Darren Forfeits Beloit

[2strong4u]

Try working 10am until 1am then back to work at 10am the next day. Thanks.

I play 10 to 14 hours straight all the time. Sunday I played from 1 pm to 5am. Woke up and played from 11:30 until 10 pm. Being tired is just a state of mind, it helps my focus honestly. Tired is part of the job and should not be an excuse. Anytime you go to the loser's side of the bracket it's going to be a grind.

These guys are mostly train wrecks. Does his cell phone not have an alarm feature??

I know Appleton is your boy but you have to see the irony in their referring to themselves as professionals. That term is usually reserved to someone with formal education and training...not guys with hustle and game.

 

[one stroke]

I'm not his spokesperson... I'm just more intelligent than you. Darren, like all of the other players, show up to play a tournament and who bet on him or against him is irrelevant to him. He's not involved in that... he came to win a tournament and he's pretty upset that he let himself down. The only person he needs to apologize to is himself.

Not on your best day , you go beyond clueless ,, don't whine like a little ***** about how bad the Expo has become and then not be man enough to go to the venue where people had money invested in you and apologize for your mishap,., had he done that there would be no problam
You didn't give him on of your pink shirts did you


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[cleary]

I play 10 to 14 hours straight all the time. Sunday I played from 1 pm to 5am. Woke up and played from 11:30 until 10 pm. Being tired is just a state of mind, it helps my focus honestly. Tired is part of the job and should not be an excuse. Anytime you go to the loser's side of the bracket it's going to be a grind.

These guys are mostly train wrecks. Does his cell phone not have an alarm feature??

I know Appleton is your boy but you have to see the irony in their referring to themselves as professionals. That term is usually reserved to someone with formal education and training...not guys with hustle and game.

I would imagine his phone has an alarm feature. So does mine... though I've been known to think I hit snooze when I really turned it off. It happens. I'm sure he's pretty pissed at himself...

 

[jmurphy]

The reason I say that it would be bad to Darren to set a precedent by giving BJ anything (at least publicly) is that it opens the door for anyone that gambles on Darren to ask for some reimbursement if he loses.

IMHO this is comparing Apples to Oranges
There is a MONSTER difference between loosing a match and a forfeit.
If someone gets out played or plays bad and looses it sucks but no big deal we all have are good and bad days. If someone gets sick, goes to the hospital, gets in a car wreck, etc...... that's life "shit happens".
Oversleeping with the availability of "Wake up calls" , Alarm clocks and Cell phones with alarms is just a lack of personal responsibility.
If it were me in that situation I would feel a moral obligation to do what I could to make it right.
First off that would take shape in the form of a sincere apology to the OP for my actions and go from there.

I always had & still have a very high regard and respect for Darren Appleton.
Darren has always been one of the easiest Pros to approach, BS with, and Darren even pulled me aside one day at the Las Vegas Cue Club
had me get a rack of balls and spent 30-40 min. just helping me with my game.
Darren is a class act, I know he feels horrible about what happened and I was shocked to see it.

 

[cleary]

Not on your best day , you go beyond clueless ,, don't whine like a little ***** about how bad the Expo has become and then not be man enough to go to the venue where people had money invested in you and apologize for your mishap,., had he done that there would be no problam
You didn't give him on of your pink shirts did you


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Your command of the English language is remarkable.

 

[Jesters]

I had a 5K bet with my friend that Appleton would win the whole thing. Maybe Appleton should also throw something my way too. What a silly thought. Was Appleton running around the pool room telling people to buy him? Was he screaming "buy me! I can't lose"?
You can either buy him or not. Nobody made the OP buy him and had he won would not have covered Appleton's expenses for the tourney. Having said that was the OP going to cover Appleton's entry fee and hotel if he went 2 and out? The answer to all these questions is NO. Therefore Appleton did F up and lost himself and owes nothing to anyone. I can understand the OP's disappointment and frustration and feel for their situation. I also have a lot of respect for the OP at the way he vented his frustration like a class act.

 

[one stroke]

Your command of the English language is remarkable.

