It's NOT a rematch
It's NOT a rematch between Buddy and Mike, that's for sure. LoL :smash:
It's NOT a rematch between Buddy and Mike, that's for sure. LoL :smash:
Challenge of Champions dump
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Even if I never even heard of the Dump and seen the video, missing the
8 could of been a slight miscue and even believable if that was said but wasn't.
Missing the 8-9 combo was so crap and blatant, he made sure that 9 didn't
go anywhere near the pocket.
Defending Buddy cause he's a friend or a pool hero to some shows true
love for the guy, but it also shows disregard to the others that lost
there money and truly love not just the players but the game itself.
8 could of been a slight miscue and even believable if that was said but wasn't.
Missing the 8-9 combo was so crap and blatant, he made sure that 9 didn't
go anywhere near the pocket.
Defending Buddy cause he's a friend or a pool hero to some shows true
love for the guy, but it also shows disregard to the others that lost
there money and truly love not just the players but the game itself.
Don't really have an opinion on the dump, but if it were such, why wouldn't Buddy just hit the seven ball a touch fat? Why would he go to the trouble of trying to hit a perfect shot to both make the 7-ball and scratch in the side? Seems like a high risk way to go about it when all he had to do was hit the seven fat, draw the cue all to the rail, and leave Mike an easy layout.
Don't interject a real player's analysis here. Obviously Buddy was trying the super low percentage scratch instead of leaving himself a really tough combination to dog.
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pool poker and pain.
Bring it! I relish the counter suit, but it ain't gonna happen. I may lose a few brownie points is all.
I didn't know anything for sure until it was over, but there were already rumors of bets being made on Lebron prior to the event starting. I had my suspicions and then the last match kind of made it conclusive for me. But the real evidence was yet to come. After I heard the whole story I knew for certain what had transpired. Maybe these guys are mad at me for snitching on them but I wasn't the only one who knew. Ask Allen Hopkins? He knows but is too diplomatic to speak publicly.
Like I said it really makes no difference now and I'm not without sin myself. But this was different, pool on national TV with serious money on the line. Very poor judgement to do business in that spot. They all should have known better and only one player did.
Thats to bad. That would be fun. We could make it booze pool, every time someone tanks a shot they have to pound a margarita. A race to 3 would be sufficient
..... or bumper pool....
Why is it such a big deal in your eyes?
just shows how stupid the pro players are. they already had the 50,000 split up. so to get 20 to 1 instead of say 6 to one on a great player who could take it off and wouldnt be suspect winning, they get greedy and put the worst player up to win.
after they see he is dogging it they just need to beat him and forget about the side bet. but they are so stupid and greedy they have to make themselves look like thieves for it all.
after they see he is dogging it they just need to beat him and forget about the side bet. but they are so stupid and greedy they have to make themselves look like thieves for it all.
Mike Lebron wins the US OPEN at 54 Years Old...the oldest in history at this time
Mike Lebron was not the underdog in this tournament, not by a "long shot" - to make him 20/1 against the field in races to 7 is ludicrous......he played as well as any player in the tournament, and if there's any finger pointing it should be towards whom ever made that line......and they had the line at 20/1 for weeks? This is very, very, very difficult to believe. He won major titles in finals against the likes of Earl Strickland, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer and Buddy Hall.
For those of you that may not know who "Spanish Mike" is and his credentials, check this out.....remember, he's the one that was with Efren every day for many years touring around America and translating.
Mike Lebrón
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Mike Lebron)
Miguel Benjamin Lebrón-Laboy (born March 31, 1934, Yabucoa, Puerto Rico), best known as Mike Lebrón (sometimes rendered Mike Lebron in the media) is a Puerto Rican professional pool player nicknamed "Spanish Mike".[1]
Lebrón currently lives in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and actively competes at various pocket billiard events.
Contents [hide]
1 Professional career
2 Titles and achievements
3 References
4 External links
Professional career[edit]
Lebrón is the winner of the thirteenth edition of the US Open Nine-ball Championship.[2] Lebrón won the title against Nick Varner in 1988 and is the only Puerto Rican-born professional pool player to win the prestigious title. He is also the oldest pool player to have ever won the US Open Nine-Ball Championship for men at the age of 54 or older.
