How about he forgot because there are so many sets of rules and he has been playing for 20 years not calling the money ball in rotation games? SVB essentially lost because of Simon Says type rules
I repeat Pool should not be a memory test.
wow SVB forfeits match vs Alcano
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How about he forgot because there are so many sets of rules and he has been playing for 20 years not calling the money ball in rotation games? SVB essentially lost because of Simon Says type rules
I repeat Pool should not be a memory test.
WHY AREN'T TOURNAMENT RULES AVAILABLE before an event?
This entire thread is reason enough to bolster my idea about tournament rules:
TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS should write up the rules for an event BEFOREHAND, make them publicly known to everyone interested. This way the players can practice using the rules of that event.
This wouldn't excuse players from attending the player's meeting because there are often additional explanations and exceptions made at that time.
It would be easy enough to state that the tournament rules are based upon WPA 10 ball rules, with the exception that the 10 Ball pocket must be called regardless of whether it is an obvious shot (and any other exceptions).
JoeyA
This entire thread is reason enough to bolster my idea about tournament rules:
TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS should write up the rules for an event BEFOREHAND, make them publicly known to everyone interested. This way the players can practice using the rules of that event.
This wouldn't excuse players from attending the player's meeting because there are often additional explanations and exceptions made at that time.
It would be easy enough to state that the tournament rules are based upon WPA 10 ball rules, with the exception that the 10 Ball pocket must be called regardless of whether it is an obvious shot (and any other exceptions).
JoeyA
Or how about he didn't know because he wasn't at the players meeting?
Manny puts on this great tourney and adds quite a bit of money. If he says you need to actually call the ten ball, then you should probably do it.
If I added 100k to an event and said you have to call and bank the ten ball to win the game then the pros would do it because they decided to play in a 100k added event which has that rule. They won't argue and say "this isn't a memory test. I have never had to bank the final ball in rotation to win the game so I am not going to start now."
Of course I would still compete...
If my opponent didn't call the nine, I would remind him that he is required to do so, and I would expect him to do the same.
Chickenshit cop outs are just that and have no place in a professional event. imo...
Jaden
If my opponent didn't call the nine, I would remind him that he is required to do so, and I would expect him to do the same.
Chickenshit cop outs are just that and have no place in a professional event. imo...
Jaden
I'm not forcing it...lol
that's why the rules spell out what is an obvious shot and then additionally GIVES the opponent OR the ref the opportunity to ASK for the pocket to be called if they AREN'T sure what he's TRYING to shoot.
Jaden
that's why the rules spell out what is an obvious shot and then additionally GIVES the opponent OR the ref the opportunity to ASK for the pocket to be called if they AREN'T sure what he's TRYING to shoot.
Jaden
Good post. Still, I'd add that there should be a rule that any player that unscrews mid-match will be disqualified from the event. Anyone who thinks kind of behavior is acceptable has already given up on this game.
There are calls in many sports that incense one or more of the participants, but what player packs up and leave because they disagree with a call in any other sport?
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Or we just all use the same rules all the time...
The quote in my response to Jay...
The quote in my response to Jay is a direct copy and paste of the WPA ten ball rules from their website.
It allows for opponents to ask for clarification if they can't tell where the shot is being played, it does NOT allow for a loss of game if that clarification isn't asked for.
So the real question here is what was Shane told?
If he was simply told, we're playing by WPA ten ball rules, then he should have at least gotten a warning prior to losing a game.
Even if it was explicitly stated at the meeting, it should have been brought up before a penalty was issued.
Now if it was something like all ball fouls was stated at the player's meeting, that would be different, but this is just chickenshit...
Also, if something as drastically different from the rules as all ball fouls is being used, you don't say you're playing by texas express rules where it explicitly states that opponent gets the choice of moving a ball back so long as it didn't interfere with the path of any balls.
Jaden
Jealousy comes to mind.
If the WPA states ''obvious'' that speaks Loudly. If that's not the case then I retract my statement with the ''thumbs up''.....thread, but if that is the rule then they need real referees.......................Typical pool player actions comes to mind.
I would never of done this in match play to any of my peers/Rempe/Efren/Davenport/Carter/Cole/Boom Boom/Archer/Varner and on and on and on and on. I have great respect for others in match play. And expect the same in return.
Ck out the FB threads................ I'muttahere: Too much drama.
Merry Xmas to all.............:thumbup:
The quote in my response to Jay is a direct copy and paste of the WPA ten ball rules from their website.
It allows for opponents to ask for clarification if they can't tell where the shot is being played, it does NOT allow for a loss of game if that clarification isn't asked for.
So the real question here is what was Shane told?
If he was simply told, we're playing by WPA ten ball rules, then he should have at least gotten a warning prior to losing a game.
Even if it was explicitly stated at the meeting, it should have been brought up before a penalty was issued.
Now if it was something like all ball fouls was stated at the player's meeting, that would be different, but this is just chickenshit...
