Dragon Pool Coaching Coming to Your Town June /July

[Blue Hog ridr]

Now you just contradicted yourself. You can't have it both ways. You insinuate that you aren't a great player because that isn't your skill set (even though you believe that you have a fantastic coach--you).

Sorry, I didn't read where Scott insinuated anything of the nature.

Teaching and coaching would be 2 different skill sets. Some can play, some can coach, some can do both well.

Evident by a couple of DVDs that I have watched, some are better off playing and staying away from the video camera.

The only thing that I read from your post is that you twisted Scott's words to suit your post.

Nothing contradictory at all from the post that Scott wrote. Scott made a claim in which I am sure that he can back up.

Otherwise, why say it.

If you think that he said he could take Shanelle in a better direction than what CW did, I believe thats entirely possible. For some strange reason
and it might be only for the fact that at one time, I didn't like turnips until I actually tasted them, I wouldn't put a ton of stock in CWs teaching as opposed to Scott's.

Maybe I am just a bit biased. Its also possible that CW was more interested in looking at Shanelle's bum than her stroke.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Sorry, I didn't read where Scott insinuated anything of the nature.

Teaching and coaching would be 2 different skill sets. Some can play, some can coach, some can do both well.

Evident by a couple of DVDs that I have watched, some are better off playing and staying away from the video camera.

The only thing that I read from your post is that you twisted Scott's words to suit your post.

Nothing contradictory at all from the post that Scott wrote. Scott made a claim in which I am sure that he can back up.

Otherwise, why say it.

It seemed to me that Scott was trying to say he isn't a great player because his skill set is for coaching, not playing. But even if that wasn't the excuse he was using, my post remains true. To put what I said another way, why isn't Scott competitive on the open tournament trail? And whatever those reasons are, why is it not possible that those same reasons could also apply to Shanelle? Why does he automatically proclaim her problem is poor coaching when there could be several other good reasons which are more likely for her failure to be competitive? The answer is that he was just looking for an opportunity to knock one of his competitors and to try to build himself up and didn't care about truth in the process.

 

[leto1776]

2 weeks ago, Scott stayed with Pinky and I for 3 days. As captain of my UPA team, I chose to sit out (I would have exceeded the max allowable) and have him play in my place. Pink wanted to put a wig and makeup on him and insert him ranked as a 2. Seriousy

I pulled Scott to the side and discussed. He and I insisted he would play as a 10 (the Rocket is a 9 in UPA). So his match comes up, he's playing a 4. Scott has to go to a million, and the 4 has to go to 2 in 8B.

After the 1st shot by the 4, Scott starts graciously giving him some valuable tips. Scott got to his million. Shut out. The 4 walked out a better player with a huge grin. The packed pool hall was enthralled with all he did that night to help many (for free).

Yes, Scott expresses some strong opinions. He spends 40 weeks/yr on the road. And with his 4 decades of rubbing all pool elbows, combined with us spending every waking hour with him for 3+ days straight, he's got my attention.

Yes Satori, he can play a little, even though he plays little. He could give Shanelle (no disrespect to her) the 3 out. I'd empty out on the rail. Ask Randyg...

Good coach/instructor or not, it's a dick move to go into another instructor's thread and trash their coaching. It's no longer allowed in the case review forum, shouldn't be allowed here, either.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

It seemed to me that Scott was trying to say he isn't a great player because his skill set is for coaching, not playing. But even if that wasn't the excuse he was using, my post remains true. To put what I said another way, why isn't Scott competitive on the open tournament trail? And whatever those reasons are, why is it not possible that those same reasons could also apply to Shanelle? Why does he automatically proclaim her problem is poor coaching when there could be several other good reasons which are more likely for her failure to be competitive? The answer is that he was just looking for an opportunity to knock one of his competitors and to try to build himself up and didn't care about truth in the process.

Or maybe he is more informed PP9. We all get to be judge and hurry on AZ.

 

[Johnnyt]

Is CW's buddy Rodney going to be one of the coaches? Johnnyt

 

[Poolplaya9]

Or maybe he is more informed PP9. We all get to be judge and hurry on AZ.

Give me a break. He was looking for an opportunity to bash a competitor. Nothing more, nothing less. Not only was his premise inaccurate, ridiculous and stupid (because some of Scott's students can't make more than 3 balls either) but it was classless for him to do it in his competitors thread to begin with. For those reasons I spoke up.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Pool lessons from Charlie would be cool, and I don't know what to think about Mr. Lee, but Shanelle, now THAT is someone I would like to spend my time with "working on my game!"

 

[PINKLADY]

Good coach/instructor or not, it's a dick move to go into another instructor's thread and trash their coaching. It's no longer allowed in the case review forum, shouldn't be allowed here, either.

no, that's MY place -

is Charlie Williams PBIA certified, like Scott Lee & Randy G?

- he's not welcomed back here. i've already spread the Word.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I'd have to bet on Shanelle there.

You'd be losing money. Scott's not a great player (no offense, Scott), but Shanelle is absolutely horrible (no offense, Shanelle).

The only reason she's classified as a pro is because of her looks. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just the way it is with a lot of women players. Sex sells.

