Keith McCready & Darren Appleton on ABR

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Everyone needs to listen to last nights American Billiard Radio (ABR) for two reasons:

1) Keith McCready said he still has wind left in his sails!!! (Is there a comeback)...JAM?

2) Darren Appleton is brilliant discussing the difference between the European Mosconi Cup mentality vs. the US Team.

I highly recommend listening to last nights broadcast!!!

http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/

Wedge
 
Wedge said:
Everyone needs to listen to last nights American Billiard Radio (ABR) for two reasons:

1) Keith McCready said he still has wind left in his sails!!! (Is there a comeback)...JAM?

2) Darren Appleton is brilliant discussing the difference between the European Mosconi Cup mentality vs. the US Team.

I highly recommend listening to last nights broadcast!!!

http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/

Wedge
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I listened and heard that ALSO and the first thing I thought about when I heard him mention 2F9B and he still had play in him was a match between him and CJ Wiley playing that game.

Neither of them have participated much in professional pool playing events recently, but I KNOW that they BOTH KNOW the game and are CAPABLE of playing GREAT if their heart is in it.

It doesn't have to be a big money match for me. I'm content to see them play some sort of demonstration, if nothing else. It may bring some FUN back into the game.

Nobody would support the idea of a match between CJ and Bartram in 2F9B when I mentioned it. What about a match between CJ and Keith? Is that a BETTER match?

I just want to see pool...I don't care who they match up with.
 
Wedge said:
Everyone needs to listen to last nights American Billiard Radio (ABR) for two reasons:

1) Keith McCready said he still has wind left in his sails!!! (Is there a comeback)...JAM?

2) Darren Appleton is brilliant discussing the difference between the European Mosconi Cup mentality vs. the US Team.

I highly recommend listening to last nights broadcast!!!

http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/

Wedge
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I'm thinking that a new twist to the match-ups might be for playuers of Keith's ilk to combat with the rules that make pool a shot-maker's game instead of the the luck 9-ball game that exists today with its rack riggers.

Two-shot/push-out with a neutral racker. In fact, a round robin of players who know these rules like C.J., Keith, Allen Hopkins, Buddy Hall, Mike Sigel, Luc Salvas, Jim Rempe, Reid Pierce, Jim Wetch. I can think of quite a few to bring out of retirement for this one. :)

This would be the Crown Jewel of these rules, becuase these players understand the rules and know how to execute their shots to these rules.

A group of gunslingers would be kind of cool, too: James Weldon, Scotty Townsend, Jimmy Mataya, Cliff Joyner, Charlie Bryant, Jose Parica, just a few known names of those who engaged in action that I can think of at the time of this writing.

The two-shot/push-out would be something that hasn't been done in almost 10 years. It's out there for the making. I'm kind of sure these players would show up for this game if the logistics and money was right. I'm not talking about players putting up their own dough, either. Therein lies the problem of executing something like this, but if done correctly, it could be a money-maker for all involved.
 
JAM said:
I'm thinking that a new twist to the match-ups might be for playuers of Keith's ilk to combat with the rules that make pool a shot-maker's game instead of the the luck 9-ball game that exists today with its rack riggers.

Two-shot/push-out with a neutral racker. In fact, a round robin of players who know these rules like C.J., Keith, Allen Hopkins, Buddy Hall, Mike Sigel, Luc Salvas, Jim Rempe, Reid Pierce, Jim Wetch. I can think of quite a few to bring out of retirement for this one. :)

This would be the Crown Jewel of these rules, becuase these players understand the rules and know how to execute their shots to these rules.

A group of gunslingers would be kind of cool, too: James Weldon, Scotty Townsend, Jimmy Mataya, Cliff Joyner, Charlie Bryant, Jose Parica, just a few known names of those who engaged in action that I can think of at the time of this writing.

The two-shot/push-out would be something that hasn't been done in almost 10 years. It's out there for the making. I'm kind of sure these players would show up for this game if the logistics and money was right. I'm not talking about players putting up their own dough, either. Therein lies the problem of executing something like this, but if done correctly, it could be a money-maker for all involved.
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While I think it would be great, it would be great if all the expenses would be covered.

