I didn't say it to be mean. Would you consider marrying some one you never met stupid?
Cause it's pretty close.
Explain This to Me...
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I didn't say it to be mean. Would you consider marrying some one you never met stupid?
Cause it's pretty close.
It's not fair to generalize all cue makers in the same category. If someone has a specific issue with a cue maker. That's fine. There are several threads regarding bad service with specifics and the cue maker. It's up to the reader to what value the put on your post and responses. Sure some cue makers have excellent track records. Doesn't mean they please everyone but at least give the effort.
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Yeah, I saw you with a Gangster hat on and not much else in that fashion shoot.
If I lived a little closer and wasn't married, I might be knocking on your door, flowers in one hand and a wait list coupon in the other.
If that wouldn't get to ya, nothing wood.
And don't get excited guys. Lisa had a blanket wrapped around her. I imagine that there are maybe a couple of others that we aren't allowed to see.
Again...this thread was meant to be a general discussion concerning this 'trend' of consumerism. It was never meant to target any one maker....because it appears to be an issue among some high end makers. I have absolutely no bone to pick with anyone, as I am fair out of the custom loop these days. I am getting a clearer picture, however.
As to someone stating that it's obvious that my forays into custom work is limited to custom cues....here goes:
Custom riding leathers...right on budget, delivered a month early, very well treated.
Custom air-brushed motorcycle 'tin' (shipped my tin)....below budget, delivered early, treated very well.
Custom white brass buckles and conchos....on budget, delivered on time, treated well.
Custom motorcycle parts from maker in Italy...on budget, delivered with a week delay, treated well.
Custom kite from maker in UK...on budget, delivered two weeks early...treated very well. (Have ordered others, but list would get too long)
Custom boots...on budget, delivered a week early, treated very well.
I also used to make, as well as collect, high end mohair and alpaca Teddy Bears (don't laugh, some people think that pool cues are silly too)...never had an issue concerning the pricing, the delivery times or the way I was treated.
Piece of custom jewelry...on budget, delivered on time, very well treated.
I could likely go on and on.....I am no stranger to commissioning custom work. And none of what happens with regard to high end cues happens in any of the areas I have dealt with....so yeah, I wonder why.
As to someone stating that it's obvious that my forays into custom work is limited to custom cues....here goes:
Custom riding leathers...right on budget, delivered a month early, very well treated.
Custom air-brushed motorcycle 'tin' (shipped my tin)....below budget, delivered early, treated very well.
Custom white brass buckles and conchos....on budget, delivered on time, treated well.
Custom motorcycle parts from maker in Italy...on budget, delivered with a week delay, treated well.
Custom kite from maker in UK...on budget, delivered two weeks early...treated very well. (Have ordered others, but list would get too long)
Custom boots...on budget, delivered a week early, treated very well.
I also used to make, as well as collect, high end mohair and alpaca Teddy Bears (don't laugh, some people think that pool cues are silly too)...never had an issue concerning the pricing, the delivery times or the way I was treated.
Piece of custom jewelry...on budget, delivered on time, very well treated.
I could likely go on and on.....I am no stranger to commissioning custom work. And none of what happens with regard to high end cues happens in any of the areas I have dealt with....so yeah, I wonder why.
My deal old Daddy told me that when people lose confidence in the power of their argument's facts, they often will resort to personal attacks.
Not saying that's what happening here of course.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin. It's getting more and more difficult to just have open discussions here without it going personal. It's not about right or wrong, as perceptions are all different...just trying to understand what are the motivations.
Thank you again.
None of those materials that you mentioned Lisa, have to be cut and let sleep for a while before further work is performed. Specific ring work takes a bit of time as you most likely know.
That is unless you pick out a Chinese bovine. Young Kow, and wait for it to grow up a little before you get the hide. That takes a few years.
If you want a nice one piece butt, joint collars and butt cap, with plain wood or fiber rings and one shaft, I could probably whip you one up in less than one week.
And that would include a few beer breaks.
Not guaranteed against warpage of course.
That is unless you pick out a Chinese bovine. Young Kow, and wait for it to grow up a little before you get the hide. That takes a few years.
If you want a nice one piece butt, joint collars and butt cap, with plain wood or fiber rings and one shaft, I could probably whip you one up in less than one week.
And that would include a few beer breaks.
Not guaranteed against warpage of course.
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When the train left the station...mr wright was left!!!
Maniac (sorry...couldn't resist)
Oh yeah, that "taking it personal" is what gets folks wanting to fight each other during a discussion about what chalk to use.
