takeitdown
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When even the lowest D player on AZB knows it's wrong, why can't the great Mark Griffin? Shame on you sir.
Seriously CSI? Forfeits bring losers back?
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I don't actually have a issue with advancing the next best player out of the round robin stage. Seems fine and for thoes who do have an issue with it now you know the rules.
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Guess none of you Keyboard cowboys are familiar with professional drag racing... If the winner or a round cannot make the next round the loser advances instead....
So this is a legitimate move on CSI's behalf to provide quality matches in each round... Cry as you want but if Ralf beat Shane and then could not make the next round I have no problem with Shane advancing....
If Ralf had beaten someone else then THEY should have advanced when Ralf could not show but that was not the case so you can take the whole conspiracy stuff and toss it....
In many sports this is the way things are handled.... Since this was a small invitational field they could handle this issue as they did easily... Normally because of the way brackets are staggered you will not have the loser of the prior match available nor is there time to round them up... This time they could and did.... I like it and it was 100% the right move....
I say this because there wa a euro event that got David Alcaide in lots of hot water for playing fast and losing to make a flight... After that issue knowing David and Ralf are friends I am sure Ralf had no intention of dumping off a match and being penalized... Ralf may not have been able to swap flights... Do any of you know that he tried and couldn't? Or you just guessing? I am betting since he was invited and will want to be invited next time that he did everything who could to get a later flight and there may just have been no way.............
Chris
Oh did Ko or Shane win???
So this is a legitimate move on CSI's behalf to provide quality matches in each round... Cry as you want but if Ralf beat Shane and then could not make the next round I have no problem with Shane advancing....
If Ralf had beaten someone else then THEY should have advanced when Ralf could not show but that was not the case so you can take the whole conspiracy stuff and toss it....
In many sports this is the way things are handled.... Since this was a small invitational field they could handle this issue as they did easily... Normally because of the way brackets are staggered you will not have the loser of the prior match available nor is there time to round them up... This time they could and did.... I like it and it was 100% the right move....
I say this because there wa a euro event that got David Alcaide in lots of hot water for playing fast and losing to make a flight... After that issue knowing David and Ralf are friends I am sure Ralf had no intention of dumping off a match and being penalized... Ralf may not have been able to swap flights... Do any of you know that he tried and couldn't? Or you just guessing? I am betting since he was invited and will want to be invited next time that he did everything who could to get a later flight and there may just have been no way.............
Chris
Oh did Ko or Shane win???
Don't know the rules don't worry I'll teach you as we go.
Problem is we know the rules, a bye was in order. :boring2:
That was against Corey... Ralf called in when it happened and they let Corey decide if he would wait.. He took the forfeit... Ralf arrived about 10 minutes after the clock had expired.... As a promoter I wouldn't have let Corey even have a chance to make the choice he made as this was not the usual overslept or busy gambling reason for missing a match...
Shame on me??? What for? Because I'm interested in hearing what Mark would have to say about this??
I'm really not emotionally invested in this at all. I'm really just curious what all the outrage is about.
It's always easy to be the arm chair quarterback and get all outraged about things but put yourself in the promoter's shoes for a second. I'm really not sure what I would do in this scenario IF I HADN'T PLANNED FOR IT but aren't we assuming that he didn't plan for it?
What if we all find out tomorrow that this rule was already in place before the tournament even began? It really doesn't seem that far fetched especially if the promoter wants to guarantee at least two semifinal matches. This is a paid stream after all.
Think of a different sport - like the recent World Cup for instance. What if one of the teams that made it through the group stages all of sudden couldn't play because of some unforeseen circumstance - what would they do? I really don't know but moving the next team from that group through doesn't seem that far fetched.
There are a lot of things in this world to be outraged about. I'm not so sure this is one of them. If that makes me crazy then I guess "Shame on me".
takeitdown
Banned
I know the only thing more meaningless than round robin pool tournaments are invitationals. You can't have guys playing each other if one of them has nothing to win. You can't have pros being led by the nose with promoters who hold their livelihood in their hands should they be uninvited next time. Pool is meant to be played wide open in tournaments where promoters don't influence outcomes late in the event for any reason. Most people have a clear sense about fair play in competition. What is your excuse?
Why did Ralf have a flight booked before the tournament was over in the first place.
It's not like he didn't know about this tournament in advance.
If there was a governing body for Pool Ralf would be fined.
As far as the other I won't even bother. Ko was screwed.
takeitdown
Banned
People in charge can do whatever they like but peasants like me don't have to like it.