One of your Many ,,,,,there fixed it for ya

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[Dave-Kat]

I wish I could 'get back' all the times in my life that I was irresponsible/unaccountable enough to over sleep :boring2:for something very important. Not only to me, but to others.

But I can't, no one can. It makes for a miserably long F&%king day that ain't easy to sweep under the rug.

Everyone's done it probably more than once or you are a liar.

-Kat

 

[cleary]

One of your Many ,,,,,there fixed it for ya

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[btown]

I feel for you, I really do. It sucks.. but it sucks for him just as much. Darren wanted to win...

End of the day it's terrible planning on the part of the tournament director. Playing til 1am then match at 10am? That's insane. Believe it or not, playing back to back to back all day long is exhausting. Few people take pool as serious as Darren and even he couldn't fade that planning.

That said, buying anyone in a calcutta for that kind of money is downright insane imo. You're really rolling the dice and while I can respect your gamble, it's not the smartest bet no matter who you bought.

I already knew this from this forum but it gets clearyer that you are not a pool player.

I think Darren owed it to the tournament director and owner of the place, and also to the guy that bought him in the calcutta to show up and show a little remorse.

To think he owes nobody anything and it's bad gambling to put your money in a tournament is an amazingly stupid way to look at it.

Darren seems like a good guy and I personally have always liked him, but there is certain ways you should handle certain things, and i dont think he handled this one right if he didn't even show up afterwards.

 

[terryhanna]

After reading this whole thread i think some very good points were made and the OP seems like a great guy and i agree with almost every thing he has said.
It is a very unfortunate situation for all involved the fans,the streamer,the calcutta,and Darren.
But i think the one thing that i think caused this to happen and nobody mentioned is the match Darren played with Jesse Bowman that lasted till almost 1am and went hill hill the night before.
Both players played their heart out Darren had a big lead on Jesse almost the entire
match and when Darren got to about a 12 to 8 game lead Jesse hit Darren with a barrage of break and runs he starting running out from everywhere it was one hell of a display some of the best pool i have ever seen and he took the lead 14-12 it looked like it was all over for Darren.
After Jesse broke Dry on the hill Darren proved why he is a true world champion he ran that rack and then he broke and ran the last two racks with two of the most incredible outs i have ever seen to close out the match.
Jesse played fantastic and Darren still won wow what a great match.
I think Darren put so much heart and the will to win into this match that it had to
be a complete drain emotionally and physically on him.
I am sure it took a while to get to the room and get to sleep after that no wonder he over slept his 10am match.
I think the OP had a great horse here and in the end it might have been his greatness
that caused him to have to forfeit.

 

[Matt]

IMHO this is comparing Apples to Oranges
There is a MONSTER difference between loosing a match and a forfeit.
If someone gets out played or plays bad and looses it sucks but no big deal we all have are good and bad days. If someone gets sick, goes to the hospital, gets in a car wreck, etc...... that's life "shit happens".
Oversleeping with the availability of "Wake up calls" , Alarm clocks and Cell phones with alarms is just a lack of personal responsibility.
If it were me in that situation I would feel a moral obligation to do what I could to make it right.

True, losing and forfeiting aren't the same thing, but they are all part of a continuum of reasons that he might not win, and I just said that if he were to pay off one person it opens the door to other people asking from some form of compensation if they lose money betting on Darren. Just having to explain to each person why they don't qualify for the same treatment every time would become an ordeal.

 

[JE54]

Haven't seen it anywhere, might have missed it.
Did he go back to the Carom Room at all after not showing up for the match ?

 

[cleary]

I already knew this from this forum but it gets clearyer that you are not a pool player. To think he owes nobody anything and it's bad gambling to put your money in a tournament is an amazingly stupid way to look at it.

You're right, I don't play this game for a living (thank god).

Darren doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING! He played in a tournament and had no involvement in the calcutta. The side betting has nothing to do with him. How do you not understand this? If I bet on a sports team to win the championship and their best player gets suspended for beating their wife, do they cover my bet? No... I made the bet and that's one of the risks of gambling.