One would think we'd all have enough confidence in our own thoughts to allow for the fact that there might be someone out there that doesn't agree with us, but nah.
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But you ARE trying to tell people how to spend their money. The whole point of this thread was to inspire everyone to start spending their money more wisely. Quit rewarding that type of behavior.
But why? if the cue makers in question make a product that people want, why would people avoid them? Delays and price increases, etc., are tolerable to some. In fact, it seems like they're tolerable to PLENTY of people. Cause they wait in line. They wait by the phone. They wait for that call that says "Ok. I'm ready for your cue now." And when that call comes, they're happy! They're thrilled! They pay to play.
A thread like this will ultimately do very little. Even if 1,000 people read it and 5 guys walk away saying "She's right! I'm NEVER gonna be involved with cue makers like that!" 50 will be quick to say "Great! Now tell me what order you're cancelling and I'll give you $100 for that spot!"
But.... It does not take being a big-time cue maker to be ethical, honest, and fair (it actually can be quite the opposite). It just takes an ethical, honest, and fair person.
There's not a single thing it there that compares to the construction, complexity, methods, desirability etc.... of the topic at hand.
So if that was in reference to my post then, then thanks for backing me up.
There's not a single thing it there that compares to the construction, complexity, methods, desirability etc.... of the topic at hand.
So if that was in reference to my post then, then thanks for backing me up.
Then obviously, you haven't a clue. Thanks for backing me up. Nice try, thanks for playing!
Oh...I know people don't agree with me....which is why it always seems to get personal...and from the same ol' same ol' members. Maybe they are the ones that have the issue with wanting people to agree with them!! Of course...the 'gang' mentality runs rampant here.
You just cannot resist yourself, can you?
I did not make it personal....I did not tell anyone how to spend their money. I wanted to know why, and made a statement of FACT...that if you continue to reward poor behavior, there is little incentive for it to change. If you want things to change, quit rewarding poor behavior. Pretty simple, really. It defies normal convention that the more you spend, the crappier you should expect to be treated.
What I did NOT say...but will now, is this: If you knowingly enter into a transaction with a maker that you KNOW there have been issues with....don't come crying here about it when it all goes South. It's not like you didn't have a clue.
But he does have a clue Lisa. He basically said the same thing that I did.
Of the items that you mentioned, once you come up on the waiting list, the maker can
attend to your order and go from start to finish.
A cue maker might take your fore arm, make one small cut and have no choice but to set it aside for several months.
Just maybe it gets personal when you find it so easy to brush people off in this fashion when they have obviously made a valid point.
When you start a thread, not everyone is going to be reading from the same Bible as you. Accept that others can make valid points as well.
How hard is it to say, "Good point, I agree", and still keep yourself in the debate.
Of the items that you mentioned, once you come up on the waiting list, the maker can
attend to your order and go from start to finish.
A cue maker might take your fore arm, make one small cut and have no choice but to set it aside for several months.
Just maybe it gets personal when you find it so easy to brush people off in this fashion when they have obviously made a valid point.
When you start a thread, not everyone is going to be reading from the same Bible as you. Accept that others can make valid points as well.
How hard is it to say, "Good point, I agree", and still keep yourself in the debate.
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The point I am getting is that there is far more work to a cue than any of the items I have listed....which is simply not true. Until you have crafted some of the items listed....you don't know. There can be complexity to items other than pool cues...and to dismiss that because you simply don't know, is wrong.
Doesn't matter if the costs $500 or $5000...the amount of time involved in properly constructing a pool cue is the same. Only inlays begin to take more time...and in the case of elaborate cues, yes, a lot of time....but in simplier basic inlays, not so much.
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The whole industry baffles me.
I'm gonna blow a load of cash on a gussied up tool for playing a game,
a tool which is about as simple and utilitarian as a baseball bat or a salad fork.
I will put down a thousand or so in order to hear some new and interesting excuses
over the course of the next 12-36 months. I can have my texts, emails, facebook posts,
and AZ posts ignored while the cuemaker struggles with illness/divorce/a massive backlog/apathy.
If I'm lucky, at the end of the third year, I will be informed the cuemaker is holding my stick hostage
and I can have it if I pay the quoted price plus a 20% "fυck you" charge.
There will be some crying about shipping cost and the condition it arrives in,
then I will agonize over every inlay with a microscope.
Perhaps if something is a millimeter off I will post on AZ and really stick it to him!
I'm gonna do this so I can hang it on my wall where nobody will ever see it but me.
