While that is an option, I think it isn't a great one.
Any slight deviation on the vertical strike point of the cb results in a HUGE difference in outcome.
One virtually eliminates that (vertical strike point) factor by:
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While that is an option, I think it isn't a great one.
Any slight deviation on the vertical strike point of the cb results in a HUGE difference in outcome.
One virtually eliminates that (vertical strike point) factor by:
I agree!!!!
If the 9 ball is frozen..., if not I might consider shooting it down table
If the 9 ball is frozen..., if not I might consider shooting it down table
Agreed, and it gives you two outs. If you fall flat on the 8 you can still follow over for the shot down the rail.
Place CB on the other side of the 7 and shoot it in the lower left ... stun or slight follow to bump the middle diamond on the long rail below the 8 ... 8 in the top right ... with high left to get the CB past the side pocket below the 9 ... 9 in upper right same as the 8. This eliminates going two or three rails ... shortening the distance of CB travel thus increasing odds for success. Follow is much easier to control than draw.
If you have not done the following drill, try it. Throw three balls on the table ... with ball in hand run out with no hard shots! After you can do this 20 times in a row try four balls then five etc. This will improve your pattern play and ability to run out. If you play 9 ball shoot in rotation ... AFTER you can do the basic drill well.
Good luck!
If you have not done the following drill, try it. Throw three balls on the table ... with ball in hand run out with no hard shots! After you can do this 20 times in a row try four balls then five etc. This will improve your pattern play and ability to run out. If you play 9 ball shoot in rotation ... AFTER you can do the basic drill well.
Good luck!
With bih, the easiest and most natural runout is what branpureza posted.
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Last night's episode of 'couldn't get there'.
Chose to draw off the 7. Got dead straight on 8, cb near mouth of pocket about half a diamond down the short rail on the 9ball side. Pocked 8, slow rolled forward to first diamond short of the corner. Attempted cross side on 9, hit a point, sold out.
What would be your more reliable pattern?
note...drew off 7...long rail, long rail, short rail(landed on short rail almost frozen)/9ball about 3/8 inch off the rail.
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I don`t understand why you would choose to draw the ball of two or more rails with ball in hand. There are several other ways to get the cue ball up table for the 8.
Yep thats the way i would shoot it
This may not be for everybody, but it's a shape line that I play all the time and with a lot of confidence. What is nice about this is that the first two rails are running english but the third is reverse, which naturally kills the speed and gives you a reasonably wide margin of error with the speed before you have to worry about getting straight on.
Also, aside from ending up straight on, you have about 3' of decent shape: going into the third rail, coming off the third rail, going into the 4th rail (if you overhit a bit) and coming off the 4th rail.
This is essentially ONB's shot, but since the 7 is a little over on one side, that's the direction I'd play it.
Cory
Update: relative to ONB's shot, it's much better to approach the third rail around the second diamond, as shown in my picture, vs. the third diamond as shown in ONB's.
Also, aside from ending up straight on, you have about 3' of decent shape: going into the third rail, coming off the third rail, going into the 4th rail (if you overhit a bit) and coming off the 4th rail.
This is essentially ONB's shot, but since the 7 is a little over on one side, that's the direction I'd play it.
Cory
Update: relative to ONB's shot, it's much better to approach the third rail around the second diamond, as shown in my picture, vs. the third diamond as shown in ONB's.
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Playing position on that side of the 8 can get you in trouble if your position leaves you shooting off of or too close to the rail.
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Not me.
If I have ball in hand I play the 7 in the side with top. I would then bump the 9 out about a foot and the cue ball would end up about a diamond from the corner pocket along the same rail as where the 9 was originally.
I play the 8 in the lower corner with a little angle to hit 2 rails and then play the 9 in the side near where it was sitting.
Ken
If I have ball in hand I play the 7 in the side with top. I would then bump the 9 out about a foot and the cue ball would end up about a diamond from the corner pocket along the same rail as where the 9 was originally.
I play the 8 in the lower corner with a little angle to hit 2 rails and then play the 9 in the side near where it was sitting.
Ken
While that is indeed an easy route. No where near the easiest out.
While I prefer that over what was posted earlier, still not the easiest.
Easiest run out is play the 7 in the bottom right, follow on the cue ball. With a slight angle to have the cue ball hit the end rail and not follow the 7 in. It leaves you two possible choices for angle on the 8 to get to the 9. The 9 can be played in either corner due to it not being on the rail. Why play more rails and harder speed then needed? It's ball in hand man.