I didn't say it's "bad gambling to put your money in a tournament"? I said it's a bad bet to pay $5k for someone in a calcutta. Too many things can happen. If $5k is pocket change, have it at... but betting big money in a calcutta IMO is way to risky and not a smart bet.

 

[watchez]

Darren owes nothing to anybody here. He made a mistake and I'm sure he's upset with himself. When you buy someone in the Calcutta, certain risks come with the territory and one of them is that the player won't show up to a match.

There are some tourneys/tours that if a player forfeits they are barred from that event or another event on the tour until they repay the calcutta bid.

 

[cleary]

There are some tourneys/tours that if a player forfeits they are barred from that event or another event on the tour until they repay the calcutta bid.

Which is the problem with having calcuttas. If you want to gamble on a player, help yourself but they don't and shouldn't care about you and your bet.

Maybe next time he will go for $35...

 

[btown]

You're right, I don't play this game for a living (thank god).

Darren doesn't owe anyone ANYTHING! He played in a tournament and had no involvement in the calcutta. The side betting has nothing to do with him. How do you not understand this? If I bet on a sports team to win the championship and their best player gets suspended for beating their wife, do they cover my bet? No... I made the bet and that's one of the risks of gambling.

I didn't say it's "bad gambling to put your money in a tournament"? I said it's a bad bet to pay $5k for someone in a calcutta. Too many things can happen. If $5k is pocket change, have it at... but betting big money in a calcutta IMO is way to risky and not a smart bet.

I had it typed out and backspaced lets not compare this to sports betting because it is entirely different. I don't really think you have been around the calcutta seen im guessing but in the calcutta tournament world you do owe it to "your buyer" to show up, and if you dont show up you better have a damn good reason and have a little remorse. Otherwise you will likely be banned from that tournament aswell as losing your match

Do you think he would owe anybody anything if he didnt over sleep and just said F' it? I think so.

 

[watchez]

Which is the problem with having calcuttas. If you want to gamble on a player, help yourself but they don't and shouldn't care about you and your bet.

Maybe next time he will go for $35...

My only point against this is that pool rooms that add money to events make more money off the spectators than they do off of the players in food sales and drinks. Also, if the room is taking 10% of the calcutta, which many places do, that is another way they are recouping the added money or paying for a TD. And it is the same spectators that are the majority of the calcutta bidders. So maybe the player doesn't directly 'owe' anything to the bidder but in some fashion the player is benefitting from them being there.

 

[JAM]

Which is the problem with having calcuttas. If you want to gamble on a player, help yourself but they don't and shouldn't care about you and your bet.

Maybe next time he will go for $35...

Generally speaking, calcuttas are a way for the pool sweaters, railbirds, attendees, whatever you want to call them, to be a part of the action.

A pool competitor, in my opinion, does not owe anything to a calcutta process. He does, however, owe something to the tournament itself.

Forfeiting happens. It's an unfortunate situation, but in order to be fair, it is a rule that should be applied to all competitors in the tournament. Some pool super stars who shall go unnamed seem to be exempt from the almighty forfeit. I'm not glad that Darren got forfeited, but I am glad to see the rule was applied, the way it should be, with no favoritism.

With that said, this tournament should have never had matches going until 1 a.m. and expect the competitor to show up at 10 a.m. for their match the next day. That is poor planning. I've been to many tournaments just like this. Usually, it is the pool room owner wanting to get the tournament over with because he's losing table time. I get that. He's already losing money hosting the tournament, most likely, and hopes to make it up in drinks and food. I'm not sure.

I have never in my life seen a bunch of people rip somebody apart like this for accidentally sleeping late. It is quite obvious Darren didn't do it deliberately, but on AzBilliards, Darren is a real bad guy. Let's continue to rip him a new one. Only on AzBilliards.

 

[cardiac kid]

Which is the problem with having calcuttas. If you want to gamble on a player, help yourself but they don't and shouldn't care about you and your bet.

Maybe next time he will go for $35...

Andrew,

I'll place that first $35 bid!!!

Lyn