Didn't miss it Just another opinion that's all. What is Satori's training in CTE ? He take lessons from Stan, buy the dvd. Without that info what exactly does his opinion mean.
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Didn't miss it Just another opinion that's all. What is Satori's training in CTE ? He take lessons from Stan, buy the dvd. Without that info what exactly does his opinion mean.
Hey Robin.
If you thought my earlier reference was made in regards to you. It was not.
There would seem to have been a miscommunication there initially.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
That was directed at English, since he wants all the lurkers to abide by his opinion.
I hear your book is very good by the way but I am way happy with being a student of Stan's. Thanks for the offer though.
No Worries
No worries Rick, Im good but thanks. Aiming is very subjective what works for one doesnt necessarily work for all.
No worries Rick, Im good but thanks. Aiming is very subjective what works for one doesnt necessarily work for all.
Your the one trolling. You have no experience and no training in CTE, just a lot of keyboard opinions.
Agreed.
I'll just stop there.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
PS Is your second book out yet? If so, I hope I ordered the right one as I gave it no thought when I placed the order.
No Problem
Thank you very much Cookie, I just enjoy pool and if I can help someone I really like that, sticking to a plan is a good thing being in the middle does little to help ones game. I have a friend who I asked 4 yrs ago how he aims and he still cant decide. He has developed a new system every time I see him and is stuck at his level. Do what works for you. Thanks for the compliment.
Thank you very much Cookie, I just enjoy pool and if I can help someone I really like that, sticking to a plan is a good thing being in the middle does little to help ones game. I have a friend who I asked 4 yrs ago how he aims and he still cant decide. He has developed a new system every time I see him and is stuck at his level. Do what works for you. Thanks for the compliment.
2nd Book
You got the right one Rick,
Im still working on the next book, its a process.
You got the right one Rick,
Im still working on the next book, its a process.
Try the NPR.
It is one thing to mentioned that there are gaps in Ghost Ball and another to mentioned that and provide what those gaps were for you.
So what gaps were you having problems with when using Ghost Ball.
I use ghost ball and find no gaps.
The biggest issue people have is being too lazy to practice properly. No method or structure.
So what gaps were you having problems with when using Ghost Ball.
I use ghost ball and find no gaps.
The biggest issue people have is being too lazy to practice properly. No method or structure.
The gaps are people miss more. Do you never miss because you aimed it wrong?
You simply don't understand peoples ability to visualise certain things aren't the same as yours. No matter how much they practice visualising it, they simply cant do it. I cant.
Someone in this thread or maybe another mentioned a very ingenious little visualisation trick. Its imagining a rail running from the outside of the object ball to the pocket and shooting it just like a down the rail shot. I tried this and it was crazy how well it worked. This is because i can visualise lines better than I can an imaginary ball, or judge it better than I can a ghost ball patch on the table.
Its the same with those who excel with using CTE. Those who can visualise lines tend to do better with it than those who visualise specific spots or points in the distance ala contact points or GB.
Pidge,
I am with you.
In addition to the rail line, I also look at the line from the CB to the imaginary GB and look at and recognize that included angle and recall where to hit the OB with the CB.
I also double check by looking at the contact point on the OB and the obverse on the CB with my stick before I get down on the shot.
I see angles and points.
Be well.
Simplified CPTCP Aiming Chart
Here is a simple chart I made to show the some sample contact aiming points.
The yellow ball is the object ball to be pocketed in the upper left corner. The three green balls are cue balls showing different angles coming into the object ball. No matter where the cue ball is, the contact point on the object ball remains the same. The red lines show the direction the cue ball is taking in order to hit the object balls correct contact point.
If you notice the shot from the bottom green ball up into the yellow ball you will see two blue lines. Those show the distance from the edge of the cue ball's contact point is the same distance from the edge of the object balls to its contact point. They are mirrors of each other. The left side of the cue ball is the same as the right side of the object ball.
Based upon what I need to do with the cue ball after it hits the object ball, I keep the same "line", but adjust my cue a bit over on the cue ball.
