Guns and Cues, Show us your Piece

SpiderWebComm said:
It says "Use a gun during a CRIME." No trick being played and having a gun legally doesn't make a law abiding citizen turn into Dirty Harry anymore than putting a bible in the hands of a gang-banger turns them into Jim Bakker.

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That is the trick, it takes almost nothing to elevate anything to a crime. My nephew had a fight with his girl friend. She locked him out her apartment. He broke the door and went in. At no point did he ever threaten her. She called the police and when they arrived what seemed like a nothing happening took on a life of it's own. 1. he broke her door, that was breaking and entering.

No big deal right, wrong. 2. Then when they had him empty his pockets he had a pocket knife. Now it was breaking and entering an occupied dwelling with a weapon, first degree felony. Around $50,000 later my sister in law had him finally out of jail and home.

You are thinking that you have to be robbing a store to commit a crime, not so. What ever you get charged with is a crime. Just flash the gun, crime, say "Don'y fuc% with me I have a gun, crime". You feel threatened and pull out the gun, crime, point it at someone, big crime, fire even a warning shot, "REALLY" big crime.

Every one of these will have you in jail spending thousands trying to get yourself out of the mess. In many cases with the Florida mandatory minimum sentencing laws you can't get out of it even if the judge is on your side, his hands are tied. You are like this lady a case that is still going on. If she had just shot and killed him she would not have served a day.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...ears-for-woman-who-fired-warning-shot/2168247

Years ago it was nothing, the worst that would happen you would lose your gun you had paid a few hundred for. Today, you are risking jail at every turn as well as tens of thousands in legal fees when a gun is involved.
 
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That is the trick, it takes almost nothing to elevate anything to a crime. My nephew had a fight with his girl friend. She locked him out her apartment. He broke the door and went in. At no point did he ever threaten her. She called the police and when they arrived what seemed like a nothing happening took on a life of it's own. 1. he broke her door, that was breaking and entering.

No big deal right, wrong. 2. Then when they had him empty his pockets he had a pocket knife. Now it was breaking and entering an occupied dwelling with a weapon, first degree felony. Around $50,000 later my sister in law had him finally out of jail and home.

You are thinking that you have to be robbing a store to commit a crime, not so. What ever you get charged with is a crime. Just flash the gun, crime, say "Don'y fuc% with me I have a gun, crime". You feel threatened and pull out the gun, crime, point it at someone, big crime, fire even a warning shot, "REALLY" big crime.

Every one of these will have you in jail spending thousands trying to get yourself out of the mess. In many cases with the Florida mandatory minimum sentencing laws you can't get out of it even if the judge is on your side, his hands are tied. You are like this lady a case that is still going on. If she had just shot and killed him she would not have served a day.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...ears-for-woman-who-fired-warning-shot/2168247

Years ago it was nothing, the worst that would happen you would lose your gun you had paid a few hundred for. Today, you are risking jail at every turn as well as tens of thousands in legal fees when a gun is involved.
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So that dude kicked the door in and for that he's a criminal. Normal people wouldn't (non-criminals). Normal people who have a gun don't kick in door just because they have a gun. As a gun owner, FL gun/crime law wouldn't affect me one bit. It's only a trap for would-be criminals.


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This isn't mine, but I would love to have one. Flippin' Out Slingshots, Bill Hayes, Joerg Sprave... these guys make some cool-ass slingshots! Really neat and evolving market.

Not really a firearm, but close!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
So that dude kicked the door in and for that he's a criminal. Normal people wouldn't (non-criminals). Normal people who have a gun don't kick in door just because they have a gun. As a gun owner, FL gun/crime law wouldn't affect me one bit. It's only a trap for would-be criminals.


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You are grasping at straws. He pushed on the door and it opened. This is Florida it was a light aluminum screen door. Give it a good push and it will open. Later she even tried to recant what happened but it was too late. That is why I used the "Life of it's own" comment. He ultimately did not go to prison but the escalated charges could have put him there for like 15 to 25 years.

In answer to your last comment, you are probably correct and you are not the one I would be talking to. I am talking about the idiot who gets a permit and sticks a gun in his pocket and starts walking around living out a fantasy. All you have to do is go on any number of gun forums and see what these guys talk about.

They talk about their main carry and their back up's that they carry. The extra ammo they have on them at all times. These are not people who are carrying a gun because they think they need the protection, they are fantasizing. At some point they may possibly do something for real.

They didn't leave the house intending on becoming a criminal till that car pulls up next to them and the music is too loud. Without the gun they would keep their mouths shut. The gun changes them and their life and the lives of everyone around them is never again the same.

