WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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Care to pick one that is the proper explanation? Many of them contradict others.:wink:
Oh, your first shot in that video was nothing more than a drag-draw shot. Second was just some draw.
I think we are on the same page.
There are a number of topics that are incendiary here on AZB because of different styles of play that some just seem to be totally unfamiliar.
One's man's "pearl of great worth" is seen as junk to another man.
What's the popular saying on here? They don't know what they don't know.
Best,
Rick
I'm not claiming to be right or wrong with this description of "pinning" as it was told to me 30 years ago...I'm just relating what was told to me. As far as what it looks like, I always thought Tony Drago pinned 'em pretty good; although he one strokes it fast and firm and it's kind of hard to tell. But it looks pretty clean as far as my eyes and ears can tell.
Most people don't need a diagram to understand this simple concept, but here you go. The arrows point to center ball on the CB.
Notice that the CB's center changes 90 degrees because that's how much the cue angle changes. If the cue angle changes less, then so does the CB's center, but the principle is the same.
pj
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I don't know what you mean about "celebrity knowledge", but I know what works for me. There are NO celebrities in pool that I'm aware of...there are just pool players...some are better than others. I don't need any celebrities to follow...they don't awe me. Unless you are continually running packages, I'm not overly impressed with you, no matter who you are.
I learn something new every time I play, but I have an open mind and am willing to try things. I use what works for me and store the other stuff in my brain if I think it may become useful at some later time. If I think something is complete BS after trying it for a while, I go on to something else.
I am 61 years old, have quit pool for many years on multiple occasions, am almost blind, and have lost feeling in my right (shooting) arm, but I know how to make a ball or two on occasion. I only play a few hours each Sunday, but I can still hang with the "big dogs" sometimes.
Yesterday I played a 10-ball race to 7 with the number one rated player in the state of Hawaii (he is rated whatever the highest rating is in Hawaiian Brian's tournaments - he was rated AAA or AAAA just a couple weeks ago). He just got back this last weekend from Vegas where he placed 17th in the 9-ball singles in the national APA tournament.
I can't even remember the last time I played 10-ball (over a couple decades) and when he asked to play I chose 10-ball to make it a bit tougher than 9-ball, which is what I always bang around at. He usually spots everyone and he had just finished a set where he was spotting a guy the last two and he won. I told him I don't believe in spots and had rather play heads up.
I actually got into an early lead of 3-0 and then I got up to 6 before he got to 5. He eventually won 7-6, but I was glad to keep it somewhat even with a guy who plays almost every day, is rated #1, and who is more than 30 years younger than me.
When I play, I know what to do, and have done it thousands of times before...it is a matter of just keeping in focus and DOING IT (way easier said than done). The older you get, the harder it is to focus I think.
What CJ is saying is something I learned before CJ ever started playing pool and I happen to understand and agree with him. If it doesn't resonate with you, then keep trying things until you find something that works.
I don't come here to argue things, debate things, or to say "my way works and yours doesn't". I just tell people what I think and what works for me.
Aloha.
I learn something new every time I play, but I have an open mind and am willing to try things. I use what works for me and store the other stuff in my brain if I think it may become useful at some later time. If I think something is complete BS after trying it for a while, I go on to something else.
I am 61 years old, have quit pool for many years on multiple occasions, am almost blind, and have lost feeling in my right (shooting) arm, but I know how to make a ball or two on occasion. I only play a few hours each Sunday, but I can still hang with the "big dogs" sometimes.
Yesterday I played a 10-ball race to 7 with the number one rated player in the state of Hawaii (he is rated whatever the highest rating is in Hawaiian Brian's tournaments - he was rated AAA or AAAA just a couple weeks ago). He just got back this last weekend from Vegas where he placed 17th in the 9-ball singles in the national APA tournament.
I can't even remember the last time I played 10-ball (over a couple decades) and when he asked to play I chose 10-ball to make it a bit tougher than 9-ball, which is what I always bang around at. He usually spots everyone and he had just finished a set where he was spotting a guy the last two and he won. I told him I don't believe in spots and had rather play heads up.
I actually got into an early lead of 3-0 and then I got up to 6 before he got to 5. He eventually won 7-6, but I was glad to keep it somewhat even with a guy who plays almost every day, is rated #1, and who is more than 30 years younger than me.