Also, if something as drastically different from the rules as all ball fouls is being used, you don't say you're playing by texas express rules where it explicitly states that opponent gets the choice of moving a ball back so long as it didn't interfere with the path of any balls.
Jaden
Shane wasn't at the meeting so he wasn't told anything. It isn't the referee or opponent's job to know who was or wasn't at the players meeting. That is kind of the point of attending the players meeting.......
So you are saying if something is explicitly stated in the players meeting, then the player should still get a warning prior to the rule being enforced? Isn't the point of a players meeting to make sure that all players understand the rules and conditions of the tournament before it begins?
Fair enough.
When a player unscrews mid-match it should be an unacceptable behavior and a disqualification from the event would be fine as long as that was part of the rules of the event. I understand a protest but perhaps a better protest would have been directed toward the referee or the other player.
I think it would be easy enough to provide examples of players in other sports, disagreeing with a call and packing up to quit the match as a statement but I don't want to spend my time doing so.
JoeyA
Edit: A quick google search for tennis players quitting match turned up this: http://deadspin.com/tennis-player-calmly-melts-down-and-retires-from-match-692830721
When a player unscrews mid-match it should be an unacceptable behavior and a disqualification from the event would be fine as long as that was part of the rules of the event. I understand a protest but perhaps a better protest would have been directed toward the referee or the other player.
I think it would be easy enough to provide examples of players in other sports, disagreeing with a call and packing up to quit the match as a statement but I don't want to spend my time doing so.
JoeyA
Edit: A quick google search for tennis players quitting match turned up this: http://deadspin.com/tennis-player-calmly-melts-down-and-retires-from-match-692830721
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Alcano called all his last ball, no matter how obvious they were. He called the referee's attention and reminded him about the rule. Shane did not attend the players meeting, which probably was the reason why he didnt call the 10. he unscrewed his cue after getting pissed about the rule. how is Alcano the "poor sportsman"?
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Better check your facts about the alleged molestation.:rolleyes
Haven't seen Raga play
Do you think he needs to get some weight from Shane ?
If he beats Ronnie giving weight and Alex even , I am guessing if Raga gets weight from Shane , he should beat Shane quite easily Muahahaha
orcollo always gave the kid handicap (9-10) but never won. :grin:
He who has the gold makes the rules.
Tournament promoters should use the same rules all of the time but it's their money and they have the right to change the rules.
I once played in a prestigious 9 ball tournament in Naples, Florida some years back and I missed the player's meeting where the rule, "If you concede the game in play, you lose that game, plus one more game." I hung the 9 ball in the pocket and racked the balls.
My opponent was a classy guy named Ricky Bingham. He walked up to me and whispered, "You know the rules for this tournament is that if you concede a game, you lose that game plus one more?" I told him I didn't and he said, "Don't worry, we will only count that as one game loss. Just don't do it again."
I always wondered what happened to Ricky Bingham (if he still plays pool). He beat me in the event and I always remembered the class in which he carried himself that day. I thought enough of that sportsmanship to commit it to a story in my blog which can be read here.
JoeyA
Tournament promoters should use the same rules all of the time but it's their money and they have the right to change the rules.
I once played in a prestigious 9 ball tournament in Naples, Florida some years back and I missed the player's meeting where the rule, "If you concede the game in play, you lose that game, plus one more game." I hung the 9 ball in the pocket and racked the balls.
My opponent was a classy guy named Ricky Bingham. He walked up to me and whispered, "You know the rules for this tournament is that if you concede a game, you lose that game plus one more?" I told him I didn't and he said, "Don't worry, we will only count that as one game loss. Just don't do it again."
I always wondered what happened to Ricky Bingham (if he still plays pool). He beat me in the event and I always remembered the class in which he carried himself that day. I thought enough of that sportsmanship to commit it to a story in my blog which can be read here.
JoeyA
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Jay said that in the player's meeting, it was specifically stated that the 10 ball must be called. It appears then that the rules were amended at least for this particular tournament. If SVB did not attend the players' meeting, then that is his fault. Nobody to blame but himself. For those that are saying that how come they do not see some players point or gestures toward the intended pocket for the 10 ball, there is no audio so how do you people know whether the players are verbally saying where they intended the ball to go?Affected Shane psychologically? I do not think so. Shane is a professional. After the incident, he went on to beat Biado in a money game. It could just be he lost to this unknown monster who played better than him for that particular match.
Haven't seen Raga play
Do you think he needs to get some weight from Shane ?
If he beats Ronnie giving weight and Alex even , I am guessing if Raga gets weight from Shane , he should beat Shane quite easily Muahahaha
I hope we get to see a money game match between Shane and this wonder kid Anton Raga. In one of the videos of "batang tirador", I heard that Raga's financier/manager wants to pit him against SVB.
Bustamante must be a helluva ventriloquist as his lips never moved. See Cleary's post/link above.
I would have pulled my pants down and walked out with my ass out too
Fixed your post.