I am sure you are no one of them, but they are out there, just read any gun forum and it can be chilling. There is some really fu$%ing nuts out there walking around and now they can legally carry a gun.
 
macguy said:
Florida has some of the most gun owner friendly laws as far as ownership goes. But when it come to using the gun some of the toughest gun laws in the country with mandatory sentencing. In other words, it is easy to own a gun in Florida and just as easy to find yourself in prison for under the The 10-20-Life law. If you don't already you need to get this book if you are going to own and carry in Florida.
http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/

Regarding that million CCW's permits floating around Florida. I have a friend who gives the classes and most are just people who get it on a lark. A bunch of girl friends will show up or a husband and wife and so on. Many have never owned a gun and will probably even after getting the permit will ever buy one. Of the actual gun owners only a fraction of 1% will actually walk around with a gun on them. In Florida getting those permits is kind of a fad, people do it because they can and it is promoted by places like Bass Pro shops and people who make a buck giving the classes. The media would like you to believe there are a million people in Florida walking around with guns but nothing could be farther from the truth.

I know you may make a comment like "Better be tried by 12 then carried by 6". But ask the girl who fired a warning shot into a wall who got 20 years. Her case is being review right now and she may get a new trial but I think she will now be facing 60 years if she is found guilty. Lot of risk carrying a gun, you could lose everything you have trying to get yourself out of trouble you got into. I am just saying, you know what I mean, be careful.

Now having said all that, I am watching a movie right now called "Insidious". At one point in the movie the father is going through the house as he hears sounds. It is dark and scary and he arms himself with a fireplace poker as he goes from room to room. I am yelling at the TV, "Why Don't You Have an F'n Gun"?

I mention this movie mainly because it is on right now, but also you don't have to have much of an imagination to see how frightening it could be to find yourself in that kind of situation. Now in the movie a gun would not help much as the thing is some kind of evil spirit but I honestly could not sleep if I didn't have my guns in the house. I could not imagine a man not having the ability to protect himself and his family. Not a debate just a comment.

I am going to elaborate a little just so people don't think I am totally a nut. I have a big old house with 14 rooms, quite a few more if I count everything beyond the main structure and lots of windows everywhere. It was built in the 1920's. It's a dump that should have been torn down 50 years ago but it has been in the family and now I have it. I would say it is easy to break into.

I may be a little paranoid, call me what you want, but when I am in bed you can't get to me. I have inside dead-bolt locks on doors that lead to other parts of the house. In other words, if you get into my house anywhere other then through my actual bedroom windows, you would have to begin breaking down doors to get to my bedroom. Meantime I am in there pretty well armed.

So to anyone reading this, just use a little of your imagination and before you go to sleep tonight think about what you would do if you were woken up and realized,
"There is someone in the house".
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If your inability to parse the simple concept of the unencumbered freedom our 2nd amendment provides, while advocating the dire need for involvement in all elections. Then my involvement in Gun advocacy & True the Vote has fallen upon the daft ears that unwarranted paranoia provides. For that you have my condolences.

Might I suggest the due diligence of research starting with the worlds foremost authority on gun statistics Dr John Lott who's testifying before Congress has led the way in securing our 2nd Amendment rights. There you'll find such statistics as, Florida has the most CCW permits issued. ( it passed the 1 millionth permit the 3 week of Dec. 2012) now one in every 17 people in Fl have a CCW. That's fast pressing in on 5% of Fl total population.
I'm sure your friend is a nice guy, but I'll stick with the professionals results as it's their life's work & has certified undisputed statistics.
As far as my familiarity with firearms, I purchased my first weapon 53 years ago. Ive been working with Gov. agency's as a lobbyist the last 26 years. With the prevailing anti-gun sediment fueled by disinformation it's imperative that protection of the 2nd Amendment is paramount. That requires more that lip service. Education coupled with verifiable action is demanded by all who enjoy the benefits the 2nd Amendment provides.
It is true the number if people that carry will never be known as many do not register for a multitude of reasons. (i.e. distrust of Gov. etc.) there still needs a base line to start with. Those are easy statistics to discern from CCW records. When you add the unregistered be it 10% or 30% or whatever to the over 1 million on record it relates to a lot of people carrying firearms.
 
Allen Brown said:
That is very nice. I didn't know people made custom slingshots anymore.
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Look up some of those guys I mentioned, there are some beautiful designs out there. Also, Jack Koehler has written about both pool physics and slingshots in depth. How's that for tying pool into this thread!
 
windKnott said:
If your inability to parse the simple concept of the unencumbered freedom our 2nd amendment provides, while advocating the dire need for involvement in all elections. Then my involvement in Gun advocacy & True the Vote has fallen upon the daft ears that unwarranted paranoia provides. For that you have my condolences.

