Dress Codes at the BCAPL
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I'd kinda like to check those two on the right for compliance (from top to bottom) for myself
Does she have a sister?
I brought a collar and a staple gun to my match just in case they said anything about my shirt. HAHA!
And that is exactly the problem with it being a "rule". "Look presentable" should be the only rule.
The kid flashing his underwear with the waist of his jeans hanging down around his knees thinks he "looks presentable."
Lou Figueroa
So did the woman with the oversized denim shirt (with a collar), rolled up cutoff jean shorts to hide the frays, extra high tube socks and dirty sneakers. <---- description of a female who played in this tournament. Oh, she was also drunk and tried to move a game on the wire. She was within dress code and looked like rejected trailer trash. I hope she doesn't read this cause she could legit beat my ass.
To you the way that woman was dressed wasn't presentable. But she obviously thought she look like da bomb. And probably her peers and family did too. And THAT is why there are rules. Are the rules perfect? No. But it is exactly because everyone sees things differently that there is an attempt to establish a standard. And not everyone will probably agree with that standard but at least everyone is held to the same standard.
If you've ever managed a large operation you'll know that everyone thinks their "emergency" is just as important as the other person's "emergency." To one person the emergency is their father passing away To another the emergency is their dog needs to be picked up from doggy day care. And so there are usually rules that attempt to define what constitutes an emergency. Are those rules perfect? No. But any manager worth their salt enforces them equitably to be fair because the second you make an exception for one that'll come back and bite you.
Lou Figueroa
The Event is over and the Dress Code is still being talked about. How many violated theDRESS CODE, and were not allowed to play this year. Or is this just beating a dead horse, of no significance?
Lou, trust me, I understand that "presentable" is an opinion... but setting a standard that women must wear a collar is laughable. I posted photos of four of the most recognizable female pool players on earth who see more tv airtime than anyone in our game... and not one of them were dressed appropriate for that event. That says a lot.
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The only way things change is someone taking the lead, establishing a problem, presenting a solution then causing hell til it's fixed. Also, I cannot wait to hear what Mark and Ozzie say in the next podcast.
See the problem is some, including yourself, do not even understand that it's not about violating a code... it's about the fact that the code itself is terribly flawed (especially for women). The point of a code is to make people dress better but the fact is, people look just as sloppy just within the rules. So what's the point of having that code? If someone looks good, in or outside of code, they accomplished what the promoters were striving for. That is the point I'm trying to make. I do not expect everyone to understand this this very painfully obvious logic, especially you, but most should and do.
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Keep fighting the good fight Andrew, if I ever were to go to Vegas, which I never will to play pool again in my life, I would protest with you. #blackpower
I honestly don't get all the people who want to fight over DRESS CODE, last school tear there was an article in the local Newspaper about a group of parents who did not like their kids K-8 grade school. Having a uniform dress code, where the kids were told a Uniform was the way all kids were to dress to attend school. Yes they had School Uniforms.
A big battle happen at a school board meeting, and the less than one percent that wanted their kids be allowed to not dress in the UNIFORMS, wound up winning, and the uniforms went away.
The idea of the Uniforms was simple all kids were equal, and their would be less bullying over how some under privileged kid dressed, verses some kid who was from a well to do family, and could afford designer labels.
So the minority got their way, and the school is now forced to deal with more bullying. Has the SCHOOL BOARD had the EGGS to tell the parent who want free expression so sad to bad, the bullying problem over dress, would not be the problem the school has to deal with.
Country Club, some Jobs, some Resturants have DRESS. If you comply your are welcome to work their, spend your money there. Other wise you are not WELCOME.
Hell Disneyland has a DRESS CODE, if you should up looking like some Gang Member, you will turned away, and not be allowed in the park.
A big battle happen at a school board meeting, and the less than one percent that wanted their kids be allowed to not dress in the UNIFORMS, wound up winning, and the uniforms went away.