If you notice the position of my cue, it is always hitting the "inside" or center of the cue ball. I will adjust over if I need to, but I "try" to keep my angles where I don't have to.
Hope this isn't too complicated for some. PowerPoint isn't the best program for trying to illustrate this.
Aloha.
Here is a simple chart I made to show the some sample contact aiming points.
The yellow ball is the object ball to be pocketed in the upper left corner. The three green balls are cue balls showing different angles coming into the object ball. No matter where the cue ball is, the contact point on the object ball remains the same. The red lines show the direction the cue ball is taking in order to hit the object balls correct contact point.
If you notice the shot from the bottom green ball up into the yellow ball you will see two blue lines. Those show the distance from the edge of the cue ball's contact point is the same distance from the edge of the object balls to its contact point. They are mirrors of each other. The left side of the cue ball is the same as the right side of the object ball.
Based upon what I need to do with the cue ball after it hits the object ball, I keep the same "line", but adjust my cue a bit over on the cue ball.
If you notice the position of my cue, it is always hitting the "inside" or center of the cue ball. I will adjust over if I need to, but I "try" to keep my angles where I don't have to.
Hope this isn't too complicated for some. PowerPoint isn't the best program for trying to illustrate this.
Aloha.
Since you seem to be like everyone else who either can't read or has a terrible memory.
This too has been discussed.
Just like a beginner imagining the ghost ball in their early stages that eventually moves onto aiming automatically, so too does the CTE user in regards to using CTE.
I don't look for visuals or worry about which sweep to use. All my time spent consciously working with CTE has given my subconscious the necessary tools to aim without any thought. When a shot does come along that's a little more difficult or I'm not as familiar with, then I do have something to fall back on.
In other words, I am in agreement with you that aiming is best done without thinking. But in order for the subconscious to excel it must first be trained properly in practice. Plenty of different ways to do this. I chose CTE.
Nice picture.
Where can I get those balls?
Can you add a line from the CBs to the GB?
Shaka Brah,
Be well.
Nice picture.
Where can I get those balls?
Can you add a line from the CBs to the GB?
Shaka Brah,
Be well.
I found the "balls" online...LOL. I wanted to find a round image without borders and those were the first I found.
I can add lines anywhere I want, but PowerPoint won't do angles perfectly, so you have to live with the limits it provides.
Your charts won't be perfect, but they maybe will get the point across.
I assume your "GB" means "Ghost Ball"?
Here is a chart showing the cue ball as it passes through the object ball from the angle of the bottom cue ball in the first chart.
Aloha.
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I know about Power Point's limitations and how it snaps to it's own grid like in
my example below where "A" doesn't measure the same as the other "A".
But I hope it gets the point across like you say and do it for free.
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Shaka Brah,
Be well
If they knew how this worked they could explain it
Visualization is not required, and few top players would say they visualize the shots. They simply have the ability to allow their sub-conscious to create the angle.
If they knew how this worked they could explain it, however, they are reluctant to.
The reason is when they try to explain it, the conscious takes over and they may play poorly for a few days (or weeks) as a result.
I can show how this works on the table, although it's not possible to describe well enough in writing.
Visualization is not required, and few top players would say they visualize the shots. They simply have the ability to allow their sub-conscious to create the angle.
If they knew how this worked they could explain it, however, they are reluctant to.
The reason is when they try to explain it, the conscious takes over and they may play poorly for a few days (or weeks) as a result.
I can show how this works on the table, although it's not possible to describe well enough in writing.
Information Age the Age of Description
CJ,
I can agree on a portion of what you wrote but not all of it.
The biggest part of what I wont agree with is the whole subconscious thing and here is why.
It's not impossible to understand by a transfer of information what you have learned to do by instinct if you can get as close as possible to it and learn to see what happens with shots, cling, spin and shot pressure.
Most people don't have time in their lives to do nothing but play pool and they want to find a pathway to a higher level of play than they have been obtaining. So for that person who cannot steep themselves in pool 24/7/365 its important to find a pathway that yourself and other professionals had access to simply by playing, playing and playing.
