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I don't know what's wrong with the cyclops balls. lol I played with them last year at the expo and the diamonds with those on didn't play any different then the years before when they used super amaramith pros. I'm not super found of the easter egg colors..but with in a rack or two I didn't give it a thought. I didn't miss a single shot or position that I thought THOSE DAMN BALLS MADE ME MISS A SHOT!! lol
This statement is more ridiculous than the statement that you said was ridiculous.
And a Piss Poor analogy to boot. Surely you can do better.
We're talking about a set of billiard balls that have different colors than the rest, at the very least.
No where close to playing tennis on a grass court in mud and water.
TheThaiger
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No it isn't. What if the balls are shit? Equipment gets changed all the time in all sorts of sports. Ronnie had a fit at the recent UK championship because the cushions were producing big bounces, and they were replaced.
Why should pros play with Duff equipment?
snooker.. how it's treated by the players , fans and sponsors is what this country should aspire to.
I do agree with you to an extent. I remember being at the expo watching the pro tournament when they changed the q balls form a red circle to the measle ball right before the match after the players had used in the practice room and warmed up with another ball. Of course Earl was the only guy to voice his opinion even though you could see all the players were looking at the guy like wtf. The clueless tournament director said your a pro earl you can adjust. His response was something like "I'm playing for my life here so I can eat..I shouldn't have to.!" He's right. You would never see the nfl come out and hand a qb a different football before a game and say here. ... adjust lol I don't have a problem with different equipment tournament to tournament as much as I do changing equipment half way through it. I know pool is desperate for sponsers so they do what they have to do to survive right now but damn..can you use the same thing through out the match lol
I did not read that facebook thing but I am very very certain they were not complaining about the colors. What I've heard on the streams from commentators is that the cueball rolls off and they skid a lot. That is where the issue is. Plus the cueball has that thick clear coat on it that makes it look odd for aiming. When I played with them, I did not like it much. If you replace the cueball from another set they are OK.
That could be.. when I used them at the expo with new cloth and new balls and skidding is always an issue with those conditions with any balls they use at the expo so I didn't give it much thought
Is it? Read my post. Read the post/quote I was responding to.
A blanket statement like "A REAL professional player plays under any conditions, on any size table, at any time...and performs" invites (and warrants!) an analogy like the one I used.
And if the balls are shit then I would expect the pros to complain. Like TheThaiger said above, why should professionals play on duff equipment (in any sport)?
This. I don't know that everyone does it, but, I've seen on several occasions that as the cue ball is coming to a rest it'll roll off. I also think they take a little more throw.
I've heard the skid thing as well, I have not encountered that they skid more than any other balls.
Can't say that logic is relative but either way I've played tap nationals and provincials with the skittles balls on diamond tables and thought they were just fine, I actually thought they were nice for a change.
If Shawn Putnam doesn't play in any tournaments because of these balls it won't hurt my feelings not will it stop me from buying a ppv stream..
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This is correct Greg does want the equipment to play best and getting feedback from players is how the improvements will come. I've only played with the Cyclops balls once, it was at DCC last year and I remarked that they didn't react ball to ball the same as Aramith. But I believe Greg will listen and make adjustments. I was there in Lexington at the Continental Inn for the first tournament with Diamond tables and they played terrible, everyone was complaining. They went back to the drawing board and made improvements. In fact, they still are and the tables continue to play better.
The strange thing with the balls is they state they are going back to the Hyatt type ball mixture with an old man from the Hyatt factory but the Ccyclops balls don't react like Hyatts, Centennials or Aramith which all react pretty much the same.
...and using your "sense of logic", yes, if all the other tennis players have to play under the same conditions. Of course your comparison is ridiculous compared to mine. The best poolplayers learn to adjust to any playing conditions. The quicker the adjustment, the better the player. All we're talking about here is a different brand of balls...they are the same size, same weight, and nearly the same material makeup.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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If you don't want their sponsor money don't play
Some one else might be happy too.
They will collect.
They might eat steak.
Professional competitors implies being paid your for results.
No excuses.
We want results.
Just results.
Nick
Some one else might be happy too.
They will collect.
They might eat steak.
Professional competitors implies being paid your for results.
No excuses.
We want results.
Just results.
Nick
Cyclop balls were used at the CSI pro events in July and they played just fine. I agree with those that don't much care for the Cyclop cue ball but that can be addressed. Are Cyclop balls the best? Maybe not, but they are very good and should d not be referenced as inferior by anyone.
Of course, pool players making the sponsors look bad is standard fare. To me, it was far more embarrassing at the CSI event when Van Boening insisted on trying about ten different Magic Racks before deeming one acceptable in his match with Ko Pin Yi. It made a high profile product look bad.
Of course, pool players making the sponsors look bad is standard fare. To me, it was far more embarrassing at the CSI event when Van Boening insisted on trying about ten different Magic Racks before deeming one acceptable in his match with Ko Pin Yi. It made a high profile product look bad.
