so you actually would prefer no event to a large barbox event?
US Open 10 ball & 8 ball is Back!
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so you actually would prefer no event to a large barbox event?
For ME and for a US Open yes-I wouldnt wish it dead however as league players and others BB specialists will benefit from it. I wish they would rename it with "small table championship" in the title-Then id be fine with it but would be disappointed that a true US Open Pool tourny no longer exists for 8 and 10ball.
I agree ... but it would be the same if you put a windmill in the middle of the table.
I can barely watch 9 ball ... let alone 9 ball on a toy table.
btw ... don't forget my break solution ..... just put one of these over the table, and hey, if they can't afford one for each table, do like those high class restaurants do with the grated cheese, you can have an official come around and sprinkle balls all over the table. :thumbup:
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This is a great idea, but why the need for formal dress?
I first want to say I am not speaking for CSI in any way here. I am speaking as a guy who spent his own time and money trying to do pro pool the way myself and a lot of people in this thread think it should be done. 9 footers, tried all kinds of formats, tried super tight pockets. Tried about everything you can imagine.
None of it works. No one is watching. Free or PPV. Pro pool is dying at an increasingly rapid pace in this country. Don't believe me go look at the schedule of events in 2007 vs. 2011 vs. 2015. Its not a curve or plateau its a cliff.
Now if you accept that pro pool in this country is in a death spiral destined to end up with Derby and Turning Stone as the only large events left, which I do because I think we all agree Barry's event is on its last legs and there are zero new promoters on the horizon. Thats leaves us with the question of "If what has always been in the past is not working what should you do?" Not one single person here can provide a financial plan that shows any kind of profit for holding a five figure added event held on 9 foot tables. That means any events of that type that are held are done really for no other reason than ego or charity. Trying to build a future on either is a fools errand.
So look at what is working in pool in this country. That is leagues and bar tables. Leagues are sprouting up everywhere. While traditional pool rooms with 9 footers are dropping like flies there are bars and rooms everywhere with small tracks. There are hundreds of thousands of people who pay to play pool every week and could not tell you the name of any pro beside "that black widow girl". And why should they? They like to PLAY pool. Why should they care to watch guys who play different games on different tables by different rules? Plus the only way to know when to watch them play is to be balls deep in AZ or Facebook because there is no easy way to find info on where or how to see guys play even if you want to.
So we have this huge disconnect between pro's, pro fans and every other person who plays pool. Its a you against the world thing for traditional pro pool players and fans. I was told once "Son...if its you against the world the world will win" It took me a long time and a lot of effort to finally believe that.
Thats all just a really long way to say that my personal opinion is that we have tried every other damn thing. Why not try the obvious thing right in front of our face for a minute and see if anything changes? Its not like it could get any worse if it fails and it just might get some of those hundreds of thousands of people who play the same games on the same tables to care about the pro side of the game. Also people really should remember its not like there are people meeting all over this country saying "Should we do a nine foot event or a seven foot event?" Its a lot more like "Should we do a seven foot event or not do anything."
As to all the sky is falling, what a joke type comments. Its easy. Reach in your pocket, post the dough and do you a big nine footer extravaganza and show just how many people are clamoring for that golden days gone by type of pool.
None of it works. No one is watching. Free or PPV. Pro pool is dying at an increasingly rapid pace in this country. Don't believe me go look at the schedule of events in 2007 vs. 2011 vs. 2015. Its not a curve or plateau its a cliff.
Now if you accept that pro pool in this country is in a death spiral destined to end up with Derby and Turning Stone as the only large events left, which I do because I think we all agree Barry's event is on its last legs and there are zero new promoters on the horizon. Thats leaves us with the question of "If what has always been in the past is not working what should you do?" Not one single person here can provide a financial plan that shows any kind of profit for holding a five figure added event held on 9 foot tables. That means any events of that type that are held are done really for no other reason than ego or charity. Trying to build a future on either is a fools errand.
So look at what is working in pool in this country. That is leagues and bar tables. Leagues are sprouting up everywhere. While traditional pool rooms with 9 footers are dropping like flies there are bars and rooms everywhere with small tracks. There are hundreds of thousands of people who pay to play pool every week and could not tell you the name of any pro beside "that black widow girl". And why should they? They like to PLAY pool. Why should they care to watch guys who play different games on different tables by different rules? Plus the only way to know when to watch them play is to be balls deep in AZ or Facebook because there is no easy way to find info on where or how to see guys play even if you want to.