As a person who has played by their subconscious, I know what it felt like to lose it and not be able to control it because you start to analyze it. However, many people like myself who learned to play like that can develop some pretty nasty habits that can actually inhibit their game overall. That is why when I decided to come back to playing in 2005 I made it my business to be able to analyze what I did and why I did so that I could tell people how to find that all elusive place that you suggest cannot be found in writing. I say it can.
I found it and recorded it as best as I had skill sets to do and while I'm sure there are a few things that I could find a way to do better I did it. I did it in a way that meant something to me and I hope that when people get it that it will speak well to them. The first book is the Center Ball portion of it only. Its unique, its descriptive, its clear its user friendly and really no need for technical support. In the next book I am going to unravel a few mysteries no where else in print on the use of English.
A good player like yourself has his methods of application, but I will agree its hard for people who just play by instinct to tell people how they do what they do and be clear about it because as you suggest, you might not play well struggling with it. I think that is true.
I went through that while I was working on my material because I felt it was important to do it. I let my game suffer because I wanted to leave a pathway that those who wanted to could follow. It's something I feel passionately about. Im 53 and I have a lot of years left to enjoy the game and plan to but I wanted to leave behind what I know.
I like yourself am not happy about the state of Pool but times changed and it is what it is. I don't see that we are going to wake up one morning and the BCA, or anyone else is going to open up their arms and all of sudden give a damn about the amateur side of pool. Everything in pool lives or dies on its own these days with little support so if its not right, its going to have a hard time making it.
Don't be so quick to say it cant be described because I'm doing my best and since this is the way I play and my play is getting better all of the time I believe I did something right. You had a chance to look at it if I recall.
CJ,
I can agree on a portion of what you wrote but not all of it.
The biggest part of what I wont agree with is the whole subconscious thing and here is why.
It's not impossible to understand by a transfer of information what you have learned to do by instinct if you can get as close as possible to it and learn to see what happens with shots, cling, spin and shot pressure.
Most people don't have time in their lives to do nothing but play pool and they want to find a pathway to a higher level of play than they have been obtaining. So for that person who cannot steep themselves in pool 24/7/365 its important to find a pathway that yourself and other professionals had access to simply by playing, playing and playing.
As a person who has played by their subconscious, I know what it felt like to lose it and not be able to control it because you start to analyze it. However, many people like myself who learned to play like that can develop some pretty nasty habits that can actually inhibit their game overall. That is why when I decided to come back to playing in 2005 I made it my business to be able to analyze what I did and why I did so that I could tell people how to find that all elusive place that you suggest cannot be found in writing. I say it can.
I found it and recorded it as best as I had skill sets to do and while I'm sure there are a few things that I could find a way to do better I did it. I did it in a way that meant something to me and I hope that when people get it that it will speak well to them. The first book is the Center Ball portion of it only. Its unique, its descriptive, its clear its user friendly and really no need for technical support. In the next book I am going to unravel a few mysteries no where else in print on the use of English.
A good player like yourself has his methods of application, but I will agree its hard for people who just play by instinct to tell people how they do what they do and be clear about it because as you suggest, you might not play well struggling with it. I think that is true.
I went through that while I was working on my material because I felt it was important to do it. I let my game suffer because I wanted to leave a pathway that those who wanted to could follow. It's something I feel passionately about. Im 53 and I have a lot of years left to enjoy the game and plan to but I wanted to leave behind what I know.
I like yourself am not happy about the state of Pool but times changed and it is what it is. I don't see that we are going to wake up one morning and the BCA, or anyone else is going to open up their arms and all of sudden give a damn about the amateur side of pool. Everything in pool lives or dies on its own these days with little support so if its not right, its going to have a hard time making it.
Don't be so quick to say it cant be described because I'm doing my best and since this is the way I play and my play is getting better all of the time I believe I did something right. You had a chance to look at it if I recall.
Unconscious competent--the zone
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