There isn't any great money makers out there.

I hope this happens soon. I was always hoping Keith and buddy Cole would put something like this on, but that opportunity was lost when Cole passed.

Best of rolls,

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
While I think it would be great, it would be great if all the expenses would be covered.

There isn't any great money makers out there.

I hope this happens soon. I was always hoping Keith and buddy Cole would put something like this on, but that opportunity was lost when Cole passed.

Best of rolls,

Ken
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Keith isn't in the coffin yet, Ken. He's actually younger than his peers, but that's because he started out shooting as a kid, with Cole, Buddy, Lisciotti, Jimmy Reid, as his mentors. :)

The right venue, if it is done professionally, a grouping such as I mentioned would be good pool to watch. The personalities, the stories, the interaction betewen the players, it would sell. There will be none of this emotionless play by today's tournament robots.
 
JAM said:
Keith isn't in the coffin yet, Ken. He's actually younger than his peers, but that's because he started out shooting as a kid, with Cole, Buddy, Lisciotti, Jimmy Reid, as his mentors. :)

The right venue, if it is done professionally, a grouping such as I mentioned would be good pool to watch. The personalities, the stories, the interaction betewen the players, it would sell. There will be none of this emotionless play by today's tournament robots.
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What do you mean by "emotionless play by today's tournament robots"? It's not a bad thing to act like a professional while playing tournaments. I am very thankful that most professionals don't have to drink beer and yell to the crowd after every shot in a pro tournament.
 
ABall said:
What do you mean by "emotionless play by today's tournament robots"? It's not a bad thing to act like a professional while playing tournaments. I am very thankful that most professionals don't have to drink beer and yell to the crowd after every shot in a pro tournament.
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To each their own. I don't care to watch players drink beer and yell at the crowd, either.

I also don't care for players who show no emotion whatsoever.

Again, to each their own.
 
ABall said:
How ironic.....you must not like watching Keith play then.
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Not to put a sour note in everything, you can think what you want. You can have your opinion and the way you think. You're entitled to that.

If you want to start putting down my other half, all I can tell you is this. When Keith McCready plays or played, he'd have 600 people watching him, drinking beer or not drinking beer, and for your so-called professional robots, there'd be 10 people watching them.

I will never forget at the U.S. Open, Efren Reyes was playing Francisco Bustamante on the TV table. They had to stop filming the TV table and move the camera over to Keith and Alex. I wonder why. I wonder if you can figure it out. Maybe the entire conference center knows something that you don't, Mister. I'll answer it for you. Everybody would rather watch Elvis Presley instead of Pat Boone.
 
JAM said:
Not to put a sour note in everything, you can think what you want. You can have your opinion and the way you think. You're entitled to that.

If you want to start putting down my other half, all I can tell you is this. When Keith McCready plays or played, he'd have 600 people watching him, drinking beer or not drinking beer, and for your so-called professional robots, there'd be 10 people watching them.

I will never forget at the U.S. Open, Efren Reyes was playing Francisco Bustamante on the TV table. They had to stop filming the TV table and move the camera over to Keith and Alex. I wonder why. I wonder if you can figure it out. Maybe the entire conference center knows something that you don't, Mister. I'll answer it for you. Everybody would rather watch Elvis Presley instead of Pat Boone.
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Do you think it's right to use "professional robots" and insult the likes of Buddy Hall, Nick Varner, Ralf Souquet, and Efren Reyes???? These guys all never showed much emotion when playing, yet everyone loves watching them play. Hmmm....I wonder if it's because of how they play the actual game rather than their antics.

Oh, and I never put down your other half. I just spoke the truth. You are the one putting people down by using the term "professional robot." How insulting is that??? Think about it.
 
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ABall said:
Do you think it's right to use "professional robots" and insult the likes of Buddy Hall, Nick Varner, Ralf Souquet, and Efren Reyes???? These guys all never showed much emotion when playing, yet everyone loves watching them play. Hmmm....I wonder if it's because of how they play the actual game rather than their antics.
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Well, interesting you should bring that up. Just this morning, I was writing that I'd love to have Buddy and six other players from that era to play two-shot/push-out, as it would be something a little different than the norm.