On February 19, 2006, in his hometown of Yabucoa, Puerto Rico, Lebrón was inducted into the Yabucoa Sports Hall of Fame Pavilion (Pabellón de la Fama del Deporte Yabucoeño). The induction ceremonies took place on June 11, 2006.[3]
Lebrón is a member of the International Pool Tour.[4]
Titles and achievements[edit]
1992 – Glass City Open Champion - Finals against Earl Strickland
1991 – International Challenge of Champions
1990 – Glass City Open Champion - Finals against Johnny Archer
1988 – US Open Nine-ball Championship against Nick Varner
1988 – Pool Hall Open
1986 – Sun Coast Open
References[edit]
Jump up ^ "Player Profile", AzBilliards.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ USOpen9ballChampsionships.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ FedBillarpr.bravehost.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ Player Bio, InternationalPoolTour.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Mike Lebron was not the underdog in this tournament, not by a "long shot" - to make him 20/1 against the field in races to 7 is ludicrous......he played as well as any player in the tournament, and if there's any finger pointing it should be towards whom ever made that line......and they had the line at 20/1 for weeks? This is very, very, very difficult to believe. He won major titles in finals against the likes of Earl Strickland, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer and Buddy Hall.
For those of you that may not know who "Spanish Mike" is and his credentials, check this out.....remember, he's the one that was with Efren every day for many years touring around America and translating.
Mike Lebrón
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Mike Lebron)
Miguel Benjamin Lebrón-Laboy (born March 31, 1934, Yabucoa, Puerto Rico), best known as Mike Lebrón (sometimes rendered Mike Lebron in the media) is a Puerto Rican professional pool player nicknamed "Spanish Mike".[1]
Lebrón currently lives in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and actively competes at various pocket billiard events.
Contents [hide]
1 Professional career
2 Titles and achievements
3 References
4 External links
Professional career[edit]
Lebrón is the winner of the thirteenth edition of the US Open Nine-ball Championship.[2] Lebrón won the title against Nick Varner in 1988 and is the only Puerto Rican-born professional pool player to win the prestigious title. He is also the oldest pool player to have ever won the US Open Nine-Ball Championship for men at the age of 54 or older.
On February 19, 2006, in his hometown of Yabucoa, Puerto Rico, Lebrón was inducted into the Yabucoa Sports Hall of Fame Pavilion (Pabellón de la Fama del Deporte Yabucoeño). The induction ceremonies took place on June 11, 2006.[3]
Lebrón is a member of the International Pool Tour.[4]
Titles and achievements[edit]
1992 – Glass City Open Champion - Finals against Earl Strickland
1991 – International Challenge of Champions
1990 – Glass City Open Champion - Finals against Johnny Archer
1988 – US Open Nine-ball Championship against Nick Varner
1988 – Pool Hall Open
1986 – Sun Coast Open
References[edit]
Jump up ^ "Player Profile", AzBilliards.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ USOpen9ballChampsionships.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ FedBillarpr.bravehost.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
Jump up ^ Player Bio, InternationalPoolTour.com. Retrieved 23 October 2007
CJ, you have a idea of what happened? What's your opinion?
Its seems for some reason, that players who are well known to dump, are also the worse actors while doing it. I know of a couple that backs this claim up, as they would wake up the dead while dumping. You would think after the first 100, they would have it down pat , instead they get worse!
I have never heard that buddy nick mike Sigel David Howard jim rempe or Mike LeBron are known to dump.
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The 'Challenge of Champions' went on to become the longest running ESPN Event
There was a history between Earl and Mike Lebron....I like both of them, but this feud wasn't "fun and games," it was serious....almost deadly serious - I'll leave it at that.
We never understood the 20/1 odds and why they ("Vegas"} would keep this ludicrous line up on the board.....especially for more than a day or two. This seemed very odd, and if you know how Vegas operates, they seldom make such a lopsided line and keep it....they usually change it asap.
I attended several meetings with the PBTA about this issue, and was outspoken about allowing these "winner take all" tournaments.....I didn't believe they were fair to the players and encouraged "savers".....how can you ask a player to go through such a field, get to the finals and get paid $0 for finishing 2nd? I still believe that's seriously flawed and will systematically cause problems that should be avoided at all costs.
