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"Play inside the cue ball and hit them heavy"
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CJ says to accelerate through the stroke - is that the same as "heavy"?
 
"Play inside the cue ball and hit them heavy"
SS

CJ says to accelerate through the stroke - is that the same as "heavy"?


Hit them so the CB floats, dead - heavy. No surprising, just the exact angles in and out. Work the angles with no extra spin after contact with OB.

That is the way I should describe it anyway. You can hit it very "firm" and still hold shape much better than "ordinary centerball".
If you look at the CB after contact with the OB and you have 0 spin, just the correct angle in and out is where you have the true centerball hit imo.

I calculate every shot from there. Fooling around with it a while and you will probably notice that there is very little you can't to :p. Pivot side, up and down.....

Very fun:thumbup:.

Chrippa
 
[using a little inside] You can hit it very "firm" and still hold shape much better than "ordinary centerball".
This is not true. No offcenter hit is generally "much better" than centerball for "holding" shape. Use what you need without preference or you're needlessly limiting yourself.

The idea that favoring one side of the CB is more forgiving or more predictable or makes position play easier than centerball is a myth.

pj
chgo
 
This is not true. No offcenter hit is generally "much better" than centerball for "holding" shape. Use what you need without preference or you're needlessly limiting yourself.

The idea that favoring one side of the CB is more forgiving or more predictable or makes position play easier than centerball is a myth.

pj
chgo

Maybe Efren Reyes and Francisco Bustamante (and many other greats) should read your post.
 
This is not true. No offcenter hit is generally "much better" than centerball for "holding" shape. Use what you need without preference or you're needlessly limiting yourself.

The idea that favoring one side of the CB is more forgiving or more predictable or makes position play easier than centerball is a myth.

pj
chgo

Patrick, if you just tried it the way I explained it you would see. If after trying it and you still can't see, let me know and I will work on my explanations.

Read it again please and think for a while and you might see what i say.

Look at the outcoming result and not at the incoming thought of what you think it´s right - makes a huge different.

Regards

Chrippa
 
This is not true. No offcenter hit is generally "much better" than centerball for "holding" shape. Use what you need without preference or you're needlessly limiting yourself.

The idea that favoring one side of the CB is more forgiving or more predictable or makes position play easier than centerball is a myth.

pj
chgo

The word easier is a relative term of one's perception.

Perhaps for him, & others it IS easier.

For me, after playing for more than 45 years spinning the ball with much outside & inside spin, a method to which I naturally 'gravitated', I certainly prefer the TOI method over the center ball axis in very very many if not most instances.

Like the phrase says, 'to each his own' & everyone should be at choice.

Maybe it comes down to ability or some other innate trait. Some can play better only using center ball while others can play better by going off the center axis.

Again, each individual should make their own determinations.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
Patrick, if you just tried it the way I explained it you would see. If after trying it and you still can't see, let me know and I will work on my explanations.

Read it again please and think for a while and you might see what i say.

Look at the outcoming result and not at the incoming thought of what you think it´s right - makes a huge different.

Regards

Chrippa
No offense, Chrippa - lots of people are falling for this "avoid centerball" myth.

I use "a touch" of inside English all the time - when it's called for, not because I prefer it. It isn't "better" than any other kind of English or no English.

For instance:

- it isn't more accurate than centerball
- it isn't more forgiving than centerball
- is isn't more predictable than centerball
- it doesn't create more margin for error than centerball
- etc., etc.

Believing these myths might make you more aware of exactly where you hit the CB, and this can help you hit the CB more precisely, but you can do that without believing that avoiding centerball is magical - and without dumbing down your understanding of pool.

pj
chgo
 
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No offense, Chrippa - lots of people are falling for this "avoid centerball" myth.

I use "a touch" of inside English all the time - when it's called for, not because I prefer it. It isn't "better" than any other kind of English or no English.

For instance:

- it isn't more accurate than centerball
- it isn't more forgiving than centerball
- is isn't more predictable than centerball
- it doesn't create more margin for error than centerball
- etc., etc.

Believing these myths might make you more aware of exactly where you hit the CB, and this can help you hit the CB more precisely, but you can do that without believing that avoiding centerball is magical - and without dumbing down your understanding of pool.

pj
chgo

Well Pj, who knows, without trying what I said however you will never know.

What is a centerball hit, how do you judge it? From the incoming or the outcoming?

Take care

C
 
Hit them so the CB floats, dead - heavy. No surprising, just the exact angles in and out. Work the angles with no extra spin after contact with OB.

That is the way I should describe it anyway. You can hit it very "firm" and still hold shape much better than "ordinary centerball".
If you look at the CB after contact with the OB and you have 0 spin, just the correct angle in and out is where you have the true centerball hit imo.

I calculate every shot from there. Fooling around with it a while and you will probably notice that there is very little you can't to :p. Pivot side, up and down.....

Very fun:thumbup:.

Chrippa

Could that be a "stun" hit? Does the CB slide?

Be well.
 
Could that be a "stun" hit? Does the CB slide?

Be well.

Good question, if you have the thought of " I want the CB to roll true after impact", true is without any spin - "dead, heavy". So a stun hit with a touch of inside that equal outs the spin that the CB takes when it contacts the OB.

Do please ask more questions if need bee, I aim to please here and I´m willing to do what it takes :-).

But.... just like learning to walk you have to try it....:) Be a kid again and just have fun and go for the result that you want.


Regards

Chrippa
 
I learned a hard center ball hit on the CB as stun. I use stun on cuts to move the CB to the side of the aim line. The CB slides toward the OB.

If I apply english with stun, there is less swerve.

Be well.
 
I learned a hard center ball hit on the CB as stun. I use stun on cuts to move the CB to the side of the aim line. The CB slides toward the OB.

If I apply english with stun, there is less swerve.

Be well.

Ok. I wouldn't say that I use a stun shot all the time. I go in to the shot always with inside ( 95%) and shift up and down according to My Will of the shot, if I need spin after the contact I pivot for outside and I can pivot inside also but most of the time I shift parallell inside for inside spin. I can also do it slow or fast but I "see" the shot differently then. We can do amazons things when we " let go". To find "center" go far left, go far right - go to the extremes to challenge yourself and after a while there will be very small motions, pivots, adjustments that needs to be done imo.

You, or at least I calibrate it, more finetuning it.

There is so much to master and learn if you want, right now I'm training to walk the ladder more smoothly and up.

I like to try things out, which method I like best I chose after which suits My style the best.

Regande Chrippa
 
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