I never put a name to the emotionless robot(s). I don't have to. Everybody knows who they are.

If I understand your post, you are indicating that Keith is not capable of competing in a professional tournament with acceptable behavior. Every tournament I've been to with him, he behaves just fine. In fact, we get calls throughout the year from pool promoters and tournament directors asking Keith to come compete in their events. They like Keith McCready and everything he brings to a tournament. They want him there, and there's a reason why.

He might not be your cup of tea, and that's fine. :smile:
 
JAM said:
Well, interesting you should bring that up. Just this morning, I was writing that I'd love to have Buddy and six other players from that era to play two-shot/push-out, as it would be something a little different than the norm.

I never put a name to the emotionless robot(s). I don't have to. Everybody knows who they are.

If I understand your post, you are indicating that Keith is not capable of competing in a professional tournament with acceptable behavior. Every tournament I've been to with him, he behaves just fine. In fact, we get calls throughout the year from pool promoters and tournament directors asking Keith to come compete in their events. They like Keith McCready and everything he brings to a tournament. They want him there, and there's a reason why.

He might not be your cup of tea, and that's fine. :smile:
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You don't understand my post. Don't put words in my mouth. You're the one that insulted professional players by calling them robots. Seriously, that is really insulting.
 
ABall said:
You don't understand my post. Don't put words in my mouth. You're the one that insulted professional players by calling them robots. Seriously, that is really insulting.
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You're insulting. I was speaking in generalities. I never said all professional players were emotionless robots. You pinpointed Keith. You're insulting.
 
Chill out.

ABall said:
You don't understand my post. Don't put words in my mouth. You're the one that insulted professional players by calling them robots. Seriously, that is really insulting.
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Dude chill out. IMO Calling them robots is no insult and there is nothing wrong with players who don't show much emotion. It's just there way of play and as a matter of fact it's very difficult to do it. Do you even understand how tough you have to be mentally to block all the stuff out and act like a machine when you are playing ???
Now some players perform better when they can block everything and they don't let anyone bug them.
On the other hand we get players like Keith who embrace the emotions of audience and like to participate in it. Very few people play like that now a days. As a matter of fact I have never seen any one play like that in recent years. It's certainly more entertaning to watch and I really wish there were more players like Keith today that knew how to actually make a game of pool more fun to watch as a audience.
 
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the original meaning of the word "robot" is FORCED LABORER

I'm in......Keith and I would be a great match up..

I will say, Keith is one of the best '2 Shot Shoot Out' players I've ever seen, he has an entire arsenal of weapons to choose from......it would certainly be a challenge indeed.

By the way, the original meaning of the word "robot" is FORCED LABORER .....how ironic. ;)



HawaiianEye said:
I listened and heard that ALSO and the first thing I thought about when I heard him mention 2F9B and he still had play in him was a match between him and CJ Wiley playing that game.

Neither of them have participated much in professional pool playing events recently, but I KNOW that they BOTH KNOW the game and are CAPABLE of playing GREAT if their heart is in it.

It doesn't have to be a big money match for me. I'm content to see them play some sort of demonstration, if nothing else. It may bring some FUN back into the game.

Nobody would support the idea of a match between CJ and Bartram in 2F9B when I mentioned it. What about a match between CJ and Keith? Is that a BETTER match?

I just want to see pool...I don't care who they match up with.
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Not even half way thru and I have to say how much I enjoy this show.

Thanks, Mr.Bond and gang, great stuff.

With this show and the TAR podcast, we have a lot of great programming this week.
 
I think pool needs better color commentary more than a change in player behavior. Any sport has people that are boring to watch, people fun to watch, and people that are controversial...color commentary about the game, culture of the sport, and the players makes it more interesting to general public viewers as well as enthusiasts. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to improve the color commentary aspect.
 
fireball said:
I think pool needs better color commentary more than a change in player behavior. Any sport has people that are boring to watch, people fun to watch, and people that are controversial...color commentary about the game, culture of the sport, and the players makes it more interesting to general public viewers as well as enthusiasts. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to improve the color commentary aspect.
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that has EARL written all over it -
 
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