Might I suggest the due diligence of research starting with the worlds foremost authority on gun statistics Dr John Lott who's testifying before Congress has led the way in securing our 2nd Amendment rights. There you'll find such statistics as, Florida has the most CCW permits issued. ( it passed the 1 millionth permit the 3 week of Dec. 2012) now one in every 17 people in Fl have a CCW. That's fast pressing in on 5% of Fl total population.
I'm sure your friend is a nice guy, but I'll stick with the professionals results as it's their life's work & has certified undisputed statistics.
As far as my familiarity with firearms, I purchased my first weapon 53 years ago. Ive been working with Gov. agency's as a lobbyist the last 26 years. With the prevailing anti-gun sediment fueled by disinformation it's imperative that protection of the 2nd Amendment is paramount. That requires more that lip service. Education coupled with verifiable action is demanded by all who enjoy the benefits the 2nd Amendment provides.
It is true the number if people that carry will never be known as many do not register for a multitude of reasons. (i.e. distrust of Gov. etc.) there still needs a base line to start with. Those are easy statistics to discern from CCW records. When you add the unregistered be it 10% or 30% or whatever to the over 1 million on record it relates to a lot of people carrying firearms.
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I have read this three times now and little of it makes any sense. I am sure you are a better advocate in person then when you have to type it. Out of curiosity, where do you think I stand on the subject?
 
macguy said:
I have read this three times now and little of it makes any sense. I am sure you are a better advocate in person then when you have to type it. Out of curiosity, where do you think I stand on the subject?
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I think he's agreeing to disagree on something you agree about...
 
macguy said:
I have read this three times now and little of it makes any sense. I am sure you are a better advocate in person then when you have to type it. Out of curiosity, where do you think I stand on the subject?
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I don't know but I'm not really sure I want him to have a gun.
 
windKnott said:
Trigger is Wilson, Holster is appendix carry custom by Garrity Gun Leather. The EOTec is NV adaptable ( still haven't decided which unit to purchase ) Attached photo is of my reloading barn ( also building custom Fishing Rods & Fly Tying ) I can load over 750 rounds an hour. Additional photos in my profile.
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That's sweet :eek:
 
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Cue is kind of low end, just started playing a lot the past couple months. $180 Viking Black Ice 1.

The guns and knives I sort of rotate depending on what I'm wearing: The stiletto(silver blade) is a Cold Steel Ti-Lite and the black blade is a Cold Steel Recon 1. The derringer is a Cobra or Cimarron, .22 magnum loaded with critical defense hollow points. The handgun is a Springfield XD 3'' subcompact 9mm loaded with critical defense hollow points. I've got a lot of nicer guns but these are the ones that actually get carried on a daily basis.

My buddies are all big into guns as well and make fun of me for the derringer sometimes, I've yet to see any of them volunteer to take a 22 magnum round to the foot. lol Anyways, there's my stuff--happy pooling.
 
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syphinhex said:
The guns and knives I sort of rotate depending on what I'm wearing: The stiletto(silver blade) is a Cold Steel Ti-Lite and the black blade is a Cold Steel Recon 1.
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My everyday carry knife is also the Cold Steel Recon. I love that knife...and if I lose it, I'm not out an arm-and-a-leg!!! I've yet to lose one, but somehow...my son always ends up with my favorite knives (he's got two of 'em :o).

Maniac
 
Maniac said:
My everyday carry knife is also the Cold Steel Recon. I love that knife...and if I lose it, I'm not out an arm-and-a-leg!!! I've yet to lose one, but somehow...my son always ends up with my favorite knives (he's got two of 'em :o).

Maniac
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Yea that's what I love about Cold Steel. Their items have the same specs as Spyderco, etc. but you can get Cold Steel off Amazon for 30-60% what they cost in stores. haha
 
My Dad carried this for almost 30 years.

S&W Model 64-1, which was a limited production run of 750 revolvers for the Oklahoma Highway Patrol in 1972. The revolver is a Model 64 chambered and marked as a .357 mag. The following year, S&W brought out the new Model 65.

Scott
 

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ScottR said:
My Dad carried this for almost 30 years.

S&W Model 64-1, which was a limited production run of 750 revolvers for the Oklahoma Highway Patrol in 1972. The revolver is a Model 64 chambered and marked as a .357 mag. The following year, S&W brought out the new Model 65.

Scott
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I've actually been thinking from switching from a handgun to a revolver, for the sheer fact that I like how wheel guns look. That's one magnificent firearm.
 
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