When I play, I know what to do, and have done it thousands of times before...it is a matter of just keeping in focus and DOING IT (way easier said than done). The older you get, the harder it is to focus I think.
What CJ is saying is something I learned before CJ ever started playing pool and I happen to understand and agree with him. If it doesn't resonate with you, then keep trying things until you find something that works.
I don't come here to argue things, debate things, or to say "my way works and yours doesn't". I just tell people what I think and what works for me.
Aloha.
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I'm seeing a straight cue not an angled cue. Shooting across the vision line is my interpretation of an angled cue.
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The CB's center is determined from a vision line parallel with the cue (as shown in the diagram). The miscue limit, and how much spin you're applying, is also determined this way.
I know you won't understand this; others will.
pj
chgo
I understand it. I just don't play that way.
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It's not a way to play; it's how to understand what center ball is. That doesn't change no matter how you play.
Here's another one to illustrate what you're saying. The top picture shows how you'd see things if you angled the cue across your line of vision. It looks from that position as if the tip is at center ball on the CB, but it's not.
The bottom picture is the view if you moved over so the "angled" cue is parallel with your line of vision. The CB's "effective center" can be seen from there. (You can also see that you're hitting the CB at its miscue limit - halfway from center to edge).
With the cue angled that way the CB's center is the same no matter where you stand - the CB doesn't "know" where you're standing or how things look to you; it only "knows" from what angle you're hitting it.
pj
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SP99..You are on the right track..Disregard most of the 'aiming system' sales BS on here, and learn to use, and apply what works best, for YOU !..You will be much, much, much better off.
(TOI is great..once every 50 shots when you may actually need it !)
PS..I've had all the fun I can stand today.....Its cocktail time !
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I claim fame to the phrase
You don't know what you don't know until you know it.
Sincerely:SS
You're playing games with 'smoke & mirrors' looking at it from a totally foreign perspective.
The words used in discussion & conversation are in reference to relative points & perspectives.
The tip can be hitting dead center in line with the stroke but if you stop & take a pic at contact from on an angle it will appear that the tip is not on center.
Einstein' theory of relativity. Why are you playing games?
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Hi Michael,
Well... I wish you would not have coined it because it is too often used inappropriately by others.
Best 2 You & Yours...& All,
Rick
I thought Danny D. coined it.
I like Donald Rumsfeld's quote:
Now what is the message there? The message is that there are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year, we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns. It sounds like a riddle. It isn't a riddle. It is a very serious, important matter. There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something exists does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist.
it's about technique, after all you're hitting a 6 ounce ball
It's a huge advantage if you want to move the cue ball with ease on shots your opponent struggles with (this also boosts your confidence and deflates his).
Notice, none of the ones that can't relate to what I'm talking about play competitively (is this merely a coincidence?). I can give many good shortstops incredible handicaps because of how I contact the cue ball.....think about it, isn't that the entire game, how would I be able to do this if I were doing it "like everyone else"?
I'm willing to share the secret and already am, for those that are willing to learn. There's more, however, it's challenging to explain without visual assistance.....when I get some time I may put together a You Tube video, although it's tough now with my business obligations, training, and lesson schedule.
Champion players can do {seemingly} amazing things with the cue ball when it comes to precision, speed and accuracy because of their stroke. It's not about power, it's about technique, after all you're hitting a 6 ounce ball with a 19+ ounce cue.
It's a huge advantage if you want to move the cue ball with ease on shots your opponent struggles with (this also boosts your confidence and deflates his).
Notice, none of the ones that can't relate to what I'm talking about play competitively (is this merely a coincidence?). I can give many good shortstops incredible handicaps because of how I contact the cue ball.....think about it, isn't that the entire game, how would I be able to do this if I were doing it "like everyone else"?
I'm willing to share the secret and already am, for those that are willing to learn. There's more, however, it's challenging to explain without visual assistance.....when I get some time I may put together a You Tube video, although it's tough now with my business obligations, training, and lesson schedule.
Champion players can do {seemingly} amazing things with the cue ball when it comes to precision, speed and accuracy because of their stroke. It's not about power, it's about technique, after all you're hitting a 6 ounce ball with a 19+ ounce cue.