But you know right from wrong, don't you? Just in case.
What they did to KO was wrong.
Well since you have admitted to the being the lowest D player on Az I guess I should bow to your lack of a clue but that aint gonna happen......
The dbl elimination tournament is by far worse than a round robin.. Luck of the draw since most are not seeded could have someone playing 1-2 world beaters while someone else goes thru a death bracket with all world class players. Sure there may be collusion in a round robin by players if someone is eliminated already and playing someone who can advance but heyyy Ralf won so so much for the invited pros having the character you are projecting on them.. If Ralf had dumped and jumped on a plane and CSI had found out about it... Ralf would not ever be asked back...
Thats what the invitational is about.. You create a set of pros that act with character and class and you can maybe drag pool back into the sunlight..
If the pros aren't dumping and the interest rises then maybe just maybe you will be able to book bets on professional matches again at the live betting windows.. That will be a step back to legitimacy......
We do invitational round robins at the Accu-Stats Arena several times a year.... And the guys are there to play... Every game of every match... These are world class players... Champions... They are not your local hero at the bar that will lay down trying to make a score... They bring it and keep bringing it which is what makes them champions... You think they need skin in the game to play? You have no and I mean NO clue as to what makes them who they are......
Chris
I don't know if they did him wrong or not. We don't have enough information yet.
If it was already in the rules that NO MATTER WHAT there will be two semi-final matches, then he wasn't done wrong. You could still not like the rule but that's life.
If he got a bye into the finals, you could then complain that the other two players that had to play a semi-final match were at a disadvantage because they didn't get to be fresh for the final.
This is why it's important that all this stuff is spelled out beforehand. As of right now, nobody knows if it is or not.
Everybody is just making a lot of assumptions. The first of which is that Mark likes Shane. Therefore, he will do anything he can to screw other people over in order to promote him. I don't think that's a fair assumption.
I don't either.
Just like I don't think it was fair to not give Ko a bye, as is usually done.
Let's worry about being fair to the players also.
I am inclined to agree...and like many before me, look forward to finding out if this s enviro was planned for prior to svb's recall.
This wasn't a double-elimination tournament; this was a round-robin. One competitor from the pool moves forward to the next round.
While it is a rare occurrence, it has happened in other sports. There is precedent for an eliminated competitor advancing in place of one who withdrew after qualfiying to advance to the next round.
Withdrawals After Qualfication- FIFA World Cup "FIFA invited Portugal and France, who had both been eliminated in qualifying, to fill the gaps left by Scotland and Turkey."
Ralph withdrew so the second-highest finisher got his spot. Kudos to the organizers for giving the pool world another great match instead of a bye.
While it is a rare occurrence, it has happened in other sports. There is precedent for an eliminated competitor advancing in place of one who withdrew after qualfiying to advance to the next round.
Withdrawals After Qualfication- FIFA World Cup "FIFA invited Portugal and France, who had both been eliminated in qualifying, to fill the gaps left by Scotland and Turkey."
Ralph withdrew so the second-highest finisher got his spot. Kudos to the organizers for giving the pool world another great match instead of a bye.
It's a professional event. Money is involved. Therefore, decisions based upon monetary priorities often have to be made. There are alternatives of course. One real one is, no money for the Promoter, no Promoted Tournaments for the Professionals. That's simply the pragmatic nature of business. As a Promoter, Business Owner, Executive or whatever, you're doing NOBODY a favor long term by making decisions that cause your business endeavor to go bankrupt.
To all the people *****ing to high heaven about it, write your checks for $10,000 to $100,000 and promote your own tournament. Run it as you see fit. However, when it is YOUR money on the line, let's see what kind of decisions you make.
To all the people *****ing to high heaven about it, write your checks for $10,000 to $100,000 and promote your own tournament. Run it as you see fit. However, when it is YOUR money on the line, let's see what kind of decisions you make.
A-ha.... there's the rub, isn't it?
Pretty damned easy to sit in judgment back here behind our keyboards.
When it's your $$$ on the line, let's see how YOU decide things....
If it were my money I think I'd give Shane one more chance because I like the guy and I think he can win this thing with just one more chance.
Bring little Ko back to the table as I say.<<<<<<< My best King Griffin voice was used in this post
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The way multi-stage tournaments work is that qualifiers are guaranteed x number of spots in the final brackets of a tournament. In this case, there were 4 qualifiers guaranteed for the final single-elimination round. It doesn't make any sense, when a qualifier forfeits, to put a bye in the final stage of the tournament. You fill the final brackets with the qualifiers.