sides are playing by the same rules.
 
I like this change. The illegal break rule, to me, was the only negative at the otherwise almost unimprovable World Cup of Pool last month, during which the nine was racked on the spot.

Most of all, I like the announcement six weeks before the event. Everybody on both teams will have ample time to practice this break.
 
voiceofreason said:
A lot of people refer to the soft break being bad.

Why is it bad exactly?
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The only people thinking it was BAD were the people who lost to it.

As long as everyone is using legal equipment, playing on the same tables, and using the same rules there is NO PROBLEM that I can see.

If you lose to a person who soft breaks and you think that is the ONLY reason they beat you....THEN PRACTICE THE SAME THING THEY ARE DOING! KWIT CHUR B1TCHING!!!

If the person is making a LEGAL shot, then maybe they are just a bit better than you....OR SMARTER!!!

Get with the plan, Stan ... or .... Get on the bus, Gus! The choice is YOURS!!!
 
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