So we have this huge disconnect between pro's, pro fans and every other person who plays pool. Its a you against the world thing for traditional pro pool players and fans. I was told once "Son...if its you against the world the world will win" It took me a long time and a lot of effort to finally believe that.
Thats all just a really long way to say that my personal opinion is that we have tried every other damn thing. Why not try the obvious thing right in front of our face for a minute and see if anything changes? Its not like it could get any worse if it fails and it just might get some of those hundreds of thousands of people who play the same games on the same tables to care about the pro side of the game. Also people really should remember its not like there are people meeting all over this country saying "Should we do a nine foot event or a seven foot event?" Its a lot more like "Should we do a seven foot event or not do anything."
As to all the sky is falling, what a joke type comments. Its easy. Reach in your pocket, post the dough and do you a big nine footer extravaganza and show just how many people are clamoring for that golden days gone by type of pool.
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Let's not get to carried away ,, thier in it for the money plain and simple ,, and to maximize profits thier doing it on bar boxes ,, they can bring more in with less costs all across the board
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You make it sound like being in it for the money is a bad thing.
I will hold the most awesome nine foot tournament ever and not charge anyone anything. Of course I wont be paying out anything either. How many players you figure will show up?
If the players are just in it for the money why should anyone else be held to a different standard?
Rancor Johnson is the teacher....
They're also using handicaps for those leagues. Call me crazy but think of the turnout a tournament would have if tier 1 pro gave a little something to tier 2 and more to three. And even more to a shortstop. Imagine if 500-1000 people all felt they had the same odds to win.
All I play now is leagues on 7ft tables,Csi/Bca, Acs, Vnea, Apa etc
All the Nationals where the big money is are on 7ft tables.
It's nice to get to see the pros play on the same equipment as we do. So we can learn from them.
Having said that, I have not enjoyed watching pool online as much as the Chinese 8 ball tournament.
Those tables provide a true test, but I understand the logistics of setting a tournament up with those tables might be too costly.
All the Nationals where the big money is are on 7ft tables.
It's nice to get to see the pros play on the same equipment as we do. So we can learn from them.
Having said that, I have not enjoyed watching pool online as much as the Chinese 8 ball tournament.
Those tables provide a true test, but I understand the logistics of setting a tournament up with those tables might be too costly.
They're not ready to give up on their philanthropical dream for pool just yet..... They just don't realize that pro pool is in already line for government cheese.
I talked to to Ric and Bonnie Jones about this Thursday. Told them your idea and asked them to tell me why it wont work. They said they tried this several places and what happens is that if you make the handicaps big enough for the lower players to really have a chance the better players wont play. If you dont really handicap the top end players then they always win anyway.
The problem is the skill gap with the really good players. Your format works with most of the players but when you try to mix in that top tier things go wonky. I still think you are on to something and it would make a lot of sense. The idea of one big tournament at nationals with an open guy having a legit chance to win is powerful.
Never said that now did I .. Me personaly I could care less if the dug 6 holes in the sand and ran thier turny thier ,,half the field of players aren't in it for the money if they are I would highly suggest to them to change thier priorities ,because after the top 5 it's pennies
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Well, my idea for the BCAPL. To stop segregating open/advanced/masters and let them play together in one large tournament (with a handicap like they do in the mini tournaments).
Every year the people who cash in the open div. get bumped to the advanced div. But with $10k for first in the open and $2k first in advanced… it's not even worth coming back unless you win the whole thing. It just drives players off and they don't come back.
Meanwhile over in the mini tournament room, they're running tournaments right and the place is packed day and night.
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Yeah, but on 9 inch or 7 inch tables?
I agree with everything you say.
And personally I don't care if Mark wants to hold a big singles tournament, for whatever reason, on bar boxes. Just don't call those events the US Open. Change the name and say the US 10Ball and 8Ball Opens are on hiatus, like the US 1Pocket Open has been. Downsizing the equipment from 9' to 7' and calling it the same event is wrong for a lot of reasons and IMO there is not an asterisk big enough to go next to the name of whatever players win.
I recognize it's CSI's event and they can do what they will.
Lou Figueroa
Don't you remember back in 1984 when the golf US Open was played on a pitch n putt par 3 course?