The idea of the Uniforms was simple all kids were equal, and their would be less bullying over how some under privileged kid dressed, verses some kid who was from a well to do family, and could afford designer labels.
So the minority got their way, and the school is now forced to deal with more bullying. Has the SCHOOL BOARD had the EGGS to tell the parent who want free expression so sad to bad, the bullying problem over dress, would not be the problem the school has to deal with.
Country Club, some Jobs, some Resturants have DRESS. If you comply your are welcome to work their, spend your money there. Other wise you are not WELCOME.
Hell Disneyland has a DRESS CODE, if you should up looking like some Gang Member, you will turned away, and not be allowed in the park.
The only way things change is someone taking the lead, establishing a problem, presenting a solution then causing hell til it's fixed. Also, I cannot wait to hear what Mark and Ozzie say in the next podcast.
See the problem is some, including yourself, do not even understand that it's not about violating a code... it's about the fact that the code itself is terribly flawed (especially for women). The point of a code is to make people dress better but the fact is, people look just as sloppy just within the rules. So what's the point of having that code? If someone looks good, in or outside of code, they accomplished what the promoters were striving for. That is the point I'm trying to make. I do not expect everyone to understand this this very painfully obvious logic, especially you, but most should and do.
The point is simple, it is Mark and Ozzie game, their event, and the one want to get their attention would be with a petition, or letter writing campaign. Stating your grips in writing.
Threaten to Boycott unless your demands are met. If you demands are not met, speak with your dollars, and cents, and stay home.
I know Mark and Ozzie attention would be got if the number of people attending their event all of a sudden took a big fall. Over a DRESS CODE.
I don't know how old you are but at any age it amazes me that you've made it this far in life. Congrats on beating the odds.
"Presentable attire" is like pornography: you know it when you see it. Very few people, however, are willing to make and defend the judgement call. You end up having one person just be the Fashion Police. And it's not the fault of the tournament directors; it's the people who go so far the other way that they have to create dress codes to begin with.
The dress codes really aren't there to catch people in the gray area, but one d-bag who walks in with a t-shirt that says, "BEER F*** YEAH" complains that he had to change his shirt while that guy with a plain black t-shirt didn't and they go no-tolerance on the whole thing because they just don't want to deal with the headaches.
By the way, I didn't make that shirt up. I saw a guy walking down the street wearing it just the other day.
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In the Tang Hoa tradition at Hardtimes a couple of years back..
Cleary, you could wear a tasteful print sleeveless, scalloped neck sundress, with a belted waist, of appropriate length.
Your female partner could wear the matching shirt and culottes ensemble.
Pretty sure you could pull this off...unless there is a specific gender compatibility dress code restriction...unlikely in today's environment of diversity.
...ps: your partner's top, although stunning, may have been viewed as neither a dress nor a shirt....but as a smock...and only departed Steve Allen may have been qualified to rule on it's propriety in the matter.
...Sorry for the drama...but you both looked 'mavalus' and way presentable.:thumbup:
I'm starting to think that you aint shy.
And that your wife asks good questions about pool.
In the Tang Hoa tradition at Hardtimes a couple of years back..
Cleary, you could wear a tasteful print sleeveless, scalloped neck sundress, with a belted waist, of appropriate length.
Your female partner could wear the matching shirt and culottes ensemble.
Pretty sure you could pull this off...unless there is a specific gender compatibility dress code restriction...unlikely in today's environment of diversity.
...ps: your partner's top, although stunning, may have been viewed as neither a dress nor a shirt....but as a smock...and only departed Steve Allen may have been qualified to rule on it's propriety in the matter.
...Sorry for the drama...but you both looked 'mavalus' and way presentable.:thumbup:
I'm starting to think that you aint shy.
And that your wife asks good questions about pool.
And that's the key words here, "...appropiate for that event."
In the past when some of those same women HAVE played in the BCAPL National Championships they have played in dress code for it.