Cyclops Balls
I've read Shawn's complaint on FB and think he is shooting himself in the foot by refusing to attend events using Cyclops. Shawn has had good finishes in DCC the past several years as well as the US Open even though DCC is the only event using Cyclops beginning last year. He finished 13th in the 9 ball at Derby and 50th in the one pocket. If I could attribute his last year DCC finishes to anything it would be lack of events he played.
I must admit, when I played with them for the first time at Derby back in January I didn't really like them either. They reacted different than Aramith and the translucent cue ball was kinda distracting especially the the bottom/base of the ball as it seemed brighter.
Anyway, I now have a Diamond Pro Am table with the regular cyclops set and like them. They don't get as dirty nor as dirty as quick as the Aramith set. I've been playing with them for about 3 months. I polish them every couple sessions with the Diamond ball cleaner using Meguiar's liquid placing only a small amount on each ball after putting them in the platter. They play pretty good both clean and dirty I think.
Like Scott was saying earlier, professional players should be able to play with anything. The rolls even out over time and so do skids. For every ball that skidded and cost a game why not think about all the balls just flat out missed or played poor shape on that cost a game. Guarantee we would know what the tally would be after a year if we kept track.
I've read Shawn's complaint on FB and think he is shooting himself in the foot by refusing to attend events using Cyclops. Shawn has had good finishes in DCC the past several years as well as the US Open even though DCC is the only event using Cyclops beginning last year. He finished 13th in the 9 ball at Derby and 50th in the one pocket. If I could attribute his last year DCC finishes to anything it would be lack of events he played.
I must admit, when I played with them for the first time at Derby back in January I didn't really like them either. They reacted different than Aramith and the translucent cue ball was kinda distracting especially the the bottom/base of the ball as it seemed brighter.
Anyway, I now have a Diamond Pro Am table with the regular cyclops set and like them. They don't get as dirty nor as dirty as quick as the Aramith set. I've been playing with them for about 3 months. I polish them every couple sessions with the Diamond ball cleaner using Meguiar's liquid placing only a small amount on each ball after putting them in the platter. They play pretty good both clean and dirty I think.
Like Scott was saying earlier, professional players should be able to play with anything. The rolls even out over time and so do skids. For every ball that skidded and cost a game why not think about all the balls just flat out missed or played poor shape on that cost a game. Guarantee we would know what the tally would be after a year if we kept track.
IMPOSSIBLE! Your post is making me go find that link on Facebook and I'm not LOL.
JoeyA
Equipment has certainly changed in other sports & yes players have had to adapted, some could & some could not.
But... the equipment was not changing back & forth from week to week or game to game, etc.
There is no 'governing' body & no consistency in the 'sport' or 'game' of pocket billiards & that's a problem.
Earl once blew, not a gasket, but his whole engine one time when after practicing for a long time & warming up for a match he went to play his match & found that it would be played with a different cue ball.
To some, some things don't matter, to others that really know, 'little things' make a huge difference.
Pool is a game of millimeters & friction & momentum & the resulting angles of the interaction of extremely small surface contact between two round objects.
Every difference makes a difference to those that know the difference.
To those that don't know, it makes no difference.
But... the equipment was not changing back & forth from week to week or game to game, etc.
There is no 'governing' body & no consistency in the 'sport' or 'game' of pocket billiards & that's a problem.
Earl once blew, not a gasket, but his whole engine one time when after practicing for a long time & warming up for a match he went to play his match & found that it would be played with a different cue ball.
To some, some things don't matter, to others that really know, 'little things' make a huge difference.
Pool is a game of millimeters & friction & momentum & the resulting angles of the interaction of extremely small surface contact between two round objects.
Every difference makes a difference to those that know the difference.
To those that don't know, it makes no difference.
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So let me get this right.
Diamond makes great tables.
The leveling system on their table is patented and is the nuts.
The slates are over an inch thick.
They prefer the Simonis cloth b/c it's the most consistent brand there is.
But, the use Cyclop balls which have been shown on video to dance.
The cue ball might different size from the balls from time to time.
Diamond makes great tables.
The leveling system on their table is patented and is the nuts.
The slates are over an inch thick.
They prefer the Simonis cloth b/c it's the most consistent brand there is.
But, the use Cyclop balls which have been shown on video to dance.
The cue ball might different size from the balls from time to time.
Everybody needs to lighten up on Mr. Putnam.
Good grief...let the guy blow off a little steam. Maybe he just had a really bad experience with those balls. Everybody acts like it's the end of the world that he had a bad experience with them and shared it publicly. If the guy doesn't like the balls -- he doesn't like the balls. There's really no reason to lump his statement together with every bad thing professional pool players have done recently.
He will probably come around and when he does I'm sure he won't be standing around waiting to be sponsored by Cyclops Balls.
No biggie.
Good grief...let the guy blow off a little steam. Maybe he just had a really bad experience with those balls. Everybody acts like it's the end of the world that he had a bad experience with them and shared it publicly. If the guy doesn't like the balls -- he doesn't like the balls. There's really no reason to lump his statement together with every bad thing professional pool players have done recently.
He will probably come around and when he does I'm sure he won't be standing around waiting to be sponsored by Cyclops Balls.
No biggie.