Hell, even Duckie could give her a big spot and beat her.

 

[Colormegone2002]

Good coach/instructor or not, it's a dick move to go into another instructor's thread and trash their coaching. It's no longer allowed in the case review forum, shouldn't be allowed here, either.

I agree with you ! Green comin to ya

 

[RobertaAgnor]

no, that's MY place -

is Charlie Williams PBIA certified, like Scott Lee & Randy G?

- he's not welcomed back here. i've already spread the Word.

That may be true but the man still makes a valid point, I'm sure Scott wouldn't appreciate Charlie or any other instructor coming into a thread he started talking trash about him.

 

[Johnnyt]

CW=Rodney's friend=here comes Roberta to the rescue. Johnnyt

 

[RobertaAgnor]

CW=Rodney's friend=here comes Roberta to the rescue. Johnnyt

For the record I'm friends with Charlie too but friendship has nothing to do with what I said. I don't know Scott but if someone had done that in his thread I would say the same thing.

 

[TimKrazyMon]

Give me a break. He was looking for an opportunity to bash a competitor. Nothing more, nothing less. Not only was his premise inaccurate, ridiculous and stupid (because some of Scott's students can't make more than 3 balls either) but it was classless for him to do it in his competitors thread to begin with. For those reasons I spoke up.

If you are seriously sticking up for CW, please turn in your badge, sir.

 

[leto1776]

no, that's MY place -.

Wow, you certainly love talking about how important you think you are.

 

[u12armresl]

Hey, Hey now, its called surreptitious entry, not slip into a room. Geesh. ROFL

How can we sell a class if it doesn't have some hi tech name?

Also, was there a double entente with your balls being better? Is that before or after the hotel entry?

I hear there's a bonus class being offered for a small nominal fee teaching you how to slip into an unsuspecting females hotel room. Of course, to give more lessons obviously!:wink:

 

[PINKLADY]

That may be true but the man still makes a valid point, I'm sure Scott wouldn't appreciate Charlie or any other instructor coming into a thread he started talking trash about him.

i agree, Roberta. albeit, i took Scott's post with a sense of humor, cause CW's slipping through here was a running joke. (no pun intended.)

it is however, everybody else's right to post. no one knew who he was when he was in town. now they know. we women look out for each other. and our men take care of us.

 

[spartan]

Here's the real rip...LOL If CW is such a great "coach to the pros" how come Shanelle Lorrain still can't make three balls? :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Tsk tsk tsk
that is shocking amateurish comment to say slamming your competitor
I am not fan of CW, in fact I think he is overrated player and real slow coach (pardon the pun) and I switch streams/TV when he plays. I just hope he is not a slow coach when he coach
Now you see the difference - I am not a coach and have not vested interest so I can critique him
But you are his competitor. It is Public Relations 101, you do not slam your competitor in public. Such a faux pas will create backlash and will not look good to potential students and degrade your brand instead.

 

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[Scott Lee]

Poolplaya9...Well, let's talk reality. First I never said I couldn't play...and in fact I can play (see Willie Jopling's dvds for a break and run in 1-Pocket, back to back by both of us). I have always said I'm no champion player (neither are 99.9% of the rest of us here, or anywhere)...but I never said I couldn't play. That's left up to some of numskulls who like to post here negatively about me. According to my peers and my students I am a very competent instructor. That's something that I'm proud of, and proud to be associated with others considered to be tops in the field of billiard instruction.

CW is not a competitor. He is a pro player (obviously a good one) who does a small bit of teaching on the side. I teach full time coast to coast, and have been doing it successfully for decades. Many of my students have won state and national titles (2 of them recently finished in the top two in national events in Vegas). I have nothing to prove to anyone, and nearly every person who took lessons from me was ecstatic about the experience. Dozens of them have posted here about it. I take pride in that too.

I stand by what I said about Shanelle. If I had a month to work with her, I'd be willing to bet that she would be light years better than she is now. While it's true that some people just don't take disciplined practice seriously, and therefore fail to achieve the highest level of results possible, imo Shanelle is not in that catagory.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I agree completely.


Now you just contradicted yourself. You can't have it both ways. You insinuate that you aren't a great player because that isn't your skill set (even though you believe that you have a fantastic coach--you). But yet you don't feel the same can be true for anyone else. In Shanelle's case it has to be because of poor coaching and can't possibly be because she just lacks the skill set like you do. I hope you see how contradictory that is. You aren't the only one that is seriously hindered by their talent, nor are you the only one that lacks the ambition to put in the amount of practice it takes to fully realize whatever potential that you do have.

I have news for you. Shanelle could indeed just lack the talent (or that skill set as you put it) and/or the desire to put in the necessary effort. It is also possible that she has a great skill set for coaching even though she lacks in the skill set for playing. We don't know yet on that one because she hasn't done any coaching that I know of.

I get it though. To get people enthusiastic about taking lessons, which is your livelihood, you have to feed into the illusion and attempt to make everyone believe they have the talent to be a great player (or else they probably wouldn't want to bother with any lessons). It simply isn't true though. Even though you won't admit that it could possibly apply to anyone else besides just you, some people just don't have the motivation or the skill set to be very good.