After being right in the middle of this issue politically I still can't be sure what happened, all I know is there's more to this that I choose to keep to myself. The amount of money that was supposedly won has been exaggerated, and other "facts" have been changed over the years. There was never any suggestion of an investigation over the 'Challenge of Champions' so everyone was cleared of any "wrong doing". People can argue this point all they want and it's like the OJ Simpson case, "did he do it, or didn't he do it" - either way, it's old news and has no baring on the future of pool.
This event certainly wasn't a positive event for professional pool, and on the same note, wasn't negative either. The 'Challenge of Champions' went on to become the longest running ESPN Event and paid out close to a million dollars over the years. Buddy went on to win the US OPEN and I think he may have even been close to the same age as Mike Lebron when he won in 98.
The next few years in Pro Pool were instrumental and if a few things had been different we may have broken through......our PCA tour did some incredible things, but was cut short by Earl's 11 rack run in Dallas Texas....of course that's another story.
'The Game is the Teacher'
There was a history between Earl and Mike Lebron....I like both of them, but this feud wasn't "fun and games," it was serious....almost deadly serious - I'll leave it at that.
We never understood the 20/1 odds and why they ("Vegas"} would keep this ludicrous line up on the board.....especially for more than a day or two. This seemed very odd, and if you know how Vegas operates, they seldom make such a lopsided line and keep it....they usually change it asap.
I attended several meetings with the PBTA about this issue, and was outspoken about allowing these "winner take all" tournaments.....I didn't believe they were fair to the players and encouraged "savers".....how can you ask a player to go through such a field, get to the finals and get paid $0 for finishing 2nd? I still believe that's seriously flawed and will systematically cause problems that should be avoided at all costs.
After being right in the middle of this issue politically I still can't be sure what happened, all I know is there's more to this that I choose to keep to myself. The amount of money that was supposedly won has been exaggerated, and other "facts" have been changed over the years. There was never any suggestion of an investigation over the 'Challenge of Champions' so everyone was cleared of any "wrong doing". People can argue this point all they want and it's like the OJ Simpson case, "did he do it, or didn't he do it" - either way, it's old news and has no baring on the future of pool.
This event certainly wasn't a positive event for professional pool, and on the same note, wasn't negative either. The 'Challenge of Champions' went on to become the longest running ESPN Event and paid out close to a million dollars over the years. Buddy went on to win the US OPEN and I think he may have even been close to the same age as Mike Lebron when he won in 98.
The next few years in Pro Pool were instrumental and if a few things had been different we may have broken through......our PCA tour did some incredible things, but was cut short by Earl's 11 rack run in Dallas Texas....of course that's another story.
'The Game is the Teacher'
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no what he is really saying he is defending all the players as he doesnt want things like that known about players or pool.
as far as vegas lines and what they do he has no idea and is just giving an uninformed opinion.
mike was dogging it badly. no one said he wasnt a good player and didnt belong there. he wasnt one of the top in the field though.
as far as vegas lines and what they do he has no idea and is just giving an uninformed opinion.
mike was dogging it badly. no one said he wasnt a good player and didnt belong there. he wasnt one of the top in the field though.
"Buddy sure played bad didn't he?" is all that would have been said.
If "Vegas" hadn't made such a ludicrous line we would not be talking about this in any way, shape or form.
That's what I'm saying and it's absolutely correct.....Buddy could have missed every shot and no one would have ever said anything other than "Buddy sure played bad didn't he?"
It's the alleged (inside info) betting that got all this attention, not the tournament itself.
Why would Vegas put a line up on a third tier sport and leave it up for more than a day or two? This virtually never happens, the line always moves one way or another as soon as any bets are made (either way).
So, now you're saying that Vegas was in on the dump?
If "Vegas" hadn't made such a ludicrous line we would not be talking about this in any way, shape or form.
That's what I'm saying and it's absolutely correct.....Buddy could have missed every shot and no one would have ever said anything other than "Buddy sure played bad didn't he?"
It's the alleged (inside info) betting that got all this attention, not the tournament itself.
Why would Vegas put a line up on a third tier sport and leave it up for more than a day or two? This virtually never happens, the line always moves one way or another as soon as any bets are made (either way).