Are you suggesting gouging into the 7, away from the 8 and then bouncing back to other end of table?
If so, I I say no way. I'd choose shooting the 7 in one of the pockets by the 8 all day, over that.
Hell, if rather draw off the 7 Thea go a tabl length + forwards....
Gouging? What the hell you saying? Shooting the 7 in either pocket on the end where the 8 is leads to an easier leave. Putting top on the cue ball and having a slight angle to ensure you don't follow the 7 in leads to the easiest 8->9 possible. No matter where the cue ball lands after it hits the end rail you'll have an angle to get to the 9. Whether you choose to use top and play to the side rail and below/above the 9, or draw back out to above the 9. You have a higher guaranteed out when ensuring easier 7->8 position by going basically zero rails.
Any day if you think taking to cue ball a few rails for position off ball in hand with this layout is best.
You have ball-in-hand.
Well, according to some you are supposed to play a follow shot. Perhaps to one of the corner pockets by the 8 with a little angle so there is no chance of a scratch.
If I'm familiar with the equipment, I'd play a draw shot with no cushions and a little angle to avoid the scratch. Play the 8 to the upper left corner.
The Z pattern is good, or take it as a plus system off the 7 (short/long/long).
As for the statistic above, I don't think I ever said such a thing. It would require watching a lot of videos and noting a lot of BIH situations. I do think follow is usually the easier path especially under sketchy table/ball conditions.
As mentioned in that other "how do I get out here" thread, if you have ball in hand you often want to take a different shot than you would play shape for from a previous ball. I would probably not play shape for the simple no-rail draw shot on the 7 from the 6, for example. Much more likely results are the Z shot or the plus-system shot. If I get nearly straight on the 7 so the follow shot would go to the end rail, I'd try spinning out of the corner or a one-cushion draw depending on how I felt about the table. In any case, a nine ball player needs to have all of the above in his quiver.
Well, according to some you are supposed to play a follow shot. Perhaps to one of the corner pockets by the 8 with a little angle so there is no chance of a scratch.
If I'm familiar with the equipment, I'd play a draw shot with no cushions and a little angle to avoid the scratch. Play the 8 to the upper left corner.
The Z pattern is good, or take it as a plus system off the 7 (short/long/long).
As for the statistic above, I don't think I ever said such a thing. It would require watching a lot of videos and noting a lot of BIH situations. I do think follow is usually the easier path especially under sketchy table/ball conditions.
As mentioned in that other "how do I get out here" thread, if you have ball in hand you often want to take a different shot than you would play shape for from a previous ball. I would probably not play shape for the simple no-rail draw shot on the 7 from the 6, for example. Much more likely results are the Z shot or the plus-system shot. If I get nearly straight on the 7 so the follow shot would go to the end rail, I'd try spinning out of the corner or a one-cushion draw depending on how I felt about the table. In any case, a nine ball player needs to have all of the above in his quiver.
Well of course being comfortable with the table allows for more possible options for shots. But since this thread is about ball in hand with this particular layout, playing multiple rail "Z" shots is at a disadvantage. Why make things harder than needed?
The Z shot allows you to approach the next ball along the line of position. Of course this assumes your spin is accurate enough to land you on the right spot on the second cushion. An advantage of the Z shot for non-BIH play is that you can adjust the angle off the first cushion over a pretty wide range.
This is the sort of shot that would be a good challenge to have at a gathering of AZBers. We could each defend our own preferred choice. Shots like this come up every couple of months.
Gouging? It that the same as the traditional Virginia sporting technique I read about last night? Maybe I should post a quote. Sure, why not, it was easy to find, although this guy calls it "gowging":
"I would advise you when You do fight Not to act like Tygers and Bears as these Virginians do - Biting one anothers Lips and Noses off, and gowging one another - that is, thrusting out one anothers Eyes, and kicking one another on the Cods, to the Great damage of many a Poor Woman." [EN1] Thus, Charles Woodmason, an itinerant Anglican minister born of English gentry stock, described the brutal form of combat he found in the Virginia backcountry shortly before the American Revolution.
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2 rail out from the 7 to the 9. I like the getting on the 8 on the same side of the table as the 9 and 3 railing to come into the 9.
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