I guess it's "art"? I mean, I could spend $3,000 on a painting,
but I prefer my artwork to only be an inch wide, and I want half of my artwork to be plain.
The lower half I want to be more or less just another unoriginal arrangement of points,
circles, boxes, and rings. Nothing too wild please. Nothing pictorial. Just basic shapes.
If a fifth grader can't draw it on graph paper, I don't want it.
Also, let's not do any tacky colors like blue, green, purple, yellow, and so on.
Shades of brown for me. A little red and orange because those go nicely with brown.
Throw in some black and white if you want to go butt-wild with artistic creativity.
Actually, scratch that, let's stick to light brown, medium brown, and dark brown.
I want it to be a "Sneaky Pete" because I fancy myself a crafty hustler.
I will have to find a target who has only been playing pool for 15 minutes,
otherwise he will realize it's not a house cue.
Maybe I'll bring it out to the pool hall and carefully hit some balls with it.
Absolutely nobody else will recognize it as special and expensive, in the sea of brown cues.
But on the rare chance someone does make a remark, I will say "yes, this is a [cuemaker's name] cue."
I will try not to feel hurt when they don't recognize the name.
Maybe I could casually drop how much it cost and mention the waiting period.
If they consent to a game, they will be wowed that a C+ player almost ran a rack
thanks to my amazing cue that has the exact weight, taper, buttcap and joint protectors that I prefer.
They will ask "How did you do that??" when I miss a routine inside english three railer that deflected
so hard the cueball flew past my left elbow.
They will beg to hit a ball and then feel puzzled that it feels just like a $150 McDermott.
Then they will miss the Q-Claw while putting it back and it will get a ding
that costs me another $120 and 7 months wait.
When I go home I will hang it next to the 6 other brown cues I already own,
and then hop on AZ and Ebay and see what other cue is for sale.
Maybe I can find one that hits 1.15 tons and will finally make me a B player!
I'm gonna blow a load of cash on a gussied up tool for playing a game,
a tool which is about as simple and utilitarian as a baseball bat or a salad fork.
I will put down a thousand or so in order to hear some new and interesting excuses
over the course of the next 12-36 months. I can have my texts, emails, facebook posts,
and AZ posts ignored while the cuemaker struggles with illness/divorce/a massive backlog/apathy.
If I'm lucky, at the end of the third year, I will be informed the cuemaker is holding my stick hostage
and I can have it if I pay the quoted price plus a 20% "fυck you" charge.
There will be some crying about shipping cost and the condition it arrives in,
then I will agonize over every inlay with a microscope.
Perhaps if something is a millimeter off I will post on AZ and really stick it to him!
I'm gonna do this so I can hang it on my wall where nobody will ever see it but me.
I guess it's "art"? I mean, I could spend $3,000 on a painting,
but I prefer my artwork to only be an inch wide, and I want half of my artwork to be plain.
The lower half I want to be more or less just another unoriginal arrangement of points,
circles, boxes, and rings. Nothing too wild please. Nothing pictorial. Just basic shapes.
If a fifth grader can't draw it on graph paper, I don't want it.
Also, let's not do any tacky colors like blue, green, purple, yellow, and so on.
Shades of brown for me. A little red and orange because those go nicely with brown.
Throw in some black and white if you want to go butt-wild with artistic creativity.
Actually, scratch that, let's stick to light brown, medium brown, and dark brown.
I want it to be a "Sneaky Pete" because I fancy myself a crafty hustler.
I will have to find a target who has only been playing pool for 15 minutes,
otherwise he will realize it's not a house cue.
Maybe I'll bring it out to the pool hall and carefully hit some balls with it.
Absolutely nobody else will recognize it as special and expensive, in the sea of brown cues.
But on the rare chance someone does make a remark, I will say "yes, this is a [cuemaker's name] cue."
I will try not to feel hurt when they don't recognize the name.
Maybe I could casually drop how much it cost and mention the waiting period.
If they consent to a game, they will be wowed that a C+ player almost ran a rack
thanks to my amazing cue that has the exact weight, taper, buttcap and joint protectors that I prefer.
They will ask "How did you do that??" when I miss a routine inside english three railer that deflected
so hard the cueball flew past my left elbow.
They will beg to hit a ball and then feel puzzled that it feels just like a $150 McDermott.
Then they will miss the Q-Claw while putting it back and it will get a ding
that costs me another $120 and 7 months wait.
When I go home I will hang it next to the 6 other brown cues I already own,
and then hop on AZ and Ebay and see what other cue is for sale.
Maybe I can find one that hits 1.15 tons and will finally make me a B player!
